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I really dislike where its positioned, especially as its on the front "half" of the top, so you have to stretch your finger around that much more to hit it
and it feels really flimsy and has like a really week feedback/mechanism to it. have a feeling theres going to be lots of them breaking/packing in already
I'm not delighted with it coming from a G1 but getting used to it.
What I don't like is the positioning - it is right where it rests against my left hand when typing in portrait mode.
This is not a huge issue though on an otherwise superb phone.
Anyone know if there is an app that mimics the pressing of this button? When I'm finished doing whatever I like to lock the phone myself rather than wait for the timer to do it, the button placement annoys me so a quick app shortcut would be nice, or even better a hardware button re-assignment as I never use the search key.
I think once we get root access this could be done. For now there is the option of using alternate lock screen apps from the market. But for now we're stuck with the power button. This is my ONLY problem with my Desire. Not even a problem more a niggle.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest personally
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I really dislike where its positioned, especially as its on the front "half" of the top, so you have to stretch your finger around that much more to hit it
and it feels really flimsy and has like a really week feedback/mechanism to it. have a feeling theres going to be lots of them breaking/packing in already
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I thought mine was the only one like this. I am sure once companies start to produce form fitting cases, this will take care of it.
Once "rooting" of this phone starts to get underway...some sort of program will allow the phone to be unlocked without having to use the "unlock" button alone. Or at least remapping the hardware buttons
Hi.
As much as I like my Tilt 2, it's driving me crazy. Why? Because somebody decided to put the reset button underneath the back cover on a Windows Mobile phone!
Because of all the software I have installed, I find that I have to do frequent soft resets. When the OS is running, I can do this through software. If the OS freezes up, however, I have no choice but to remove the back and do a physical reset.
I am currently having major problems with Wunderradio causing frequent freezes and I'm afraid I'm going to wear out the back, snapping it off and on so often. Am I missing something? Can anyone tell me if there's another way?
Thanks!
You didn't tell us wich rom you run. What you could try is this.
In this thread there are different options of soft resetting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585813
Or you can download quickmenu and set it to you're start button (the hardware one). If my sense freezes I can always get quickmenu to start and it has an option to soft reset
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340352
I have used this to great success: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544016
Basically it gives you four choices when pressing the power button: Sleep, Restart, Shutdown and Cancel. Look through the thread for several really nice skins.
These days I use the cab attached; it gives you a WiFi on/off shortcut and a Reset shortcut. It was made for Sense 2.5, but it might work anyway. No harm trying.
I understand what you mean. I've found my device doesn't lock up as much so it hasn't been that big of a pain for me. But when the device first came out i read on some winmo news site about someone that drilled a hole in their case.
Here's one example that i just found from a quick google search. I'll probably do this pretty soon with my dremel.
I used a micro drill, and measured and drilled a hole in the case of mine. Looks like it came from the manufacturer, but I built scale models for years, so it was no big deal.
wow im gonna have to do that, i hate having to take my clear plastic case off, then the back off the phone, just to sr. never thought of drilling a small hole. last thing i woulda thought of is defacing a really nice looking (and expensive) phone. but this is gonna be a must-do for me. please post any tips or techniques that will help me and probly a few others from screwing it up (how to pinpoint exact hole location on back cover, how to avoid crappy lookin jagged hole, etc anything maybe learned thru doing it)
thanks for sharing!!
huggs said:
wow im gonna have to do that, i hate having to take my clear plastic case off, then the back off the phone, just to sr. never thought of drilling a small hole. last thing i woulda thought of is defacing a really nice looking (and expensive) phone. but this is gonna be a must-do for me. please post any tips or techniques that will help me and probly a few others from screwing it up (how to pinpoint exact hole location on back cover, how to avoid crappy lookin jagged hole, etc anything maybe learned thru doing it)
thanks for sharing!!
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Me too... somebody post location on the side of the cover...
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Me too... somebody post location on the side of the cover...
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Tmo was smart enough to put the reset hole on the outside of the case on their version of the TP2...but forgot that on the HD2, and I miss that even more than I miss the hardware keyboard!
For those of you who are interested in drilling a hole in the side of your case to get access your reset button, I might suggest that you first mark the exact spot you need it drilled, and then take it down to your local hobby (model) shop...they will most likely have (or know) somebody that can drill you a nice clean precise hole exactly where you need it, if you slip them a little cash. As MustangBond (p51d007) mentioned above, model-builders will have both the tools and the expertiese to do this much quicker, easier, and with more professional-looking results than the average Joe could make happen
Solved...Thanks!
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You didn't tell us wich rom you run.
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You're right. Guess I forgot where I was! I'm running the stock ROM for now; I have enough problems, without adding yet another variable.
Thanks, everyone, for your suggestions. Of course, a hardware button is the obvious solution. I own a copy of AE Button Plus and actually had the PTT long press set to soft reset, but it wasn't working, and I'd forgotten about it. However, I'd downloaded Rhodium Keyboard Controller a while ago, so after reading the comments here I decided to give it a try. I now have a working soft reset without having to drill a hole in the back. (Yes, I had considered that. However, I'm NOT a model builder and it would be a big deal for me!)
Some of the suggested applications look very interesting as well, so I'll be looking into them.
Thanks again!
For me the issue is even worse because I use a transparent plastic shell snapped onto the back and front of the device for protection. It is not all that easy to remove.
I just used Keyboard Controller to make the device soft reset upon triple clicking the power button.
Obviously does not work in all cases, but most of them.
It's only been 1 week and the poor quality, flimsy back cover is showing wear and tear. It won't get into its allocated slot, and by the looks of it, seems that it became a fraction shorter.
It always seems click in better for me if I start at the bottom and work up.
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It's only been 1 week and the poor quality, flimsy back cover is showing wear and tear. It won't get into its allocated slot, and by the looks of it, seems that it became a fraction shorter.
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You're not putting it in correctly. Gotta make sure the bottom tabs are before you start snapping the rest. I have more success getting the right tab in first and messing around till the other tab falls in and the bottom of the cover kisses the phone.
My grandma beat me down and took my nexus. Sent from a jitterbug with beats by dre.
SOLVED: Thanks to this guy from androidcentral:
"Originally Posted by DBVille: And, make SURE the hooks aren't bent up. I am betting the hooks have been bent up, at least on one side, from trying to push it closed. (dont ask how I know). Look very closely at the hooks. Put your finger nail under them and pry them up/apart from the back if they are too close to the cover to engage the clips on the phone. When done right, it just snaps on. But, you must get the bottom done first."
The hooks were bent up... fixed them with my nails. Now it snaps back on. Still pretty cheap though.
Or user error?
My grandma beat me down and took my nexus. Sent from a jitterbug with beats by dre.
you're not supposed to snap in the bottom hooks, you lock them in first, then snap in the ones rest...
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you're not supposed to snap in the bottom hooks, you lock them in first, then snap in the ones rest...
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+1 this is how I do it...common sense...
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Happen to me too the first week. I'm a pro now.
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God, the build quality and camera are a real disappointment on this phone. thanks for the tip on bending up the tabs.. worked for me..
never the OP's fault that he doesnt know how to put the back cover on.. always Samsung's fault for not making it tard proof.
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never the OP's fault he doesnt know how to put the back cover on.. always Samsung's fault for not making tard proof.
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Admittedly the back cover of the GN is one of the more complicated ones to put back onto the phone.
Do not force it on - if you do it right, it will go back on with just a little pressure. Like others said before you have to start at the bottom latches and work your way up from there. Note that the bottom latches are different from the others and do not snap in like the rest.
I'm extremely pleased with the build quality of this phone! A product feels VERY well build when you can't make it flex slightly or make the battery cover creak by squeasing the phone a certain way! Looking at you, HTC! The DInc, Thunderbolt, and Rezound that I've had all suffered from that. (Though I couldn't make the Thunderbolt flex)
And anytime you drop an HTC phone, first the battery door flies in the air, then the battery pops out -.-
Samsung on the other hand, the Nexus is VERY solid, battery door doesn't creak nor does the frame. No creaking sounds at all. I cannot flex the phone. What is it with people dissing Samsung for making plastic phones, what do you want them to do? Engineer a new compound? Geez
As so many have pointed out, the cover doesn't snap at the bottom; you start there by inserting the bottom hooks, then snap the sides and top.
In fact, I've found the easiest, most effective way to do it is laying out face down, insert the bottom hooks, then zip up both sides together with my thumbs, finishing with effortlessly snapping the top in.
As for the build, I couldn't disagree more strongly. The back design is brilliant. The phone overall is rock solid, and has solved the common back pop-off battery pop-out of most phones today.
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I was at a Verizon store last night. Picked up the phone from the display they had it in. The back cover fell off along with the security device. Does the cover have issues staying on? Would a case solve this issue?
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I was at a Verizon store last night. Picked up the phone from the display they had it in. The back cover fell off along with the security device. Does the cover have issues staying on? Would a case solve this issue?
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There is no issue if you put it on correctly.
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Careful because our store model had a broken back cover since day one. Two sided take is holding it together at the moment.
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I was at a Verizon store last night. Picked up the phone from the display they had it in. The back cover fell off along with the security device. Does the cover have issues staying on? Would a case solve this issue?
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Happens at all the stores. Some have ziptied the backcover back on . However, it really is a non issue. In the case of the store phones, the heavy security device that is glued onto the back cover, pulls very hard at the back cover and it creates issues. In reality, given that it is a completely flat piece of plastic that is sitting flush against your phone with no handles, there is no way to exert even remotely the same amount of outward forces on the back cover.
While removing and putting on the backcover doesn't feel great, the cover does a great job, helps keep the phone slim and light, and looks pretty damn good. The store model did put me off due to this same issue with the security device, but I have had absolutely no issues with the backcover, or the phone feeling flimsy (and I came to the GN from the OG!).
LOL the back cover is well built imo. Just because it is thin does not mean it is of poor construction.The people who are having problems just aren't bothering to learn how to put it on. You don't just snap the whole thing on. Put any backcover on incorrectly and you risk damaging it.
I remove my back cover regularly to swap SIMs and although I've had it since release day not only does it look the same as it did when I bought it but it functions perfectly too (stays on nice and tight).
TLDR; If your tabs are bent you're doing it wrong. Don't blame design for your lack of intelligence.
Thank you for the replies. It is reassuring.
I found it funny that the security really didn't work for this device. Since the alarm didn't go off when the back fell off.
Bottom tabs get bent up
I've had my GN for a little over a week. The problem that I have, and I assume the others have, is that the tabs at the bottom get bent up so that they can't hook in.
I bent them down with my fingernail so that they are horizontal again, and it clicked in fine.
My concern is that this is already a problem after a week, and plastic can only take so much bending and fatigue before it totally breaks, which will eventually occur. I would imagine that at least some people who have had their GNs since launch have already experienced this.
Frankly, I think this is a manufacturing issue that Samsung should ultimately address.
How is it possible to hold this tab in portrait mode with those stupid hardware buttons located at where my left had is supposed to grip the tab?
I think this will be a turnoff for people who intend to use the tablet mainly for reading and annotating textbook, unless there is an option to disable hardware buttons while in portrait mode or completely disable them and replace them with software buttons with orientation.
The alternative will be holding the tablet upside down with the left hand gripping the camera
btw this is the only issue holding me from buying this tab
It seems like people are making a bigger issue out of this than it actually is. The long side is around 10 inches long and the buttons might take up three. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it without accidental button presses. In my opinion, having the menu button just below my thumb is a welcome feature.
Since the buttons are on the long side, that is the default way of holding it. Now the question is that if you are holding it with left hand, why you don't simply rotate it to other direction?
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Since the buttons are on the long side, that is the default way of holding it. Now the question is that if you are holding it with left hand, why you don't simply rotate it to other direction?
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Being a right handed person i hold the tab by the left hand and write/turn pages by the right.
I'm not sure if holding the tab by the camera is a wise idea, for the risk of accidentally touching the camera lens.
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It seems like people are making a bigger issue out of this than it actually is. The long side is around 10 inches long and the buttons might take up three. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it without accidental button presses. In my opinion, having the menu button just below my thumb is a welcome feature.
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It may be only me but I'm more comfortable holding the tab from the middle of the left side.
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Being a right handed person i hold the tab by the left hand and write/turn pages by the right.
I'm not sure if holding the tab by the camera is a wise idea, for the risk of accidentally touching the camera lens.
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Well I don't see why touch the lens is that bad thing, as it usually is the part of phone, for exsample, which is touching table etc. And any fingerprints can be easily wiped from the lens. But that is just me.
ps. I don't understand using covers with phones either, with tablet they are more useful.
Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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Well I don't see why touch the lens is that bad thing, as it usually is the part of phone, for exsample, which is touching table etc. And any fingerprints can be easily wiped from the lens. But that is just me.
ps. I don't understand using covers with phones either, with tablet they are more useful.
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For me phone cover is more important since I drop it frequently unlike the tab
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Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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You are right about the back camera but the front one i use frequently for video calls.
Looks like i'm the only one that actually likes the idea of a hard button! it's an instant access to home, not being able to do this on a nexus annoys me, but i don't see why this should be a deal breaker really.
Han Solo 1 said:
Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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Say what you will but I think an inch bezel around the whole tablet is necessary, how else you plan on holding the thing if there is no room for your thumb. I could care less about what any isheep has to say about my tablet.
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thank god it has a thin bezel and a hard button. finally i'm convinced to buy a tablet.
I was holding of for years until there was one like this one. why dont you guys that want a thick bezel get one of the other dozen tablets that have the design you want. they have been out for years.
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Looks like i'm the only one that actually likes the idea of a hard button! it's an instant access to home, not being able to do this on a nexus annoys me, but i don't see why this should be a deal breaker really.
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While im not crazy about the idea I do have a Note 2 and already i'm use to them being there.
Actually I can see some benefits....
I'm sure you can disable the buttons or a program will come out that can.
In fact here is a rough draft on how to hack them...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34247225&postcount=14
The reason why they have physical buttons is because since 4.2 and up, the tablet UI became the phone UI. So you no longer had a bar at the bottom, one side with cappy buttons and the other with the notification drawer.
Instead you have a status bar like on phones AND a bar at the bottom for only three buttons. Less screen estate, especially considering that Samsung would use the Home, Back and Menu buttons in capacitive form. That takes away quite a bit of screen space and you can see it happening especially in videos. To get what I mean, take a look at the 4.2.2 firmware for the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. More screen is lost because the design guidelines have changed.
What Samsung's done is take away the bottom bar and used the physical buttons instead. Not the best solution but it allows for more screen space. On the Note, it'd be a bit of a shame to have about a centimetre thick part of that awesome screen taken up by three buttons.
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Soryuu said:
The reason why they have physical buttons is because since 4.2 and up, the tablet UI became the phone UI. So you no longer had a bar at the bottom, one side with cappy buttons and the other with the notification drawer.
Instead you have a status bar like on phones AND a bar at the bottom for only three buttons. Less screen estate, especially considering that Samsung would use the Home, Back and Menu buttons in capacitive form. That takes away quite a bit of screen space and you can see it happening especially in videos. To get what I mean, take a look at the 4.2.2 firmware for the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. More screen is lost because the design guidelines have changed.
What Samsung's done is take away the bottom bar and used the physical buttons instead. Not the best solution but it allows for more screen space. On the Note, it'd be a bit of a shame to have about a centimetre thick part of that awesome screen taken up by three buttons.
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I agree with this. Though I am not a huge fan of the physical buttons I really like that it has the extra screen real-estate.
someone will mod it soon. i've actually gotten used to the buttons on my gn8. the only time hate em is when gaming. the rom I use has a mod to turn them off and only make them useable via spen. you'll get used to it too. you may never like it, but you can find a work around.
As someone who owns this tablet the physical buttons are a huge step backwards. Why? That POS menu key. Coming from the original Note 10.1 it's ridiculous constantly hitting that menu button to find out if it has a menu available. Compare to the original Note 10.1 where menu options appear in the action bar. Samsung has completely ruined the tablet experience with their incredibly stupid design choices. This tablet is such a huge pain to navigate. Why can't somebody else offer a Wacom stylus on their 10" Android tablet? I wish Google would throw an S Pen'ish stylus on their Nexus 10 so I can rid myself of Samsung's incompetence. I've never had such a frustrating tech purchase.
I have a Note II with a physical menu key but it's not nearly as frustrating because everything is so close together. I feel like my hand is running a marathon with this tablet having to move all ovef the place to navigate the UI.
I love the S Pen. It works beautifully. The screen is gorgeous. It's not a brick like some other high resolution tablets. It's very powerful and fast. Why oh why did they throw hardware keys on this thing and muck everything up. I would gladly take the black bar on the bottom with home, task switch and back if I could.
The disable hardware keys mod cannot come fast enough for me.
i'm not really diggin the physical buttons either. there's enough screen real estate to have the nav bar on the bottom. the home button is ok, but the menu and back have becoe more and more of a nuisance. i tolerate them on the gn8 b/c of the extra screen area i get plus using the soft nav buttons hack doesn't hide button properly in full screen video.
i can get use them being there on the note10 but i don't won't like them better than soft nav buttons. i hope if they hack it that it'll properly hide in full screen.
I haven't read the posts in this thread, but I wanted to comment that I happen to like the hard buttons. I'm right handed and hold it with my left like OP. I like that I can reach the option, home and return buttons (this is what you all mean by "hard buttons" right?) with my thumb. The design feels very intuitive and quite natural. I also recently found out that you can quickly access the task manager by holding down the home button. It will open up a menu similar to the menu that opened when you pressed the double rectangle button on the older model. The more time I spend with this device the more I love it. My mom is actually getting the new Note 3 so she's going to let me have her Note 2. I can finally get rid of this iphone 3 that came free with my contract.
Its been 1 week since i bought my s9, and it's buttons started to wiggle a bit. Is it normal?
I used the case that comes with in the box.
You must have gotten a special package or deal from Samsung, because most people around the world do not get cases included with the phone. I mean, look at the S9 box and how it is packed; everything is very densely fit in the packaging. There's no room to add a case.
On my S9+ the buttons do also wiggle a tiny bit. Not so much that you'd ever be able to actually see them wiggling, but just when I slide a finger over the volume button or power button, I can feel them shift a tiny amount under my finger. It doesn't worry me though; there's another button underneath the button we see in the casing that actually activates the function; what you're feeling (probably) is just the tiny gap between the case button, and the functional button under it.
I mean, is this your first smartphone? This wiggle I'm feeling on the S9 is the same as what I felt on my S8 and S7. But perhaps you're coming from another phone creator that has slightly different feeling buttons.