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Hi All,
I saw a video review of the new c pen Samsung released for the tabpro S windows tablet. I can't embed a link, but it's on youtube. Turns out, it works very well with the S7edge. With the price of the S7 edge dropping and samsung essentially re-releasing this phone with a pen (Note7), I thought maybe for some users it might be worthwhile to consider buying the cheaper S7 edge plus the c pen. You save money, can port the grace UX rom and basically have a note7. Yes, the pen does not fit in the phone, but aside from that and the restricted iris scanner, is this a bad idea? I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
cheers,
Rekil
Bad idea is not a good way to put it. I'd say more so that it is comparing a mouse to a elephant. The note 7 has features that the s7 does not have the s pen functionality is priceless if you need it. The iris scanner is for security of unlocking the device itself, also for protection of passport banking ect in a folder you can only access and even hide. I would say the note 7 is the better of the two.
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matsuyamakaze said:
Bad idea is not a good way to put it. I'd say more so that it is comparing a mouse to a elephant. The note 7 has features that the s7 does not have the s pen functionality is priceless if you need it. The iris scanner is for security of unlocking the device itself, also for protection of passport banking ect in a folder you can only access and even hide. I would say the note 7 is the better of the two.
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I think you're grossly exaggerating. The hardware is 100% identical. Hardly befitting of a mouse vs elephant. With the Grace UX rom you get all the same pen features, just select manually. So, nothing missing. Finally, for one to believe the hype regarding the first gen tech of iris scanner, which samsung themselves point out is extremely restrictive,is highly naive. How good was the first gen fingerprint tech on the Note 4? Besides, the security can probably be achieved using the fingerprint anyways.
Having said all that, I'm still getting the Note7!
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The hardware is 100% identical.
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Nope. You're comparing a capacitive stylus using s/w to approximate pressure and location to a Wacom digitizer. The display not the pen is what makes a Note a Note. More here.
http://www.howtogeek.com/177376/not...ual-capacitive-wacom-and-bluetooth-explained/
Yeah your Edge screen isn't going to suddenly sense 4096 levels of pressure sensitivity and let you hover your pen over the screen to access drop down menus, etc.
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As long as i know is the answer is No! S Pen stylus won't work on others than Galaxy Note series itself. Because all the Note series have an additional screen layer in their LCD Digitizer which allows the S Pen stylus that comes with them to work. So the answer is NO LAYER NO STYLUS SUPPORT.
Ok, here's the deal. Fingerprints is already enough advanced tech to protect a phone's content.
Why the heck would someone get laser in his face each time he looks into the phone? First thing I did when I had my Note 7 was disabling the Iris Scanner. I didn't even care if it worked properly or not. Fingerprint scanner was fast enough.
And the infrared light into your eye? really? Like you don't hurt your eyes enough with VR or the phone's screen itself all the time... Now you need an Iris Scanner to beam Infrared into your eye?
Someone sign a petition or something so they stop this technology and put, I don't know, maybe a second speaker for stereo sound instead of a completely useless tech that uses space and Processing.
I like the Iris scanner, it's faster and more reliable than the fingerprint scanner, as for it shining anything in your eyes, if you go out in the sun the light radiation from the iris scanner is nothing compared to the sun.
Just disable it and be done with it. It hardly takes and resources. Some people like it some don't it looks like it's here to stay judging by the rumors of S8, if you don't like it get a different device?
its one of the main sell point , so its definitely be staying , also samsung has never have been into sound department , look at the stock music player ,always sucks , lol and dont ask me why .
No......but thanks for bringing it up.
I use the iris scanner quite a lot actually, my work requires the use of gloves, therefore my fingerprints doesnt work. I used pins before, but there is nothing as fast and covenient as the iris scanner.
D.O.C said:
I use the iris scanner quite a lot actually, my work requires the use of gloves, therefore my fingerprints doesnt work. I used pins before, but there is nothing as fast and covenient as the iris scanner.
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I have a similar problem with the fingerprint scanner, due to my work I hold and lift a lot of abrasive materials so my fingerprints tend to be really faint, the vast majority of the time the readers just can't get a read on my fingerprint, the advantage of the iris scanner is it worked pretty much no matter what as you are never affecting your eyes in a way that would make them hard to read.
I love the iris scanner. Let's sign a petition to make sure it's in the note 8 and s8
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I love the iris scanner. Let's sign a petition to make sure it's in the note 8 and s8
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Signed. I love it. More secure and a 2nd line of defence after fingerprint. I use fingerprint to unlock the device and then have the really sensitive stuff - online banking etc - in the secure folder, locked with the iris scanner. It's a perfect setup imho.
I didn't care for the iris scanner. It didn't feel right to my eyes, plus it wasn't consistent enough as opposed to the fingerprints (which seem to work perfectly for me). But that said, I don't mind if it's part of the phone, I will just disable it again like I did previously.
Doesn't anyone understand that with the iris scanner you can unlock your phone easier and in a secure way when your hands are wet/ dirty. You know, because this is a water-resistant phone
Strange how everyone says keep it yet they weren't so fussed before they were even aware of it. Of course get rid of it, it's an intrusion on one's privacy (which is why it is also wise to tape over the front facing camera).
Lose it for sure, free up some space for battery venting.
The Phone Company said:
Strange how everyone says keep it yet they weren't so fussed before they were even aware of it. Of course get rid of it, it's an intrusion on one's privacy (which is why it is also wise to tape over the front facing camera).
Lose it for sure, free up some space for battery venting.
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strange I think that's how innovative works. nobody was really fussing for a fingerprint reader on phones before 2011
IRIS = SIRI
In plain sight, are you blind? SEE what EYE did there?
since i going to return the note7 tommorow when the box arrives, i going to play with it. when you first setup iris. it said "To protect your eyes, keep the screen at least 8" away during iris recognition", "Do not use iris recognition with infants. Doing so may damage their eyesight". This just makes me uncomfortable to use it.
... Or or just disable it on your phone, like you already did and let the people who like it continue using it, which i believe is the majority.
Not every feature is gonna be a hit with everyone, that's why they implement a cool little toggle for them in the features settings.
a extra hardware is better then none , yeah you paid it with hard earn cash , removing the iris scanner is like removing the ir blaster , a feature that some still like .
Iris scanner is just getting started. I don't use it, but it will be another feature that is more prevalent, not less in future phones. As others have said just disable it if you don't like it. I don't lock my phone often, but when I do I use fingerprint as it is very good on the N7. Fingerprint on my N4 didn't work worth a crap, but works great on the Note 7. It is always good to have choices.
I am largely indifferent. Not a deal breaker for me.
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I think it is better to remove the heart rate, O2 sensors. Not many people use it. There are already smart watch, fitness band, & ask the wearable devices able to do that.
Bring back the IR blaster, FM radio, and removable battery...
Anyone one else having trouble work the biometric
Fingerprint sensor? Mine is slow to recognize my fingers.
My hands are clean, no lotion
Or oils.
I also think it's a bit slow relative to my last phone, Huawei Honor 8. That phone's fingerprint sensor was instantaneous so far as I could tell. The Pixel 2's is certainly not as fast despite what a few reports have said.
Seems pretty instantaneous to me. My only other experience with fingerprint sensors is on my wife's Pixel, and the 2 XL seems about the same speed. I certainly have no complaints; it's a lot faster than entering a PIN, or pattern which is where I've been.
My Pixel 2 XL fingerprint sensor is noticeably faster than the Pixel 1 XL, which was noticeably faster than the Nexus 6P.
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Anyone one else having trouble work the biometric
Fingerprint sensor? Mine is slow to recognize my fingers.
My hands are clean, no lotion
Or oils.
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That's odd because my Nexus 6P started having problems reading my right index finger but my Pixel 2 XL reads it fine.
I've heard that if you register the same finger twice it may recognize it faster?? I'm coming from a Z Force, which was pretty quick. I really miss hitting the fingerprint sensor to turn the screen off.
Must be some kind of fingerprint sensor lottery lol. Mine is way slower than my old OnePlus 3T. Yet still quick enough
Just wondering if there has been any improvement to the fingerprint scanner at all?
From my understanding physically its using the same sensor/hardware. Whether software will enhance it, i think not. The TechChap did a video on his time with the S20 Ultra and it appears to be the same, slow and sluggish unlock. Which is a huge bummer. From my understanding physically its using the same sensor/hardware. Whether software will enhance it, i think not. The TechChap did a video on his time with the S20 Ultra and it appears to be the same, slow and sluggish unlock. Which is a huge bummer.
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Just wondering if there has been any improvement to the fingerprint scanner at all?
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Exact same sensor. It will just be moved higher up on the display. The 17x bigger sensor was a false rumor.
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Well, that just plain sucks.
felloffthetruck said:
Well, that just plain sucks.
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Does it have anything to do with what screen cover you are using?? I heard whitestone dome glass will help improve the finger print sensor but I could be wrong.
My S10 is lightning fast. In fact I have psoriasis and is the ONLY fingerprint reader that works reliably with my fingers.
Mine is brilliant as well by now. It took 3-6 months, yes, but after that it was perfect on mine.
After an early update about a month after the note 10+ came out I've had zero issues with the fingerprint sensor. Really fast and gets it on the first try 98% of the time even if i have something on my finger. I'm glad its coming back
Hopefully, it is a better than the s10+.
S10+ is perfect for me. Trick is to not leave finger on it until it unlocks. Just press and release and phone will unlock.
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The Ultra's fingerprint scanner is very fast and accurate. Haven't had any issues with it.
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The Ultra's fingerprint scanner is very fast and accurate. Haven't had any issues with it.
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You have it already?
20degrees said:
You have it already?
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Yep. I can also confirm the focus issues with the camera too. But a software update is planned ahead of public release so shouldn't be an issue.
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Does it have anything to do with what screen cover you are using?? I heard whitestone dome glass will help improve the finger print sensor but I could be wrong.
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I use whitestone dome glass on my Note 10+ and it definitelly does NOT make the fingerprint reader better. In my experience it makes the response much slower although it's the best screen protector on the market in every other aspect..
I'm gonna stay with the OEM screen protector this time and keep my fingers crossed.
The fingerprint sensor performance is directly related to the moisture level of your fingertip. The dryer your fingertip the more likely you will have lag or issues of it not working at all.
TBH I don't care, use the face unlock feature and only need fingerprint in darkness where (face) doesn't work.
That's one thing I love about my iphone. Not having that huge notch is worth it.
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TBH I don't care, use the face unlock feature and only need fingerprint in darkness where (face) doesn't work.
That's one thing I love about my iphone. Not having that huge notch is worth it.
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Face unlock on the Samsung phones is very insecure and can't be used for higher level validation (banning apps and such). Just in case you didn't know.
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Face unlock on the Samsung phones is very insecure and can't be used for higher level validation (banning apps and such). Just in case you didn't know.
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Yes I'm aware and I don't use any such apps on my device so no worries.
If I want to lock down my device I remove ALL biometrics and use a complex password.
Anything else is always a compromise in security but more convenient.
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The fingerprint sensor performance is directly related to the moisture level of your fingertip. The dryer your fingertip the more likely you will have lag or issues of it not working at all.
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Thanks for that tidbit of info. Just received my Ultra yesterday and when trying to use the fingerprint sensor (after a successful setup) , keep getting message to "push harder". Looking back though, my hands/thumbs are very dry. I will try to moisturize them somewhat and redo. Again, thanks for that tidbit of info.
Fingerprint is really fast .not as fast as a physical sensor but way faster than my a50 or s10 plus
First time with an in screen finger print scanner. It seems the Pixel 6 turns on at maximum brightness (regardless of the screens brightness) a circle under your finger as you unlock. This is very bright in a dark or dim room, causing my finger to glow bright red, sure I can see bone!
As I understand it the finger print scanner is just a capacitive scanner under the screen, so not something that "sees" justifying the bright light, so why is this happening? Is it just something Google thinks looks cool without giving much thought to it, or does it have a purpose?
I'd really like to get it toned down so it's not so jarring in a dark room when using at night, but see no settings to allow this, is there a way to change it?
Struggling to see how this is any better than a rear fingerprint scanner.
It's not capacitive, lel. How would that work? It's hidden under the display.
It's an optical fingerprint scanner. And optics means it requires light to function.
There are three main systems in smartphones: Capacitative, optical and ultrasonic. Google opted for an optical sensor on the Pixel 6 (pro).
Without light, the system can't work. It requires a combination of light and dark.
A capacitative fingerprint scanner uses an array of tiny capacitor circuits to cllect data. How would you exchange/store electrical charge, if a glass panel is between the scanner and your finger? It's just not possible, from a simple physical conditions standpoint.
It's working as intended.
Besides, it's simply NOT better than a rear fingerprint scanner. The old Pixel rear scanner was beatiful and just worked. In a dream world, the Pixel 6 would have faceunlock AND a rear fingerprint scanner, so we can enjoy unlocking with ease at home and use the fingerprint scanner whenever we wear a mask in public.
But, we are not in an optimal world.
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It's not capacitive, lel. How would that work? It's hidden under the display.
It's an optical fingerprint scanner. And optics mean it requires light.
Without light, the system can't work. It requires a combination of light and dark.
It's working as intended
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Many thanks, I did Google it after posting and found it was a CCD device so optical, should have done that first! I thought it just worked the same as the rear ones but just placed under the glass. Everyday is a school day, guess I will just have to use a pincode when its dark.
Must say I find the rear scanners much easier and natural to use, I don't see these personally as any improvement.
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Many thanks, I did Google it after posting and found it was a CCD device so optical, should have done that first! I thought it just worked the same as the rear ones but just placed under the glass. Everyday is a school day, guess I will just have to use a pincode when its dark.
Must say I find the rear scanners much easier and natural to use, I don't see these personally as any improvement.
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You're welcome. I agree with you here, I liked the Pixel 2 and 3 scanner at the back, with a case on you just had this "easy" resting and finding place with your finger. It just "moved" naturally into the hole and unlocking was never a problem.
Sadly, Google decided to opt for another solution.
I edited my previous post btw with some more info about scanners, maybe you will find it useful.
I think it's a shame that Google doesn't use the latest technology for its fingerprint sensor. Google developed the Tensor chipset in collaboration with Samsung. Why didn't you just adopt the ultrasound technology for the fingerprint sensor from Samsung? In my opinion, this technology would be a perfect fit for the Pixel 6. Has it probably got too expensive for Google or Samsung doesn't want to share the technology (yet) with others? In any case, it's a shame.
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I think it's a shame that Google doesn't use the latest technology for its fingerprint sensor. Google developed the Tensor chipset in collaboration with Samsung. Why didn't you just adopt the ultrasound technology for the fingerprint sensor from Samsung? In my opinion, this technology would be a perfect fit for the Pixel 6. Has it probably got too expensive for Google or Samsung doesn't want to share the technology (yet) with others? In any case, it's a shame.
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Maybe it had something to do with the supply situation, many parts are only hard to come by.
Pixel 7 next year got to have a reason to upgrade. I can see the return of a rear or ultrasonic in display + face unlock as a feature heavily marketed lol
Google is trying to stay up to date with the cool kids. That optical sensor is a gimmick nobody asked for. It's not nearly as fast or precise as the rear one. But hey, at least it's "cool".
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Struggling to see how this is any better than a rear fingerprint scanner.
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I believe what's supposed to be potentially better about them is that they don't take up as much space in the phone, making more room for other things (like the huge batttery). I could be wrong about that.
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Has it probably got too expensive for Google or Samsung doesn't want to share the technology (yet) with others? In any case, it's a shame.
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It is my theory that they have an agreement with Samsung to not make their phones "too good" (gimp them), in exchange (and money) Samsung provides them some parts. For that matter, Samsung could've just refused to license certain technology to Google. I'm glad at least the storage is UFS 3.1, from Samsung.
I suspected it was more for looks. Trying to make themselves look more mainstream.