I'm VERY concerned about buying this phone now. T-Mobile have only listed LTE bands 4 & 17 on their site.
International
Quad Band GSM; LTE: 4, 17; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850)
What in the eff?
Des just answererd this question on Twitter: https://twitter.com/askdes/status/581568102015569920
It has:
GSM - 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS - B1/B2/B4/B5
LTE - B2/B4/B12/B17 with CA + B3/B7 roaming
This is the perfect T-Mobile phone.
So the T-Mobile version does not have 1700, and is therefore identical to the other models? Do we know if it includes wifi-calling, or if we would be able to flash the T-Mobile ROM onto the unlocked dev version?
malakai1911 said:
Des just answererd this question on Twitter: https://twitter.com/askdes/status/581568102015569920
It has:
GSM - 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS - B1/B2/B4/B5
LTE - B2/B4/B12/B17 with CA + B3/B7 roaming
This is the perfect T-Mobile phone.
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But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
pongalong said:
So the T-Mobile version does not have 1700, and is therefore identical to the other models? Do we know if it includes wifi-calling, or if we would be able to flash the T-Mobile ROM onto the unlocked dev version?
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It does have 1700! That's Band 4, and for both LTE and HSPA.
The T-Mobile version also supports WiFi calling and texting. I have no idea if the T-Mobile firmware can be flashed to the unlocked version, but I don't see why it wouldn't be feasible.
ohiosux said:
But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
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T-Mobile (Des) confirmed: 2, 3, 4, 7, 12, and 17
AT&T lists: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, and 29 (adds +5 and +29)
HTC Dev & Unlocked versions (per HTC on Twitter): 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 29, 30 (adds +5, +13, +29, +30)
Maybe the T-Mo phone supports more that could be unlocked, who knows. The extra bands aren't useful to me.
Sorry, but I just want to clarify.
Do all versions of this phone support BAND IV UMTS or not?
ohiosux said:
But doesn't the AT&T, Unlocked, or Dev model include all of those bands and then some?
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HTC has done this on the past couple of phones. Only the T-Mobile phone will do their specific bands (HSPA+). On past models I don't recall anyone getting the ATT/DEV models to work with those T-Mobile bands. I don't believe we ever found out why. Some speculated it was due to cost to license all the bands, or that it is actually different hardware. The M7 and M8 were both like that.
If you are on T-Mobile, I'd get the model specifically for them.
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HTC has done this on the past couple of phones. Only the T-Mobile phone will do their specific bands (HSPA+). On past models I don't recall anyone getting the ATT/DEV models to work with those T-Mobile bands. I don't believe we ever found out why. Some speculated it was due to cost to license all the bands, or that it is actually different hardware. The M7 and M8 were both like that.
If you are on T-Mobile, I'd get the model specifically for them.
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Oh yeah I remember my Dev version being like that. Fortunately, I live in an area that has been upgraded to mostly lte. This was actually beneficial for me and maybe others in the same situation because it actually saves battery life when the phone isn't constantly switching between edge, 3g/+, and lte. I'm sure many others have been in an area that's barely out of lte but still within h+ range and it's still slow as edge or even slower.
Teo032 said:
Oh yeah I remember my Dev version being like that. Fortunately, I live in an area that has been upgraded to mostly lte. This was actually beneficial for me and maybe others in the same situation because it actually saves battery life when the phone isn't constantly switching between edge, 3g/+, and lte. I'm sure many others have been in an area that's barely out of lte but still within h+ range and it's still slow as edge or even slower.
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Yes, it is OK if you live in a major area that has lots of LTE. Here just north of LA, I get into the other bands pretty frequently.
I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
maddie01 said:
I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
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The AT&T M9 I bought does.
maddie01 said:
I am not sure this was answered? Do all versions of the HTC one m 9 support band 4 UMTS? Many ATT carrier unlocked models are for sale and no one seems to know if they will pick up the UMTS 1700 band 4 on T- Mo?
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They will not pick up the T-Mobile specific bands, which use 1900/2100 for 41bps speed. They will work with the T-Mobile LTE band.
Wow, still a mystery. I have the AT&T SIM Unlocked One M9 and I have a TMobile prepaid SIM and get Edge, 3G, 4G, LTE Band 2,4,12...I cannot find an app that shows the actual WCDMA (4G) Bands ? But, it notates 42 MBPS when it says HSPA+ 4G using Network Signal Info-Pro App..and also shows 384 Kbps when it says 3G....
So, seems Des is correct unless the Network Signal Info Pro app is wrong?
I turned off everything except WCDMA, and this is what I get being reported by LTE Discovery. HSPA+ @ -113. I have a ATT unlocked M9. I do have the T-Mobile 2.11.531.19 firmware installed as well as the T-Mobile rom.
Using XDA to unleash the power of Android on my HTC One M9
Thanks but as I mentioned I cannot find an App that shows the WCDMA Bands to confirm. As you can see even LTE Discovery says N/A for DL and UL Freq...when on WCDMA...
The only App I can see that helps is Network Signal Info Pro...and unfortunately it is limited and shows me the below in my market;
HSPA+ 42.2 MBPS
HSDPA 7.2 MBPS
UMTS 386 KBPS
But, does not indicate which Band or Frequency ?
Anyone know of an App or Command that will show WCDMA Bands???
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The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
It still won't have the 1700 band.
ytwytw said:
The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
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This has been discussed to death. The official HTC Asia page says the AT&T phone (by name) doesn't support AWS for HSPA. The LTE radio does but it won't work for HSPA. Do you have a link to share where someone has shown a Speed Test getting HSPA/HSPA+ speeds on T-Mobile U.S. with either a Rogers or AT&T One X? Until someone posts that this isn't confirmed and based on the published specs it probably won't be.
From HTC Asia:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
From the Rogers site:
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900
HSPA Bands: 850/1900/2100
LTE Bands: 700/1700/2100
From the AT&T site:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G/UMTS - 850/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE - Band 4 and 17
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/htconex-rogers#tech-specs
Network
LTE CAT3 - DL 100 /UL 50
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
Clearly says AWS/2100 is on the list, also 850/1900
I'm getting it this coming weekend, so I will try
And some ppl on the XL forum says Rogers has 1700 hspa clearly written on the box,
It could be a software lockdown, Same as i717...
EDIT: Just saying on Rogers site, Nokia Lumia 7100 doesnt have 1700 listed on there either, but after unlocking, it works perfectly on Wind, so idk
HSPA might work base on spec
If you look at the Samsung Galaxy Nexus's spec, the 1700/2100 HSDPA is listed as "3G". I am using the international version with T-mobile and I am getting around 7mbps. This is definitely faster than 3G speed. Looking at the spec for one x, HSDPA 1700/2100 is listed as 3G also just like the Galaxy Nexus. Wouldn't this mean it would work with T-Mobile's so called "4G" HSPA?
ytwytw said:
The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
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The bands supported by the device has **nothing whatsoever** to do with the Tegra SoC, since the vendor uses a discreet modem with the Tegra 3 version of the One X anyway.
ytwytw said:
Same as i717...
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If this is true, than the weak signal strength and heavier battery drain are likely to occur just like they did on the G-Note. It'll be interesting to see how (and if) the One XL performs.
AT&T vs International bands
According GSM arena the AT&T version will support 3G 1700/2100 which is what Tmobile uses for its H+ network...so if you unlock the at&t version, it should be able to run on Tmo's "4G" right out the box without any needs to flash radios or what not right?
Here's the link to a comparison: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4614&idPhone2=4320
Is it possible to flash a t-Mobile modem or tweek the one x to get faster speeds
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Hello friend, I too am interested in getting the One X (international 32 Gig version preferred) but would consider AT&T's version. I was able to click around AT&T's website and I could not find where it actually stated 1700/2100 AWS however, it does say this:
"4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ (with enhanced backhaul) or LTE, where available" "4G LTE Band 4 and 17" -
And this:
"3G - UMTS850/1900/2100 MHz"
Link to AT&T's site:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_sku=sku5980268#fbid=n77DzSAk3I2
T Mobile has confirmed the reframing/refarming of 1900 from 2g to 3g but stated it was slow process (slower than Edge? lol).
Really want the One X...
atvxda said:
Hello friend, I too am interested in getting the One X (international 32 Gig version preferred) but would consider AT&T's version. I was able to click around AT&T's website and I could not find where it actually stated 1700/2100 AWS however, it does say this:
"4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ (with enhanced backhaul) or LTE, where available" "4G LTE Band 4 and 17" -
And this:
"3G - UMTS850/1900/2100 MHz"
Link to AT&T's site:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_sku=sku5980268#fbid=n77DzSAk3I2
T Mobile has confirmed the reframing/refarming of 1900 from 2g to 3g but stated it was slow process (slower than Edge? lol).
Really want the One X...
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Take the example of Lumia 710
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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It doesn't work, at least out of the box, on the XL. It uses a different radio though so the international version could behave differently.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
ytwytw said:
Take the example of Lumia 710
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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Great info. As a T MoUSA customer, I will be periodically checking out Wind's site for phones, lol.
I guess I'll keep checking XDA to determine which One X I'll be buying in the next couple of weeks...
atvxda said:
Great info. As a T MoUSA customer, I will be periodically checking out Wind's site for phones, lol.
I guess I'll keep checking XDA to determine which One X I'll be buying in the next couple of weeks...
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This...
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
Confirms this isn't true...
ytwytw said:
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
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There's a thread on the One XL forum you can follow. They're trying to come up with some sort of hack to try and make it work.
BarryH_GEG said:
This...
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
Confirms this isn't true...
There's a thread on the One XL forum you can follow. They're trying to come up with some sort of hack to try and make it work.
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http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14791010#post14791010
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610323&page=3
Confirmed, it's true,
HTC says YES to AWS (Wcdma/HspA)
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Confirmed, it's true,
HTC says YES to AWS (Wcdma/HspA)
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You have to be clear though. Out of the box, neither phone is going to get 3G data on an AWS carrier (T-Mobile, Wind). If you guys come up with a hack, people are going to have to root their phones and flash a new radio. A lot of people will be fine with it, some, especially novices, won't. And the hack for the G-Note gets the job done but you lose some signal and battery life in the process. Until it's running on someone's XL (and well) it's a little early to claim victory. I hope it works out for you guys.
T-Mobile AWS needs 1700 AND 2100 bands. It won't work with only one, so if you don't have both, you don't have T-Mobile 3G.
Not only that, if it comes down to simply being a radio flash you NEED S-OFF to flash a radio. An RUU won't work because there is no version of the X that supports T-Mobile frequencies.
I was today That by this summer in my area the iPhone will be able to get 3g and hopefully it's the bands we to make it work on the one x
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The iPhone has the same network bands as of the one x. Now we wait on TMO to update.
hopefully t-mobile gets this done by july. I'll be out of Army Basic training and will have money to spend on a International HTC One X beast lol... I currently have AT&T now. I was converted to a Radioshack AT&T employee plan a few months ago which changed my data plan from 2GB to Unlimited data which was freakin amazing even tho i only used between 1.5GB - 3GB of Data. Since i quit Radioshack bcuz im about to ship to boot camp, they gotta convert it back to a consumer plan (3GB data plan :-/) Idk what to do. If i come back from boot camp and ppl report that the AWS refarming rollout is actively in progress, im ditching AT&T and coming back to T-Mobile with a Tegra 3 One X. ( 6Mbits/sec is lightning fast enough for me to support playing Call of Duty on Xbox Live anyway. Ive done it on a T-Mobile Vibrant before.
Lantek23 said:
I was today That by this summer in my area the iPhone will be able to get 3g and hopefully it's the bands we to make it work on the one x
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The iPhone has the same network bands as of the one x. Now we wait on TMO to update.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this one, ill be keeping it no matter what but it will be a lot easier if it had some speed away from WiFi. Where did you get the info on the iPhone being able to get 3g? I'd like to find some info on my area,Tucson AZ.
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Will the factory unlocked M8 support everything radio wise that the T-Mobile M8 will? I'm currently able to get one considerably cheaper than a T-Mobile one and just wanted to be sure.
I believe the unlocked is missing the 1700 band that hspa+ runs on. If you're in a reframed 1900 band area then you're okay. Otherwise you lose hspa+
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VolcanicSkunk said:
I believe the unlocked is missing the 1700 band that hspa+ runs on. If you're in a reframed 1900 band area then you're okay. Otherwise you lose hspa+
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Is the dev edition missing this band?
Sonic2756 said:
Is the dev edition missing this band?
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Google Play Edition, and the T-Mobile version are the only ones that support AWS on HSPA+
Tidbits said:
Google Play Edition, and the T-Mobile version are the only ones that support AWS on HSPA+
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Since we have supercid we can flash the radio and get it too.
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charlieb620 said:
Since we have supercid we can flash the radio and get it too.
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Could you test this and tell me the results?
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Sonic2756 said:
Could you test this and tell me the results?
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It will work if you supercid you phone. we don't have tmobile radio yet, I'm using att m8 on tmobile service without any problem but will flash tmobile radio when available.
Sonic2756 said:
Will the factory unlocked M8 support everything radio wise that the T-Mobile M8 will? I'm currently able to get one considerably cheaper than a T-Mobile one and just wanted to be sure.
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Which factory unlocked version? There’s EMEA and Asia:
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - WCDMA:
EMEA: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
4G - LTE:
EMEA: 800/900/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 700/900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
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Source: M8 spec page
If you’re looking at the Dev edition:
3G: 850/1900/2100 MHz HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
4G: 700/850/1700/1900 MHz
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Sources: M8 Dev Edition Spec Page
List of LTE Networks
T-Mobile’s current spectrum:
3G: 850/AWS (850 is currently part of a roaming agreement with AT&T, AWS is 42 Mbps HSPA+)
4G: 700/1900/AWS (1900 currently being re-farmed)
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Source: T-Mobile US
Neither of the unlocked or Dev M8s will give you HSPA on AWS, so you’d have to be in an 850 MHz area. If you got the Dev edition, you’d be limited to 21 Mbps.
For LTE, the unlocked EMEA version won’t work at all and the Asia version will only work in areas where T-Mobile is transmitting on 700 MHz. The Dev edition will at least give you 700 and 1900 MHz, but I think T-Mobile currently has most of their LTE on AWS.
I've been around for several years now, but still very much uneducated about the radios and bands supported.
I have the GSM Dev edition. By reading the info in the last few posts about what bands/etc are supported and what speeds (HSPA, AWS, 4G, LTE) does this mean the Dev version is physically incapable of getting 100% service (edge, aws,...their whole network) on T-Mobile because of a lack of an actual component inside the phone? Or is it not "supported" because the firmware ( I.e....the radio software) is not included?
I guess my next logical question would be since I'm unlocked, s-off and superCID, would it be possible to turn my phone into a virtually identical T-Mobile phone? Or is T-Mobile's version of the M8 not even going to fully work on their network... Areas that haven't been refarmed yet.
carlz28 said:
I've been around for several years now, but still very much uneducated about the radios and bands supported.
I have the GSM Dev edition. By reading the info in the last few posts about what bands/etc are supported and what speeds (HSPA, AWS, 4G, LTE) does this mean the Dev version is physically incapable of getting 100% service (edge, aws,...their whole network) on T-Mobile because of a lack of an actual component inside the phone? Or is it not "supported" because the firmware ( I.e....the radio software) is not included?
I guess my next logical question would be since I'm unlocked, s-off and superCID, would it be possible to turn my phone into a virtually identical T-Mobile phone? Or is T-Mobile's version of the M8 not even going to fully work on their network... Areas that haven't been refarmed yet.
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I'm wondering this as well
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carlz28 said:
I've been around for several years now, but still very much uneducated about the radios and bands supported.
I have the GSM Dev edition. By reading the info in the last few posts about what bands/etc are supported and what speeds (HSPA, AWS, 4G, LTE) does this mean the Dev version is physically incapable of getting 100% service (edge, aws,...their whole network) on T-Mobile because of a lack of an actual component inside the phone? Or is it not "supported" because the firmware ( I.e....the radio software) is not included?
I guess my next logical question would be since I'm unlocked, s-off and superCID, would it be possible to turn my phone into a virtually identical T-Mobile phone? Or is T-Mobile's version of the M8 not even going to fully work on their network... Areas that haven't been refarmed yet.
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jonathan413 said:
I'm wondering this as well
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This is what my post above was addressing.
The Dev edition is physically incapable of getting 100% service in all of T-Mobile's markets due to lack of hardware, yes. Therefore, it is impossible to turn it into an identical phone from the standpoint of radio compatibility.
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subhumanderelict said:
This is what my post above was addressing.
The Dev edition is physically incapable of getting 100% service in all of T-Mobile's markets due to lack of hardware, yes. Therefore, it is impossible to turn it into an identical phone from the standpoint of radio compatibility.
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Is this the same for the Carrier unlocked and Verizon variant?
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Sonic2756 said:
Is this the same for the Carrier unlocked and Verizon variant?
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The Verizon version is a little different than the T-Mobile version. The Verizon M8 is a little more limited with its 3G/HSPA since it only goes up to 14.4 Mbps vs. 42 Mbps with the two unlocked versions and the T-Mobile version. It has more LTE bands than the T-Mobile version, but at least one person on the Verizon board is having problems connecting to LTE on his Verizon M8 abroad.
Just in case you were referring to the Dev edition when you said “carrier unlocked,” those are different as well. I wouldn’t recommend using anything but the Verizon M8 on Verizon’s network since only the Verizon and Sprint models have CDMA radios and Sprint’s model doesn’t have the LTE radio to use Verizon’s LTE network (or vice-versa).
3G
EMEA: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Dev: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
Verizon: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
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4G
EMEA: 800/900/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 700/900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
Dev: 700/850/1700/1900 MHz
Verizon: 700/AWS/1800/2600 MHz
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makomek said:
It will work if you supercid you phone. we don't have tmobile radio yet, I'm using att m8 on tmobile service without any problem but will flash tmobile radio when available.
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Are you able to connect to all T-Mobile bands? I want to pickup a used m8 but the T-Mobile variant is $100 more expensive than all the other carrier's versions. Does anyone know if I could pickup a used AT&T/Sprint/Verizon m8 and use it on T-Mobile without sacrificing frequency bands or anything?
Hi,
I know this is a really old thread, but I recently switched over from At&t to T-Mobile and similar questions about radios etc. Doing some internet searches I found Tom's Hardware review of the HTC One M8 (sorry don't have time to find the link), but according to the review the At&t and the US GPE version are the same version. Furthermore, both phones can fully support the AWS band for T-Mobile, however, At&t elected to lock the AWS band for the HSPA+ to refrain customers from unlocking and switching.
I was getting spotty service around my house, and just installed the T-Mobile radio and ROM on to my At&t M8. I will report on the performance once I have some time with the new set up.
dhaliwal925 said:
Hi,
I know this is a really old thread, but I recently switched over from At&t to T-Mobile and similar questions about radios etc. Doing some internet searches I found Tom's Hardware review of the HTC One M8 (sorry don't have time to find the link), but according to the review the At&t and the US GPE version are the same version. Furthermore, both phones can fully support the AWS band for T-Mobile, however, At&t elected to lock the AWS band for the HSPA+ to refrain customers from unlocking and switching.
I was getting spotty service around my house, and just installed the T-Mobile radio and ROM on to my At&t M8. I will report on the performance once I have some time with the new set up.
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How is this working for you? I have a vzw m8 and I'm over on T-Mobile, now mostly everything works,except for 4glte, it will work and then cut off after a bit, or if I travel between towers I loose connection and it won't try to find another tower, band or any other... So I get most out of this, just not all. And I was wondering which radio I used... Last time I tried a T-Mobile radio, I lost all connectivity. Btw I'm soff and supCID
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Haha I know the pains of using a vzw device on gsm networks I had a LG g2 Verizon wireless and ran it on t-mobile I had to sell it had to reboot the radio about twice a week as well as take out SIM card
Helpful article
I found http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review very helpful to understanding the M8 radios.
Hey my phone is doing great! I even managed to pick up some better HSPA+ around the house - although I can't confirm if it is on the AWS band.
In terms of flashing the radio on the Verizon M8, I am highly doubtful that it will produce any valuable results. The CDMA version of HTC's always differs significantly from their GSM counterparts. If you look at the supported bands for the Verizon M8, there is no support for the T-Mobile UTMS AWS band - which is probably why you are dropping signal while switching towers.
Considering selling my at&t note 4 when my pre-order is filled and buying a T-Mobile version to use on at&t.
Any reception issues?
No issues for me at all. Get great service everywhere, including lte
I was planning on doing so, but I noticed the T-Mobile variant is missing of the LTE Bands that the AT&T one has. Not sure if that will create any problems down the road. Any thoughts on if that matters?
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ARHMogul said:
I was planning on doing so, but I noticed the T-Mobile variant is missing of the LTE Bands that the AT&T one has. Not sure if that will create any problems down the road. Any thoughts on if that matters?
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ATT is not using those 2 bands in the US. (20 and 29 lte) It might be for international use in which case I'd rather have the tmobile ones. Anyway, according to Wikipedia they don't even own spectrum in one of those bands so deployment is years off even if they decide to do it. Plus the note 4 would have to go through the FCC again because it wasn't approved to run on those bands in the USA. Those extra bands are not anything to be worried about.
EDIT: Ok, I found some more info. There are no deployments of band 29 in the US yet. Band 29 is downlink only and is used with band 4. This will be AT&T's LTE advanced setup.
Thanks for the info! Time to go to TMobile and get me an unlocked Note 4.. Will they unlock them for you right in the store or no?
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ATT is not using those 2 bands in the US. (20 and 29 lte) It might be for international use in which case I'd rather have the tmobile ones. Anyway, according to Wikipedia they don't even own spectrum in one of those bands so deployment is years off even if they decide to do it. Plus the note 4 would have to go through the FCC again because it wasn't approved to run on those bands in the USA. Those extra bands are not anything to be worried about.
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band 29 is for LTE-Advance
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band 29 is for LTE-Advance
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Ya, been reading up on it. I still think it will be a while before it gets deployed and probably if you're not in a big city you'll have to wait longer like the wait for LTE.
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Thanks for the info! Time to go to TMobile and get me an unlocked Note 4.. Will they unlock them for you right in the store or no?
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No you need to use cellunlocker.net or a similar service.
Thanks for everyone's help. I'm trying to find this information on the Internet, but some of it is like Greek to me.
What bands does att use in US?
What bands does the T-Mobile note 4 handle?
What bands will not be possible on the T-Mobile note 4? Bands 20+29?
Sorry for the questions, just trying to learn and you guys seem like you know your stuff.
ATT Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced)
Tmobile uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: Band 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
Tmobile Note 4 does not support band 29 but imo it's a small price to pay for an unlocked bootloader. Plus, there are no deployments of ATT's LTE-Advanced network (Band 29/4) in the US yet and depending on where you live it could take years to reach you.
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ATT Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced; Not deployed yet in 2014)
Tmobile uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
Tmobile Note 4 does not support band 29 but imo it's a small price to pay for an unlocked bootloader. Plus, there are no deployments of ATT's LTE-Advanced network (Band 29/4) in the US yet and depending on where you live it could take years to reach you.
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This is super helpful.
So let me ask you, when you say the T-Mobile version is missing the advanced lte bands (20&29), does that mean the phone will only miss the benefit of the next gen lte speeds?
So for example, 20&29 go live in my area, I have the tmo version, I'll still have lte just not super/advanced lte?
Thank you again for your time and expertise!
yogi217 said:
This is super helpful.
So let me ask you, when you say the T-Mobile version is missing the advanced lte bands (20&29), does that mean the phone will only miss the benefit of the next gen lte speeds?
So for example, 20&29 go live in my area, I have the tmo version, I'll still have lte just not super/advanced lte?
Thank you again for your time and expertise!
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Ok first thing, band 29 is download only so it is used in conjunction with band 4. Band 20 is for who knows what but I haven't seen any news about ATT's plans for that band. It's not a part of ATT's LTE Advanced plans as far as I can tell. It may be there for international support only.
Yes you are right that you will continue to get LTE just not LTE advanced, and that might be a year or most likely longer before it reaches you. Think of the timeline for ATT's LTE rollout. I researched a bit today and found that Chicago supposedly has the first actual deployment.
Also, ATT has said they are not doing their deployment of LTE Advanced to increase user speed. It is just for network capacity. So you might not see speed increases at all according to ATT's presentation at Mobile World Congress. Tmobile is in a better position capacity wise because it owns more AWS spectrum (higher frequency = faster data). They are deploying wideband LTE.
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Ok first thing, band 29 is download only so it is used in conjunction with band 4. Band 20 is for who knows what but I haven't seen any news about ATT's plans for that band. It's not a part of ATT's LTE Advanced plans as far as I can tell. It may be there for international support only.
Yes you are right that you will continue to get LTE just not LTE advanced, and that might be a year or most likely longer before it reaches you. Think of the timeline for ATT's LTE rollout. I researched a bit today and found that Chicago supposedly has the first actual deployment.
Also, ATT has said that they are not doing their deployment of LTE Advanced to increase user speed. It is just for network capacity. So you might not see speed increases at all according to ATT's presentation at Mobile World Congress. Tmobile is in a better position capacity wise because is owns more AWS spectrum (higher frequency = faster data). They are deploying wideband LTE.
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You da man! Thank you for your help and knowledge!
Unlock service
Can any of you with a T-Mobile device on a different network tell me what service you used to unlock your phone? I saw a mention of cellunlocker.net on one thread, but it says on their site it could take up to 15 days to get the unlock for the T-Mobile Note 4. Is this typical? I've never used one of these services, so I don't know what the better routes are. Thanks!
Att lte advanced has been deployed in NYC since the iPhone 6. It's fast but tmobile is faster I think.
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Can any of you with a T-Mobile device on a different network tell me what service you used to unlock your phone? I saw a mention of cellunlocker.net on one thread, but it says on their site it could take up to 15 days to get the unlock for the T-Mobile Note 4. Is this typical? I've never used one of these services, so I don't know what the better routes are. Thanks!
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Cellunlocker.net got me my code in less than an hour even though it was 8 pm when I requested it.
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Cellunlocker.net got me my code in less than an hour even though it was 8 pm when I requested it.
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How is network performance using the TMO version on AT&T? Last year with the Note 3, I had such horrible LTE reception I took it back. T-Mobile devices are not optimized for band 17 support. It comes down to: you want a phone that gets a great signal, or you want a phone you can root/rom.
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How is network performance using the TMO version on AT&T? Last year with the Note 3, I had such horrible LTE reception I took it back. T-Mobile devices are not optimized for band 17 support. It comes down to: you want a phone that gets a great signal, or you want a phone you can root/rom.
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From what I have seen everything should be working fine. If you live in a city that has LTEa you will miss or on improved performance with band 29, but that should not effect most people.
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Cellunlocker.net wants $30. Anyone of a cheaper place that is just as reliable?
Would a blocked tmobile note 4 with regional unlock work on att ?
Hi All
Just to add my 2 cents...
I went from a At&T Note3 to TMO Note4
Just put my Note 3 Sim into the Note 4 and am up and running for about a week now...
When I log in to my ATT online account it still shows The Note 3 though but as I said all is well for now.
I have a T-Mobile branded M8 rooted, unlocked bootloader, and S-Off. I live out in the sticks and can only get 1900mhz LTE band 2 on my wife's S4 however, my M8 doesn't see band 2 because of the radio firmware.
Is there a radio firmware from another GSM M8 variant that I could flash to my T-Mobile branded M8 that would get me the 1900mhz LTE band 2?
Are you using the phone on a different carrier besides T-Mobile? If so, which carrier?
Also, Band 2 looks like its 1900 MHz, and band 4 corresponds to 1700 MHz (also known as AWS). So not clear which band you are looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
No. I am on T-Mobile US.
Sorry, I meant band 2 (1900mhz). Corrected in the OP.
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No. I am on T-Mobile US.
Sorry, I meant band 2 (1900mhz). Corrected in the OP.
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That's really odd that the T-Mobile US variant doesn't include a band that T-Mob uses. But based on specs listed online, this is the case (doesn't support 1900 MHz Band 2 for LTE): http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)-6074.php
AT&T or Developer's Edition radios may be your best bet (AT&T uses 1900 for LTE).
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I have a T-Mobile branded M8 rooted, unlocked bootloader, and S-Off. I live out in the sticks and can only get 1900mhz LTE band 2 on my wife's S4 however, my M8 doesn't see band 2 because of the radio firmware.
Is there a radio firmware from another GSM M8 variant that I could flash to my T-Mobile branded M8 that would get me the 1900mhz LTE band 2?
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Looks like you and I are in the same boat. I was dumfounded when I found out a LTE capable phone I purchased from T-Mobile is not able to get LTE due to an unsupported band.
In any case, I have a similar post over in the [Q&A] [RADIO] Q&A HTC One M8 Radio collection for different model Models/CID's. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/qa-htc-one-m8-radio-collection-models-t2941210/page6
One guy mentions the AT&T radio would probably work but I would lose 3G connectivity in some areas. I'm going to have to look into that a little deeper.
Please update me if you find a solution and let me know how things work out. I'll do the same.
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One guy mentions the AT&T radio would probably work but I would lose 3G connectivity in some areas. I'm going to have to look into that a little deeper.
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That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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What a PITA. Why didn't TMO just go ahead and put LTE Band 2 in the phone in the first place. They knew they were pushing LTE in that band so why handcuff their customers. You can't make this stuff up!
Thanks for the information you have provided. It really is eye-opening. I'm still in the buyers remorse period as far as this phone is concerned and could return it. The problem is I don't know what phone to get without spending twice the money at this point. That is unless I want to move of an iPhone (Boo!!).
What a tangled web!
redpoint73 said:
That's right. It occurred to me that the AT&T version lacks the AWS band (Band 4, or 1700/2100MHz), which T-Mob uses for HSPA+ (3G) in many areas. Its somewhat of an oddball band, meaning its not used in many places aside from T-Mob US, so its pretty rare to have this built into any radio that is not specifically T-Mob.
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So does the developer version support the AWS band?
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So does the developer version support the AWS band?
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I don't know for sure but there is a 2014 article on Phandroid that states the Developer Edition is basically an unbranded version of the AT&T phone. So logic would say that if the AT&T version doesn't support it then the Developer Edition wouldn't either.
http://phandroid.com/2014/03/26/htc-one-m8-developer-edition/
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So does the developer version support the AWS band?
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Dev Edition does not support AWS for HSPA+ (3G), according to this: https://support.t-mobile.com/message/359612
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I don't know for sure but there is a 2014 article on Phandroid that states the Developer Edition is basically an unbranded version of the AT&T phone. So logic would say that if the AT&T version doesn't support it then the Developer Edition wouldn't either.
http://phandroid.com/2014/03/26/htc-one-m8-developer-edition/
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That was my original understanding as well, and for the most part true. However, its been pointed out on XDA (and specs online agree) that the Dev Edition is missing LTE Band 7, which the AT&T version does support. A minor difference that won't affect most folks (AT&T doesn't use that band), but a difference nonetheless.
Will I lose any lte band support if I convert to tmobile?
Yes, flashing T-Mob US (I assume you mean US, since you are talking AT&T) firmware or RUU will change band support, and you will lose some LTE bands.
According to the specs on GSMarena, with the T-Mob firmware, you will have support for LTE bands 4 and 17; and will lose support for 2, 5, and 7.
What bands do you need, and what carrier are you using?
Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Tmo USA
What if I merely flash a tmobile based rom
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Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
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Just flashing the ROM, you won't change the band support.
But again, I'm curious what carrier you are actually using the phone on?
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Tmobile USA
I installed insertcoin and used the tmobile setting hopefully it works
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Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
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Should work fine.
Being on T-Mob US, and using AT&T radio baseband (part of the firmware that determines band support) should be fine for the most part. Reason I say this is:
1) ATT radio supports the same LTE bands as the T-Mob radio (4 and 17), and then some.
2) ATT radio is missing HSPA (3G) Band 4 (AWS). This used to be the band most widely used by T-Mob for 3G. But my understanding, is that they are well underway in migrating 3G service to 1900 MHz (Band 2) which is supported by the ATT radio.
3) The only "negative" to staying on the ATT radio, that I can see, is that if you happen to be in area where T-Mob is still using AWS for 3G , and you don't have LTE service in that area, either. In that instance, your data will drop down to EDGE (2G). I don't really have an idea of how widespread this situation may be; but I have a feeling its relatively small.
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Yea thats why I got an unlocked ATT m8 instead of a tmobile one for the extra lte bands. I have yet to run into band 2 lte and all the aws hspa has been reused for lte. Luckily.