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Just thought that this feature has been ignored by websites and even Samsung. Seeing the specs list, I concluded that HDMI out was not supported by Galaxy Nexus.
Then I stumbled upon Modaco, and in their review they did mention this functionality.
I bought a cheap knock off MHL cable from the market, and viola! It works perfectly. I am just curious as to why this feature was not announced and anyone failed to cover it.
XDA fellows are requested to share their feedback.
talhamid said:
Just thought that this feature has been ignored by websites and even Samsung. Seeing the specs list, I concluded that HDMI out was not supported by Galaxy Nexus.
Then I stumbled upon Modaco, and in their review they did mention this functionality.
I bought a cheap knock off MHL cable from the market, and viola! It works perfectly. I am just curious as to why this feature was not announced and anyone failed to cover it.
XDA fellows are requested to share their feedback.
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I agree with you that most websites have neglected to mention this function but it is pretty standard on new device releases now and in the Galaxy Nexus quick start guide it has a diagram of the phone with an arrow to the charging port the says Multifunction Jack.How is the quality of the picture?
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Picture quality is superb.
One disadvantage is that the phone loses PORTRAIT mode while connected. The launcher becomes a landscape which is quite attractive. But full-screen portrait games run at a 90 degree angle.
talhamid said:
Just thought that this feature has been ignored by websites and even Samsung. Seeing the specs list, I concluded that HDMI out was not supported by Galaxy Nexus.
Then I stumbled upon Modaco, and in their review they did mention this functionality.
I bought a cheap knock off MHL cable from the market, and viola! It works perfectly. I am just curious as to why this feature was not announced and anyone failed to cover it.
XDA fellows are requested to share their feedback.
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Great find!
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Which cable do you use there? Care to snap a picture and seller link if any.
I'm planning to get one myself
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I'm using a samsung gs2 one, you really get to see how high res the ui really is. The only thing is the density, It would be awesome if there was a "non root" way to put it into tablet mode.
Its even better with a bluetooth mouse connected
i got one of the cheap ones of ebay for mine and the pictures perfect on full HD stuff!
One problem i am having though is that now and then the screen will go black and loose sound for a second, it can happen a few times a minute or not at all for 5 mins or so but it keeps happening. Anyone else experiencing this?
I've not had chance to test on another TV yet to see if its something on there effecting it or if its the fact i got the cheapo MHL and not the Samsung one.
I did not experience it, but I hardly tried it for a few minutes.
The 'cheapo' cable I bought still ended up costing around 30 USD, so its cheap only by comparison. I strongly believe that it should be coming free inside the box since the functionality is there in the handset.
A few years ago those Nokia sets came with the TV out cable in the box. These phones cost almost twice that and yet.... There is a worrying trend to charge for peripherals - we already see wafer thin batteries in phones and then manufacturers rolling out expensive extended batteries. Next thing we know, they will be charging for chargers and headphones too.
Also would it kill Sammy if they'd just used a simple Micro-to-full HDMI cable without this MHL BS. it is a messy set up resulting in an explosion of cables under your telly, and since three sockets are involved, unreliable too.
Moto uses just a simple micro HDMI port in their sets. How hard can that be for Sammy or HTC to implement?
I brought my cheapo one for £6 on eBay, very good picture and sound, had no blackouts yet.
Hi can you share link and photo of the mhl cable that you bought?
Thanks.
talhamid said:
Just thought that this feature has been ignored by websites and even Samsung. Seeing the specs list, I concluded that HDMI out was not supported by Galaxy Nexus.
Then I stumbled upon Modaco, and in their review they did mention this functionality.
I bought a cheap knock off MHL cable from the market, and viola! It works perfectly. I am just curious as to why this feature was not announced and anyone failed to cover it.
XDA fellows are requested to share their feedback.
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I did not experience it, but I hardly tried it for a few minutes.
The 'cheapo' cable I bought still ended up costing around 30 USD, so its cheap only by comparison. I strongly believe that it should be coming free inside the box since the functionality is there in the handset.
A few years ago those Nokia sets came with the TV out cable in the box. These phones cost almost twice that and yet.... There is a worrying trend to charge for peripherals - we already see wafer thin batteries in phones and then manufacturers rolling out expensive extended batteries. Next thing we know, they will be charging for chargers and headphones too.
Also would it kill Sammy if they'd just used a simple Micro-to-full HDMI cable without this MHL BS. it is a messy set up resulting in an explosion of cables under your telly, and since three sockets are involved, unreliable too.
Moto uses just a simple micro HDMI port in their sets. How hard can that be for Sammy or HTC to implement?
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Welcome to nexus. Lol. What's wrong with mhl? Micro hdmi port has its limitations too but it does have the advantage of simple mirroring without extra power being needed. Other than that advantage a messy explosion of cables is still needed to do anything serious.
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1 vs 3 cables. Its all about practicality - it's irritating for me because in these days of batteries lasting barely one day, the charger is usually in the bedroom for overnight charging.
Although I did find a workaround - MicroUSB cable off the TV's USB port takes care of the charging side of MHL quite nicely . Clever me.
Also, MHL seems to be a mixed blessing for portrait apps. In HDMI mirroring the display at least switches to portrait when there is a full screen portrait game running. No such luck here. My Flick Golf looks like Angry Birds with MHL!
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One disadvantage is that the phone loses PORTRAIT mode while connected.
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Completely unrelated: If someone could hack this into Android x86 as a feature, I would install it on my netbook in an instant.
I bought some random $12 MHL adaptor on eBay and while it works the reliablity isn't very great. When I plug my GN in sometimes nothing happens, sometimes it works instantly. Sometimes it works perfectly fine sometime it changes between analog looking static and black intermittently. If you're going to buy one I think you should just buy it retail as buying 2 on eBay (Assuming you get a bad one the first time like I seem to have) it will cost you the same as getting it retail.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-SAM...Accessories&hash=item1e696bae42#ht_777wt_1396
That should work right?
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I bought some random $12 MHL adaptor on eBay and while it works the reliablity isn't very great. When I plug my GN in sometimes nothing happens, sometimes it works instantly. Sometimes it works perfectly fine sometime it changes between analog looking static and black intermittently. If you're going to buy one I think you should just buy it retail as buying 2 on eBay (Assuming you get a bad one the first time like I seem to have) it will cost you the same as getting it retail.
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Sounds a lot like apple's official iPad HDMI adapter.
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what is the HDMI out on the gnexus like, is it basically HDMI mirroring, or are you taken into some mode (like the atrix's webtop)
does it fill the screen at 1920x1080 if i wanted to stream netflix for example or a HD video from the android market
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1 vs 3 cables. Its all about practicality - it's irritating for me because in these days of batteries lasting barely one day, the charger is usually in the bedroom for overnight charging.
Although I did find a workaround - MicroUSB cable off the TV's USB port takes care of the charging side of MHL quite nicely . Clever me.
Also, MHL seems to be a mixed blessing for portrait apps. In HDMI mirroring the display at least switches to portrait when there is a full screen portrait game running. No such luck here. My Flick Golf looks like Angry Birds with MHL!
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Mine is the Dvd player USB port
talhamid said:
1 vs 3 cables. Its all about practicality - it's irritating for me because in these days of batteries lasting barely one day, the charger is usually in the bedroom for overnight charging.
Although I did find a workaround - MicroUSB cable off the TV's USB port takes care of the charging side of MHL quite nicely . Clever me.
Also, MHL seems to be a mixed blessing for portrait apps. In HDMI mirroring the display at least switches to portrait when there is a full screen portrait game running. No such luck here. My Flick Golf looks like Angry Birds with MHL!
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Are you experiencing the phone losing battery even though it is charging? e.g. it kills more power than the USB can provide? Has anyone tried the monoprice cable with regards to this? Thanks guys.
Does using an MHL to HDMI adapter use any additional resources (RAM/CPU/GPU/etc)? I'd imagine it does since it mirrors, outputting to two sources at once (screen on the GN and the output jack). I ask this because the reason I bought one, well 90% of the reason anyway, was to use it for PSX and N64 emulators with a PS3 dual shock controller. I know those put a strain on the system in and of themselves, but it seems like they work even less well when using the MHL to HDMI adapter. There is pretty bad lag with some games, but others are okay (Mario Kart 64 was pretty bad, while F-Zero X seemed to be perfect). PSX is the same way, Intelligent Qube works well but Metal Gear Solid is almost unplayable. But when I don't use the adapter and just play it on the phone it's not as bad. The audio is choppy sometimes but game play is still smooth. Not so much the case when using the adapter...
No lag when using SNES emulator, so it's probably just the added resources needed for the more advanced emulators. Still, kind of baffling that its mostly fine without the adapter and not so fine with it.
Yes, a double Android car charger, meaning that it has two usb ports designated for charging Android phones - on each port, the D-/+ data pins are shorted. On every one I've seen it's either 1x Android+1x Apple or 2x Apple. I would really love to charge a Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 at the same time at full speed... anyone know how to solve my dilemma?
I have found on Amazon dual charge but does will charger both ?
i guess it can
you should take care that the alimentator can output at least 2Amps.
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Yes, a double Android car charger, meaning that it has two usb ports designated for charging Android phones - on each port, the D-/+ data pins are shorted. On every one I've seen it's either 1x Android+1x Apple or 2x Apple. I would really love to charge a Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 at the same time at full speed... anyone know how to solve my dilemma?
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Have you seen these ones. Says they're Dual http://www.poeticcases.com/chargers
You should buy an original one if you don't want your phone's battery ruined fast.
I used to charge my phone in my car alot (Samsung Note 2) and the battery needs to be replaced now.
I'll recommend you to use Avantek. It has good reputation on Amazon and I'm also using this for my two Note 2. It has dual USB port Charger to Five USB port Car charger. You can choose any of them as per your need. Lets Rock!! :good:
I'm sure you'll find something on eBay. You'll be surprised what specific items they have.
Got one on Amazon, no charge on both...
I use Avantek for my HTC One and my wife’s Nexus 5. It has 5 USB ports and, if the specs are right, there should be 2 voltage inverters in the charger so that two Android phones can be charged simultaneously at full speed. FYI most chargers have 1 voltage inverter.
So, I just picked up a Pixel C to replace my Nexus 10, using the developer discount, and I'm really annoyed that I can't get started rooting it yet as I have no way to connect it to my computer. If you're going to put out a device that uses a brand new connector standard, the least you can do is include a cable for those who haven't owned any usb-c devices before. I wouldn't even have minded a straight usb-c to usb-c cable, as unlike most, I actually have a couple usb-c ports on the new PC I recently built. But instead all I get is a dedicated charging cable. Who the hell makes dedicated charging cables anymore???
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So, I just picked up a Pixel C to replace my Nexus 10, using the developer discount, and I'm really annoyed that I can't get started rooting it yet as I have no way to connect it to my computer. If you're going to put out a device that uses a brand new connector standard, the least you can do is include a cable for those who haven't owned any usb-c devices before. I wouldn't even have minded a straight usb-c to usb-c cable, as unlike most, I actually have a couple usb-c ports on the new PC I recently built. But instead all I get is a dedicated charging cable. Who the hell makes dedicated charging cables anymore???
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I can definitely see where you're coming from. You would think with as much as they charge for the C, they could at least throw in a short cable. Fortunately, I have a 6P, which came with a (very short) data cable. I remember people were upset when they found out the 5X didn't come with a data cable either.
IMPORTANT:
Make sure you check out Benson Leung's profile on Amazon to see which Type C cables are within proper specs: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
He even fried his Chromebook Pixel while testing a cable that was not within proper specs. So I would definitely recommend getting one he has positively reviewed.
I personally bought this one he reviewed: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Haven't had any issues with using it on my 6P thus far. Luckily, the prices of these cables have dropped since more companies are making them.
I was annoyed that it didn't have one in the box when I opened it yesterday (I just wanted to unlock the bootloader to get that out of the way), until I remembered I could use the one from my Nexus 6p, albeit very short. Well after one PC refused to even turn on, I tried the other older one and after getting the SDK tools installed, it wouldn't recognize the Pixel in ADB or Fastboot so I gave up and just joined the N beta.
The captive cable is annoying as well. I have the OEM charger that shipped with my 6p, and purchased the 2 port charger from Google before Benson started reviewing 3rd party items on Amazon (I wanted to be sure it would work and not damage anything so I went straight to Google). I actually haven't purchased a charger for work (really don't need to charge my phone at work, just have a charger in the bedroom, living room and car) but I have the Pixel charger here at work now. I was thinking it would be nice if it wasn't a captive cable because then I could charge my phone from my tablet with a double ended USB C cable. Still an option with the cables I have at home, but it would have been nice.
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I personally bought this one he reviewed: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Haven't had any issues with using it on my 6P thus far. Luckily, the prices of these cables have dropped since more companies are making them.
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+1 for this cable. I got it to use in my car as a charger due to the length and the braided cover. I haven't used it for data transfer/flashing but it's a very good cable and has the same satisfying click as the OEM cable that came with my 6p.
I agree. I too was disappointed that a cable was not included.
Yeah that caught me off guard. You'd think they'd be trying to get as many C cables out there as possible. Every microUSB product comes with a cable even though most people have dozens, but then they dont ship one with a brand new standard...that's shocking.
Hey, you guys are asking a bit much for only $500 +
Yea it does suck but I grabbed and adapter and a cable off of amazon for like $5-10 each, they were here in a few days.
charesa39 said:
I can definitely see where you're coming from. You would think with as much as they charge for the C, they could at least throw in a short cable. Fortunately, I have a 6P, which came with a (very short) data cable. I remember people were upset when they found out the 5X didn't come with a data cable either.
IMPORTANT:
Make sure you check out Benson Leung's profile on Amazon to see which Type C cables are within proper specs: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
He even fried his Chromebook Pixel while testing a cable that was not within proper specs. So I would definitely recommend getting one he has positively reviewed.
I personally bought this one he reviewed: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Haven't had any issues with using it on my 6P thus far. Luckily, the prices of these cables have dropped since more companies are making them.
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I should have read this thread before I bought a USB cable. Luckily the force was with me and I chose the one you recommended anyway. Arriving today. :good::good::good::good:
Am totally with you on this. I mean for the past x amount of years you have been supplied with charger which doubles as a data cable. This is probably the first device I have owned where you have a dedicated charger.
Also, as a so called development device, I am really surprised they didn't include the usual charger / data cable set up.
This is my first USB-C device, so that makes it an even bigger pain. I am sure things will change over the years, but for the time being its going to be a case of picking up overpriced USB-C data cables / mirco-usb adapters, etc.
So as the title suggests I had a bad experiences with my htc 10. I upgraded or should I say side graded from my nexus 6p. (I'm gonna do the captain 2 phones life for a while) I promptly put my htc 10 to charge over night with my nexus 6p charger. Stupidly thinking it's USB C so what could go wrong. I woke up to a freeky hot htc that actually burned me before powering itself of. Probably a safety feature.
So the question is : does anybody know if there is a real difference between the two chargers and technologys?and what that differens means for the regular consumers. And should I be looking for a special type of cable or something, as I had to do when hunting for a second USB c cable to my nexus. Remember the whole debacle of the bad USB c cables on amazon.
Have I damaged my new htc in any way?
Side note is that it's working fine now that I charged it up again with the included charger.
Note to self: Use the HTC charger for awhile.
This is exactly why I only use the HTC charger to charge mine. Figured something like this would happen.
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I also noticed it charges ungodly slow when connected to a computer
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I also noticed it charges ungodly slow when connected to a computer
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Pretty sure all phones will charge ungodly slow connected to a computer. USB2.0 outputs 5V 0.5A while USB3.0 outputs 5V 0.9A. It will be slower than any slow charger.
I have charged my 10 every single time with my OEM Nexus 6P charger (albeit with a i-Orange 6.6ft cable) and have had zero issues.
You don't need to stick with the HTC charger. The phones today decide hope much and when they want power. If the OP's charger has been working fine with his 6P then i see no reason why it would cause his 10 to overheat.
To the OP. You most likely have a defective 10. I would exchange it ASAP before something worse happens.
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drewmor said:
So as the title suggests I had a bad experiences with my htc 10. I upgraded or should I say side graded from my nexus 6p. (I'm gonna do the captain 2 phones life for a while) I promptly put my htc 10 to charge over night with my nexus 6p charger. Stupidly thinking it's USB C so what could go wrong. I woke up to a freeky hot htc that actually burned me before powering itself of. Probably a safety feature.
So the question is : does anybody know if there is a real difference between the two chargers and technologys?and what that differens means for the regular consumers. And should I be looking for a special type of cable or something, as I had to do when hunting for a second USB c cable to my nexus. Remember the whole debacle of the bad USB c cables on amazon.
Have I damaged my new htc in any way?
Side note is that it's working fine now that I charged it up again with the included charger.
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have you noticed any negative effects from this yet?
I noticed that my 10 gets pretty warm while charging. But I think that's a standard affair. Nothing hand burning however
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have you noticed any negative effects from this yet?
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Not yet... That's what I'm a bit worried about. I'm not super happy with the battery life so far. I've narrowed it down to three options
1. I'm coming from the nexus 6p so it could just be that I'm used to a larger battery.
2. The htc is still in its first week of use, so the battery life may yet improve.
3. The affair with the nexus 6p charger damaged the battery in some way.
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I noticed that my 10 gets pretty warm while charging. But I think that's a standard affair. Nothing hand burning however
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Warm and relatively hot is in my opinion the norm when talking about a full Metal body phone. It was the same with the M7, M8 and nexus 6p.
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I also noticed it charges ungodly slow when connected to a computer
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Do you have the quick charge option on your computer. My experience is that most phones are freeky slow when connected to a computer, if you some how can't tell the computer that's it should charge the device not just power it
Yea, something seems wrong there with the phone. Exchange it if you can, like someone said. I use my HTC charger at home, and an Anker branded cable in my car with an Anker quick charge car adapter and no problems at all even though it isn't an HTC product.
Wow check this out.
http://m.androidcentral.com/my-htc-10-hates-pixel-c-charger
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Wow check this out.
http://m.androidcentral.com/my-htc-10-hates-pixel-c-charger
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Yep, definitely a problem that folks need to be aware of. Bottom line, only use the charger that was supplied with the HTC 10. In fact, a warning about using only the HTC 10 charger is etched on the back of the device, although the print is tiny, but it's there.
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HTC uses their own custom version of QuickCharge 3.0 or something like that from what I remember reading. It cannot just plug into any standard charger and work properly. It is really dumb, but that is most likely the cause of this serious issue. The HTC 10 also goes out of spec with higher voltage than USB-C allows for because of this custom setup HTC uses.
i have used aukey and anker cables and chargers for my G2, G5, and HTC10 without any issue + the HTC10 native stuff... no issues.
no negative affects charging or maintaining are charge, however i am comparing it to myself only.
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HTC uses their own custom version of QuickCharge 3.0 or something like that from what I remember reading. It cannot just plug into any standard charger and work properly. It is really dumb, but that is most likely the cause of this serious issue. The HTC 10 also goes out of spec with higher voltage than USB-C allows for because of this custom setup HTC uses.
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They aren't using a custom setup.. They're using Quick Charge 3.0. Which Isn't compliant with the standard usb-c spec. Which essentially means, dont use a nexus 6p or pixel charger and thats it. There are far more devices out that are quick charge 3.0 compatible, and those are the accessories you want to look for. Not the usb-c spec. Any standard charger will actually work just fine. It's only the usb-c standard you would want to ignore. Literally every device manufacturer other then the current nexus lineup uses QC. It's more of a standard then the usb-c spec.
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So as the title suggests I had a bad experiences with my htc 10. I upgraded or should I say side graded from my nexus 6p. (I'm gonna do the captain 2 phones life for a while) I promptly put my htc 10 to charge over night with my nexus 6p charger. Stupidly thinking it's USB C so what could go wrong. I woke up to a freeky hot htc that actually burned me before powering itself of. Probably a safety feature.
So the question is : does anybody know if there is a real difference between the two chargers and technologys?and what that differens means for the regular consumers. And should I be looking for a special type of cable or something, as I had to do when hunting for a second USB c cable to my nexus. Remember the whole debacle of the bad USB c cables on amazon.
Have I damaged my new htc in any way?
Side note is that it's working fine now that I charged it up again with the included charger.
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You'd need to account for every app that could've been running over night and eliminate those from the possible troublemakers before you could say it was a problem with the 6p cable which is in spec for usb-c.
you really wont notice right now if the overheat damaged the device if it still turns on. But lithium ion battery's dont like to get hot. they will start to degrade and the battery will hold less of a charge. you could RMA it because its under the manufacturer warranty but you will end up with a "refurbished" device. (you might get lucky and get a new due to how new the device is)
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this is from a personal experience. i RMA'd 4 rezounds all 4 were "certified like new" (crap) before i went with insurance and they sent be a different device.
I've tried this in the past with micro USB devices, it wouldn't work and I was told it couldn't. I know that you can do this with computers that are equipped with type C but I cant find any info about doing this with type C phones. Please help! This feature would be extremely useful to me but I don't want to buy a powered USB hub and then find out it doesn't work and end up wasting time and money.
I imagine it should be possible as long as your dongle supports pass through charging. My Pixel C and LG G5 both support data from a flash drive and charging at the same time.
I'm excited to see if it really works too. From what i read, the crucial spec is that the charger, hub, and phone all support USB-C PD (power delivery). I bought the Pluggable brand hub Google's Benson suggested to me on Google+.
Edit. I linked them here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=69031534
Did that hub work on the Pixel XL? I would also like to charge my phone while casting it's screen with an attached dongle via usb for a remote. This way I can watch things like amazon video on my chromecast via my phone screen. I tried it on my Nexus 6P and could never get it to work.
Yes, the hub works to charge and connect a usb sound card at the same time on my pixel xl. I don't think the 6p had full USBC-pd support like the pixel added.
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Yes, the hub works to charge and connect a usb sound card at the same time on my pixel xl. I don't think the 6P had full USBC-pd support like the pixel added.
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Thanks, I returned my Pixel XL after a few days even though I thought the phone was great. I just couldn't deal with the smaller screen and the single bottom speaker after being spoiled by the 6P. Good to know that it works since my wife will be getting one. She's not as picky as I am. Just to confirm, is this the usb-c hub you used? https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Sup...01D401PYW/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
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Thanks, I returned my Pixel XL after a few days even though I thought the phone was great. I just couldn't deal with the smaller screen and the single bottom speaker after being spoiled by the 6P. Good to know that it works since my wife will be getting one. She's not as picky as I am. Just to confirm, is this the usb-c hub you used? https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Sup...01D401PYW/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
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yes, that's the one!