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T-Mobile HSPA+ Faster than T-Mobile LTE?

Hello everyone, I'm a bit confused here. I've been with T-Mobile since July and have no complaints, so far I love their network and the unlimited plan they offer. I've had LTE here in the Orlando area since July when I jumped on their network. Only recently after getting curious about their LTE speeds vs. their HSPA+ speeds, did I find out that their HSPA+ is faster than their LTE?
Does anyone happen to know why this might be?
At first I thought it might just be the ROM I'm on, I was thinking that somehow the signal icons or what not, got switched up. But it's the same result across 3 different ROMs.
Here's a couple of screen shots of speed tests done only a few minutes apart on both LTE and HSPA+. I know there's a difference in signal strength with LTE, but from previous tests, even with full signal of LTE, the speeds are the same, HSPA+ was still faster. The tests were done using the same servers.
Could this just be an issue with the radios on the S4 since they haven't been updated since the LTE roll out? Or just an issue with T-Mobile? I find it strange.
Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
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Generally speaking, no LTE is not slower than HSPA+. Speed depends on A LOT of factors, Im going to judge from your screenshots that the LTE having weaker signal is the reason for not as fast as H+. Also, the number of devices on LTE might be a lot higher than the number of devices on H+ in your area. I just got LTE at my work, and i average 20 - 30 Mbps. I love it. Before with H+ i was only getting 8 Mbps. Speed seriously depends on a lot of factors.
When testing speed, take about 10 tests that day that time. then in the next day do the same thing but at a different time of day.. etc etc. then average.

elesbb said:
Generally speaking, no LTE is not slower than HSPA+. Speed depends on A LOT of factors, Im going to judge from your screenshots that the LTE having weaker signal is the reason for not as fast as H+. Also, the number of devices on LTE might be a lot higher than the number of devices on H+ in your area. I just got LTE at my work, and i average 20 - 30 Mbps. I love it. Before with H+ i was only getting 8 Mbps. Speed seriously depends on a lot of factors.
When testing speed, take about 10 tests that day that time. then in the next day do the same thing but at a different time of day.. etc etc. then average.
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That is correct.. It depends on how many devices that tower have.
When tmobile update to LTE here in Dallas, Tx my HSPA+ boost to highest. I used to get around 15-20Mbps download on H+ After a month or two of LTE my speed boost to 30-35Mbps download. I know because I had my S3 back then. My S4 with LTE gets around the same last I check.. 30-35Mbps. So yeah LTE is faster than H+ With faster uploads but you will never get top speeds on a device dual to so many people in that tower.
So where ever you have most be more LTE devices using that tower than H+

elesbb said:
Generally speaking, no LTE is not slower than HSPA+. Speed depends on A LOT of factors, Im going to judge from your screenshots that the LTE having weaker signal is the reason for not as fast as H+. Also, the number of devices on LTE might be a lot higher than the number of devices on H+ in your area. I just got LTE at my work, and i average 20 - 30 Mbps. I love it. Before with H+ i was only getting 8 Mbps. Speed seriously depends on a lot of factors.
When testing speed, take about 10 tests that day that time. then in the next day do the same thing but at a different time of day.. etc etc. then average.
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I've done tests with LTE at full signal strength and have gotten the same results. Also, I thought it might have been upgrades or something effecting it, so I've been doing the same tests for almost 2 weeks now, all with very, very similar results. Even at early morning hours (between 2 and 4AM) when network traffic is usually low, and I get the same results.
Before I took a screen shot, I ran 5 tests on both LTE and H+, the results were pretty the same as in the shots I posted.
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I live in the Miami area and I can tell you that my T-Mobile H is faster then LTE. It shouldn't be but I did noticed this the other day with a couple of tests, so I agree with OP.
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M2 802L LTE in USA on Cricket (AT&T)?

Hello fellow members,
I was wondering if anyone could verify this for me.
I see that the 802L possibly might achieve LTE in the US has anyone had any experiences at all?
WillMyPhoneWork.net says that it may work, just looking to see if anyone can confirm.
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N166A LOG1K said:
Hello fellow members,
I was wondering if anyone could verify this for me.
I see that the 802L possibly might achieve LTE in the US has anyone had any experiences at all?
WillMyPhoneWork.net says that it may work, just looking to see if anyone can confirm.
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It does achieve LTE speeds on both USA ATT and Tmobile. You just need to set the APN in the settings. It is just as fast as my Galaxy Note 4 on Tmobile. If anyone is wondering, YES, It works great with voice calls. I love the reaction people give me when I whip out an 8 inch brick and start holding it to my head.

lordhuynh said:
It does achieve LTE speeds on both USA ATT and Tmobile. You just need to set the APN in the settings. It is just as fast as my Galaxy Note 4 on Tmobile. If anyone is wondering, YES, It works great with voice calls. I love the reaction people give me when I whip out an 8 inch brick and start holding it to my head.
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Can you attach a screen shot where it actually say LTE on the top bar please?

Stupid double post

The picture from the seller does not show an earpiece on the top of the screen of the Huawei 802L. Can you provide a picture of your phablet? thanks...

I have the 802l. And have been using in okc metro on tmo for most of 2016. Lte/voice/data works flawlessly and gets same rates as note 3. 8 core cpu so overall experience is great. Speaker outputs on top and bottom sides so when using dialer top side speaker is activated at earpiece rate. Bluetooth or wired headset is strongly advised to cut back on the number of people asking if its really a phone. No band 19 coverage but personal research has lead me to believe this band is negligible. I ordered from eBay seller ~$320 shipped. From Taipei Taiwan to my okc door in less than 24 hours. no joke.

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I have the 802l. And have been using in okc metro on tmo for most of 2016. Lte/voice/data works flawlessly and gets same rates as note 3. 8 core cpu so overall experience is great. Speaker outputs on top and bottom sides so when using dialer top side speaker is activated at earpiece rate. Bluetooth or wired headset is strongly advised to cut back on the number of people asking if its really a phone. No band 19 coverage but personal research has lead me to believe this band is negligible. I ordered from eBay seller ~$320 shipped. From Taipei Taiwan to my okc door in less than 24 hours. no joke.
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Can you please help me with this?
1. Did you end up buying the standard (2GB) model or the Premium (3GB) one? If it's the premium one, can you point me to the right seller?
2. How do you like the cameras? I have an X2 which has better spec'd cameras
3. How is the battery life? My X2 has a larger battery (5000 mAh) so I'm not sure how this one would fare in comparison.
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Can you please help me with this?
1. Did you end up buying the standard (2GB) model or the Premium (3GB) one? If it's the premium one, can you point me to the right seller?
2. How do you like the cameras? I have an X2 which has better spec'd cameras
3. How is the battery life? My X2 has a larger battery (5000 mAh) so I'm not sure how this one would fare in comparison.
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I got the 2gb from love.taiwan.
Cameras are average for a mobile imo. I dont do much shooting.
Battery is better than average for a phablet but dont expect same results. I plug in if im gonna watch a video or when I can. I wanted the x2 but went with m2 because of network/band coverage.
CORRECTION* its not b19 coverage issue but another. Make sure you double check band coverage device/service provider. Im lacking coverage on one band but ive never had speed or lte or 3g problems. I use frequencycheck.com

aaron73072 said:
I got the 2gb from love.taiwan.
Cameras are average for a mobile imo. I dont do much shooting.
Battery is better than average for a phablet but dont expect same results. I plug in if im gonna watch a video or when I can. I wanted the x2 but went with m2 because of network/band coverage.
CORRECTION* its not b19 coverage issue but another. Make sure you double check band coverage device/service provider. Im lacking coverage on one band but ive never had speed or lte or 3g problems. I use frequencycheck.com
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Hi, I'm confused about your last comment.
I did try the 802L on ATT here near Atlanta but did not see LTE working....(??) I'm confused as to what you meant about "another issue." Thanks! (perhaps my APN settings weren't right, but I'm not sure. Frequencycheck.com shows it lacking some support for the right bands.
Thanks!

I personally can confirm the M2-802L works on full LTE with T-Mobile USA.
From what I can tell, the only US LTE bands that work on this phone is B2, and B4.

I've been using the 802l for about a month now on Ting's GSM network. Using Ting's GSM APN settings to the letter I routinely get download speeds faster than on my Mediapad X2 702l on the same network in the same locations. Note that my 802l has never said "LTE" on the top bar; it shows a "4G" icon for speeds above HSPA+. My X2 702l says "H+" (HSPA+) at best, never "4G" (the X2 is known not to get U.S. LTE bands).
Also, voice calls work great on the 802l. When calling without Bluetooth the sound comes out of the top speaker but is loud enough for most conversations.

Slow Verizon LTE speeds?

I've been having consistently awful LTE speeds ever since I got my Pixel 2 XL. Anyone else?
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Mine is pretty good.

Im not on VZW, but when using any speedtesting app, you should try more than 1 destination. The one the app selects is not always the best, and will give skewed results.

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Im not on VZW, but when using any speedtesting app, you should try more than 1 destination. The one the app selects is not always the best, and will give skewed results.
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Yup, I have been. Still getting abysmal numbers. Same using the fast.com site by Netflix. Panama City Beach is a pretty big city, Verizon signal here should be great. Not sure what's wrong...
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You should install SignalCheck Lite/Pro. This will tell you exactly what band you're on. Most common are 13, 4, and 2. Not that it's easy to change your band, but cycling airplane mode might help.
If you're on Band 13 (700 MHz) with that kind of signal, and live in a populated area, I'm not surprised.
Band 4 and 2 offer higher capacities/faster speeds. These are also known as LTE Advanced/XLTE (old term) (1700 and 1900 mhz I believe).
Cycling airplane mode may put you on 2 or 4. Signal will probably be weaker, but will be faster. The higher the frequency, the harder it is for signal to penetrate through objects, walls, and other stuff. But higher frequency offers more bandwidth capabilities.

bigblueshock said:
You should install SignalCheck Lite/Pro. This will tell you exactly what band you're on. Most common are 13, 4, and 2. Not that it's easy to change your band, but cycling airplane mode might help.
If you're on Band 13 (700 MHz) with that kind of signal, and live in a populated area, I'm not surprised.
Band 4 and 2 offer higher capacities/faster speeds. These are also known as LTE Advanced/XLTE (old term) (1700 and 1900 mhz I believe).
Cycling airplane mode may put you on 2 or 4. Signal will probably be weaker, but will be faster. The higher the frequency, the harder it is for signal to penetrate through objects, walls, and other stuff. But higher frequency offers more bandwidth capabilities.
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I've tried cycling airplane mode as suggested, but it always locks into 700. Never any other bands.
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I guess I'm going to have to take it to Verizon today and see if they know what's wrong.
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Briankbl said:
I guess I'm going to have to take it to Verizon today and see if they know what's wrong.
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What data plan are you on?

New Rising said:
What data plan are you on?
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Unlimited
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Briankbl said:
Unlimited
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Have you used over 22gb?

New Rising said:
Have you used over 22gb?
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Nope, still under 10
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Maybe thats all your area has... 700 mhz. If thats the case, could always look into a different provider if it’s a possibility

bigblueshock said:
Maybe thats all your area has... 700 mhz. If thats the case, could always look into a different provider if it’s a possibility
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I've had Verizon in the past and the signal was really good. It's just an issue on this particular phone. My friends with Verizon have no issues.
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Briankbl said:
I've had Verizon in the past and the signal was really good. It's just an issue on this particular phone. My friends with Verizon have no issues.
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I don't think it's the phone, I'm on Verizon and lots of days I get the same speeds you're showing and then the next day I'm getting really good speeds. It's the same way on my Nexus 5X I strongly believe it's just their Network and some days it's just crap and there's no way around it.

I have the same issue. Was averaging 9-10 Mbps and now less than 0.2 always. I think it's the phone. Went to a bigger City where I have had speeds over 40 Mbps( not with the Pixel 2 XL) and no change. Upload speeds are really high always. Even at home I can upload at 20-25 but only download at 0.2. I'm on the new unlimited and only used 5 gb so far.
Was using Droid turbo 2 before switching to the Pixel 2 XL. Was actually faster when I had Oreo 8.0.

Verizon has been limiting speeds for everyone lately due to high network traffic they slow it after 50GB if you have unlimited and that's bs in my opinion I mean hell I pay for the beyond plan

Why speedtest shows LTE instead of 5G

In my city, speedtest shows the network as LTE even when the phone shows 5G. Initially I thought it could be due to speedtest not recognizing the network correctly but today when I traveled to a neighbor city, speedtest recognized the network there as 5G, so it knows the difference. Then why is it still showing my city's network as LTE but not 5G? Any idea?
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None having this issue?
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because some 5g networks are using LTE bands for uploads
so the website is not seeing this as true 5G - maybe in the future when subwave gets more spread

In either case, those aren't even good speeds on an LTE network!

I agree with the previous post - those 5G speeds are much less than what we are getting on LTE in Milwaukee (for the most part anyway) - we don't have 5G yet- and honestly, I am really looking forward to it - but I hope that when it is available, we get better speeds than your 5G Speedtest shows....by the way, what market are you in ? Just curious

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I agree with the previous post - those 5G speeds are much less than what we are getting on LTE in Milwaukee (for the most part anyway) - we don't have 5G yet- and honestly, I am really looking forward to it - but I hope that when it is available, we get better speeds than your 5G Speedtest shows....by the way, what market are you in ? Just curious
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I am in Illinois on T-Mobile. Attached are the speeds in other end of my city. Same speeds on both LTE and 5G where it recognizes the difference but I guess the tower at my home is not upgraded.
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I am in Illinois on T-Mobile. Attached are the speeds in other end of my city. Same speeds on both LTE and 5G where it recognizes the difference but I guess the tower at my home is not upgraded.View attachment 4972711
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That certainly looks better - I don't know what to expect from ATT as far as 5G goes - I have read that it brings speeds of over 1000GBS but I dont know if that is true or not - and I don't know when ATT will make that happen here in Milwaukee - hopefully sometime this year.

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That certainly looks better - I don't know what to expect from ATT as far as 5G goes - I have read that it brings speeds of over 1000GBS but I dont know if that is true or not - and I don't know when ATT will make that happen here in Milwaukee - hopefully sometime this year.
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Whatever 1000mbps ATT or Verizon is promising is over mmWave which is very limited in range and needs towers for every block to cover the whole city unless you get lucky to have it right on your building but that too only works outdoors mostly. I feel sub 6ghz and 600 mhz 5G would the only feasible ones which may not give the fastest speeds but at least covers more people and provides little better speeds and are easy to deploy.
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Whatever 1000mbps ATT or Verizon is promising is over mmWave which is very limited in range and needs towers for every block to cover the whole city unless you get lucky to have it right on your building but that too only works outdoors mostly. I feel sub 6ghz and 600 mhz 5G would the only feasible ones which may not give the fastest speeds but at least covers more people and provides little better speeds and are easy to deploy.
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I will have to take your word for it because I really don't know that much about it. Only what I have heard - and or read - regardless, it was a game changer when LTE first became a reality and I think - even at the speeds you are getting now is the same kind of thing. Can't wait for it be more universally available.

guys, i do not know about the network in the US, but here is Saudi 5G is coverage is very good in the 5 main cities which covers 60-70%+ of the population, on top of that i got lucky that the 5g tower is only 30 meters from my house, i have a 5G router from huawei and im getting 700mbps + most of the time, and that is also the case on my s20+ however something on my s20+ is strange the 5G is not constant it will work for sometime and then it will go back to 4G, and in order to get back on 5G i have to turn on airplain mode and then turn it off then i will get 5G for like 30-60 mins and again the same process,
is there a way to force it to stay on 5G all the time ?

I tried speedtest with wifi on and actually got less speed than with LTE. I'll try it again when I get into a 5g area in the St. Louis metropolitan area

Assuming you have AT&T ? They are calling LTE+, 5G or 5Ge just like T Mobile mistakenly called HSPA+, 4G years ago when true 4G was supposed to be LTE bands only...
So you are probably picking up 5Ge signal per your carrier but the Speed Test App knows that it is just LTE Enhanced
I also saw another reply about using LTE for upload and a 5G signal for download which is also possible
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T-Mobile is also calling its 600 MHz, Band 71 ..5G but it is not the true 5G Speeds yet, has short range as it needs thousands more towers built out...so it peaks around 225 Mbps and you only get that if you are hugging a tower
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trt *#0011# and check if your phone is really on 5G
sometimes your phone is disconnected from 5G to LTE, but it still keep showing 5G on your phone

Question 5G data speeds are terrible, why?

Testing results in garbage speed (consistently less than 7 Mbps down, less than 1 Mbps up, 20-25 ms ping, 6-8 ms jitter). Signal strength is apparently 38% (-111 dBm). I noticed it was bad sometimes when I was actually out and not at home on my WiFi, but I had to use my hotspot for a few hours since they were doing maintenance on the internet here at home, and it was just terrible. So now I have to ask.... what could be making it so slow? Is it just me, or are others suffering from terrible speed as well? Is it my modem? The area I'm in (Sacramento, CA)? Or is it actually on T-Mobile's end?

Just ran a few Speedtest app 5g tests in Southern Nevada...
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Are any of you on the European ROM?

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Are any of you on the European ROM?
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I'm on EU firmware with T-Mobile network in Texas, and speeds are kinda all over but consistently fast. Odd that it used LTE for most of my tests instead of 5G though.

I'm not sure if it's always just been "bleh" speeds for 5G here or not, but seeing as how this is the first 5G device I've owned, it's hard to say if it's on my end or theirs.
Nope, must be something on my end. Their map says my area has "5G Ultra Capacity" so that can't be the issue.

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I'm not sure if it's always just been "bleh" speeds for 5G here or not, but seeing as how this is the first 5G device I've owned, it's hard to say if it's on my end or theirs.
Nope, must be something on my end. Their map says my area has "5G Ultra Capacity" so that can't be the issue.
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Might just be your testing locations. 5g actually performs poorly in home environment for me, about the same as lte for speed but less reliable. I'd check open network maps to determine if you're actually close to a 5g cell tower (not relying on carrier provided maps that tend to skew positively for them), and if so, check if you get better signal outside. If you are close to a tower, get decent speeds outside, but not inside, then getting a signal booster for faster mobile speeds indoor would be needed.

It is definitely testing location. When I test at home, the speed is slower than 4g by a lot. When I test at work in NYC I have mind blowing speeds. Faster than my IPS at home.
Here is a screenshot of my 5g in NYC

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It is definitely testing location. When I test at home, the speed is slower than 4g by a lot. When I test at work in NYC I have mind blowing speeds. Faster than my IPS at home.
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Are they consistently like that? The results I mentioned above were at home. But I tested again yesterday while I was out, at a grocery store just down the street a few blocks, and I got 19.9 up/ 3.98 down (which is better, but still pretty sad).

GuyInDogSuit said:
Are they consistently like that? The results I mentioned above were at home. But I tested again yesterday while I was out, at a grocery store just down the street a few blocks, and I got 19.9 up/ 3.98 down (which is better, but still pretty sad).
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I wouldn't be able to tell you honestly because I do not live in NYC. I commute there for work. I have one ran speed test there 2 times and both times I had blazing fast speed like that. Over at my house, the 5g is poor and I only use 4g.

@GuyInDogSuit I've been having the same issues lately. Not sure what's been going on. T-Mobile OP9P converted to DA firmware, using Family Mobile SIM connected using T-Mobile APN.
Was surprised to get these results today. Went to download an app update using mobile data, realized it downloaded in two seconds, so I figured I'd speed test it. I live in ****ty Ohio lol.

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@GuyInDogSuit I've been having the same issues lately. Not sure what's been going on. T-Mobile OP9P converted to DA firmware, using Family Mobile SIM connected using T-Mobile APN.
Was surprised to get these results today. Went to download an app update using mobile data, realized it downloaded in two seconds, so I figured I'd speed test it. I live in ****ty Ohio lol.
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Holy mackerel!!
Anyway, to update on this.... It would seem it is definitely something in the area, and not just the 5G. I tested the LTE on my tablet and got piss-poor results on that as well. 9.89 down, 0.07 up. Yikes.

They're fine here

I was all over the place today, in at least two different counties, and tested several times. The speeds weren't spectacular, but they were still much better than the sadness I get at home. I should look into some ways to improve that, especially since it will be my only source of internet for a few days next week.