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I just got my G3, which I've been eagerly awaiting. Main reason I bought this was my understanding it would support 192kHz/24 bit audio like the G2. However, any attempt to play anything higher than 96kHz, plays back in MONO.
I have just spent 90 minutes with T-Mo support and then LG - both were clueless. So I hoping some of you kind folks would check this out on your phone, if you can.
Hi-res files that play fine on my PC, play in Mono on the G3. The same file converted to 96kHz/24bit format play in stereo. I am using WAV annd FLAC files. Thanks to all! - FRUSTRATED NEW OWNER
Have you read this? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html ?
Apparently humans can't even hear the difference. It's more of a gimmick.
What kind of headphones are you using that you think 24/192 will benefit you?
I'm not sure why it's not working though.
DigitalChris602 said:
Have you read this? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html ?
Apparently humans can't even hear the difference. It's more of a gimmick.
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Argh... Why'd you go and post that article? I just spent 15mins reading it all and it's soooooo long.... :crying:
Don't get me wrong, it's informative and predicated on evidence and I was curious, but soooooo long. And I actually read it all. Why did I do that?
Now I think I'm hearing things.... :silly:
Sorry to go OT, but the sounds told me to do it. :victory:
DigitalChris602 said:
Apparently humans can't even hear the difference. It's more of a gimmick.
What kind of headphones are you using that you think 24/192 will benefit you?
I'm not sure why it's not working though.
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I really don't want to get into a discussion of the value of 24/192 - it's a feature that I paid for and frankly the thing that sold me on the LG. And I am amazed that even LG Tech Support is clueless as to whether this is supported or not... I had to educate them about sampling rates!
So, I downloaded a 3rd party player (Neutron) and another which I can't recall. They WERE able to play my hi-res files in stereo, so it appears Google Play is buggy.
Portland_LG_G3 said:
I really don't want to get into a discussion of the value of 24/192 - it's a feature that I paid for and frankly the thing that sold me on the LG. And I am amazed that even LG Tech Support is clueless as to whether this is supported or not... I had to educate them about sampling rates!
So, I downloaded a 3rd party player (Neutron) and another which I can't recall. They WERE able to play my hi-res files in stereo, so it appears Google Play is buggy.
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So the native G3 music player is what's buggy? Not the G3 hardware itself, correct?
JustLok said:
So the native G3 music player is what's buggy? Not the G3 hardware itself, correct?
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Yes, my 24/176k files I loaded played in stereo using two different 3rd party players; but in mono using the stock Google play app. :good:
Portland_LG_G3 said:
I really don't want to get into a discussion of the value of 24/192 - it's a feature that I paid for and frankly the thing that sold me on the LG. And I am amazed that even LG Tech Support is clueless as to whether this is supported or not... I had to educate them about sampling rates!
So, I downloaded a 3rd party player (Neutron) and another which I can't recall. They WERE able to play my hi-res files in stereo, so it appears Google Play is buggy.
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Good point! Hopefully LG fixes the stock app.
Google Play isn't the stock music app. My G3 plays the files in stereo with a hi-def tag for anything over 96k
I'm trying to wrap my head around why LG has removed the EQ functionality in the Google Play Music App. The only LG phone I've ever owned was the Nexus 5 and the built in EQ worked perfectly on that handset, yet I've heard that it's also missing on the G3. This makes absolutely no sense and, as a result, music playback sounds lifeless. I've tried several third party EQ's but there appears to be no rhyme or reason as to when they work and when they don't. And none of them effects the sound over bluetooth. Is this bothering anyone else. If so, have you found an EQ replacement that actually works?
Cm12 maxx audio eq..
I rarely use EQs. Most people just crank up the treble a ton anyways as they think it sounds good when in reality you end up with an artificial sounding turd.
Technically, the EQ was a separate package from the Google Music Play app. Yes, the Nexus 4 and 5's had them, but they do not come prepacked. Every manufacturer has their own version of it, and LG simply decided to opt out.
Swizzle82 said:
Cm12 maxx audio eq..
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Thanks. Will try to figure this one out. I haven't done much 'messing around' with my phone in quite some time. A bit out of practice. It appears to be working on G3 though... so that is promising.
DoctorB0NG said:
I rarely use EQs. Most people just crank up the treble a ton anyways as they think it sounds good when in reality you end up with an artificial sounding turd.
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"If you don't like the way the music sounds then you don't like the music" - My Dad (circa 1994).
I was looking for an EQ and remembered I paid for this one a long time ago, but there is the free version also. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartandroidapps.equalizer Works flawlessly on my G4.
When/if root is available viper is the way to go. If you know what you're doing you can get some good quality sound on some good quality headphones or bt speaker system with viper.
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Cm12 maxx audio eq..
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Needs root it looks like?
bobloadmire said:
Needs root it looks like?
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For it to be fully functional yes. It does however still work. It's about the best Ive found without root or paying for poweramp
Uncle Lizard said:
I was looking for an EQ and remembered I paid for this one a long time ago, but there is the free version also. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartandroidapps.equalizer Works flawlessly on my G4.
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I bought this one as well. It only worked intermittently. Worked great at first. Then after taking a break from music for a few hours I noticed that it sounded flat again. Went into the EQ and messed with the settings but nothing effected the output. Forced closed everything and started things up again but still no dice. Tried a few others as well with similar problems.
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For it to be fully functional yes. It does however still work. It's about the best Ive found without root or paying for poweramp
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Do you have a link to installing this without root. Any instructions I've found require root.
JIW said:
Do you have a link to installing this without root. Any instructions I've found require root.
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Just download the zip extract the apk and install. It's not a major improvement, but it's something..
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I bought this one as well. It only worked intermittently. Worked great at first. Then after taking a break from music for a few hours I noticed that it sounded flat again. Went into the EQ and messed with the settings but nothing effected the output. Forced closed everything and started things up again but still no dice. Tried a few others as well with similar problems.
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That's weird. I'm on T-Mobile with version 10h and I haven't had any problems.
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Just download the zip extract the apk and install. It's not a major improvement, but it's something..
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Thanks. Didn't notice that APK before. Installed without any problems but has no effect on sound output and crashes often. Oh well...
I'm still having this problem and it's driving me crazy. Every app I have tried works on and off. I'm not rooting my phone just for an EQ either. I've tried every app listed in here and more and they work for a while then stop. Has anyone found a reliable 3rd party app that actually works when you need it to?
VLC Player is the answer to all of your problems
I personally use PlayerPro (with the add-on for the Ten Band EQ from the Play Store). I find it can be adjusted to being absolutely perfect (plus the general interface of the app is one of the best I have found for playing music)
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VLC Player is the answer to all of your problems
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Z3ldaFan88 said:
I personally use PlayerPro (with the add-on for the Ten Band EQ from the Play Store). I find it can be adjusted to being absolutely perfect (plus the general interface of the app is one of the best I have found for playing music)
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But these are only going to work with local music files your playing from your phone right? Not going to work if I'm streaming from the play music app right?
Shaffer678 said:
But these are only going to work with local music files your playing from your phone right? Not going to work if I'm streaming from the play music app right?
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I have a stream service set up on my home server and connect to it via VLC. The are ways to connect to other streaming services as well, you just need the URL.
USB Audio Player Pro.
Plays DSD, and FLAC files up to 192000 bit rate on our standard DAC, no USB Hw used.
FLACs get can be played through UAPP at their full glory from non OTG memory.
SACD rips are converted to PCM at 192K from OTG only, which forces you to pick files individuality. If played through UAPP they get downgraded to 44K.
I have tried out every notable player and none sounded like this. I have always preferred vinyl but when Super Audio CDs started growing, I was thrilled. Now I can play my hard drive stash on my phone! Too bad the app does not see OTG.
Playing from OTG is a bit convoluted ( more than a bit ? Depends if you have audiophile ears).
I use File Commander to get UAP to play/find the .dsf or .flac.
Then once playing you can create a playlist as you go. Never having to pick it again with FC.
More on the app's issues with Android 6 http://www.extreamsd.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=155
It isn't easy messing with Mother Android!
File Commander is the only app I can find that does this service well enough. It can be slow on hard drives greater than 200 GB. It is not much good for housekeeping chores.
Update, there are others: File Manager + unlike FC, does a download (efing slow) , X-plore and B1 File too but do not recognize DSD. ES is useless for OTG. Filers are in a sad state for MM on our phone.
I use Solid (not classic) for deleting/ copying.
Note this app does not limit any low or high frequency junk. Vinyl transcriptions that I thought to be OK are not listenable due to pops and clicks.
Be sure to choose Android bit rate as Variable (pic 2).
See pic 1: using FC to load a .DSF (DSD) to UAPP from OTG drive. Pic 4 - 6 settings I used to get 192k.
Pic 7: .dsf (DSD) file residing on internal memory (or sdcard) showing 44k PCM.
Pic 8: the plugin EQ tweeked for my Apple earbuds.
FC
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobisystems.fileman
UAPP
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro
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How is the DAC capable of such? Does it even sound good for a mid range phone or even compared to a dedicated DAC?
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How is the DAC capable of such? Does it even sound good for a mid range phone or even compared to a dedicated DAC?
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As I compare the DSD (.dsf) output from a file residing on OTG (192 k PCM) vs the same from SDcard or internal memory (44k PCM) it is stunning as to stereo imaging and placement of instruments beyond the space in my head. Highs are much smoother as well.
I was considering buying a 40 dollar ESS DAC (micro usb) on Amazon and an adapter. Now ....
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I think that ESS DAC would allow DSD direct!
Also at volume near 100% I notice no clipping of our Amplifier.
aviwdoowks said:
USB Audio Player Pro.
Plays DSD, and FLAC files up to 192000 bit rate on our standard DAC, no USB Hw used.
FLACs get can be played through UAPP at their full glory from non OTG memory.
SACD rips are converted to PCM at 192K from OTG only, which forces you to pick files individuality. If played through UAPP they get downgraded to 44K.
I have tried out every notable player and none sounded like this. I have always preferred vinyl but when Super Audio CDs started growing, I was thrilled. Now I can play my hard drive stash on my phone! Too bad the app does not see OTG.
Playing from OTG is a bit convoluted ( more than a bit ? Depends if you have audiophile ears).
I use FX Commander to get UAP to play/find the .dsf or .flac.
Then once playing you can create a playlist as you go. Never having to pick it again with FX.
More on the app's issues with Android 6 http://www.extreamsd.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=155
It isn't easy messing with Mother Android!
FX is the only app I can find that does this service well enough. It can be slow on hard drives greater than 200 GB. It is not much good for housekeeping chores, I use Solid for deleting/ copying.
Note this app does not limit any low or high frequency junk. Vinyl transcriptions that I thought to be OK are not listenable due to pops and clicks.
Be sure to choose Android bit rate as Variable (pic 2).
See pic 1: using FX to load a .DSF (DSD) to UAPP from OTG drive. Pic 4 - 6 settings I used to get 192k.
Pic 7: .dsf (DSD) file residing on internal memory (or sdcard) showing 44k PCM.
Pic 8: the plugin EQ tweeked for my Apple earbuds.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobisystems.fileman
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro
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How does it compare to the neutron music player. (which I believe holds its own in audio quality)
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How does it compare to the neutron music player. (which I believe holds its own in audio quality)
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This is different when using only the phone and no DAC. Neutron may try to render at higher rates but it never blew me away. Nor is there any acknowledgment of it's output.
In UAPP, I did not have to check the Android output shown on the player screen. It was like night and day.
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How does it compare to the neutron music player. (which I believe holds its own in audio quality)
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Uuap would not have sounded better if I had not checked the android bitrate to be variable.
Standard settings of it and, I think, other players result in 44k output through the phone without any DAC present
Will it work with music on the SD card too? Or does it have to be loaded from OTG?
It does work! My S7 is dead to me! This phone is great. My FiiO Q1 might collect dust.
From audio_Policy.conf
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AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_EARPIECE|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_SPEAKER|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADSET|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_ALL_SCO|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_LINE|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_ANLG_DOCK_HEADSET|AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_HDMI
flags AUDIO_OUTPUT_FLAG_DEEP_BUFFER
}
compress_offload {
sampling_rates 8000|11025|12000|16000|22050|24000|32000|44100|48000|88200|96000|176400|192000
channel_masks AUDIO_CHANNEL_OUT_MONO|AUDIO_CHANNEL_OUT_STEREO
formats AUDIO_FORMAT_MP3|AUDIO_FORMAT_AAC_LC|AUDIO_FORMAT_AAC_HE_V1|AUDIO_FORMAT_AAC_HE_V2|AUDIO_FORMAT_FLAC
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I just made a request for support with a big name player that browses OTG and plays DSD too. Can you guess who?
So I am considering getting this app, however want to make sure it will do what I want it to, LOL.
So I dont have any external USB DAC right now, and normally stream music to my car using Bluetooth to my AudioEngine B1. It sounds good, but looking for the Android DAC to help improve once I start playing my local DSD files and high quality recordings. With this setup, will this improve the sound considerably?
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So I am considering getting this app, however want to make sure it will do what I want it to, LOL.
So I dont have any external USB DAC right now, and normally stream music to my car using Bluetooth to my AudioEngine B1. It sounds good, but looking for the Android DAC to help improve once I start playing my local DSD files and high quality recordings. With this setup, will this improve the sound considerably?
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You may want to wait as UAPP will not browse OTG and said to me, no plans to do it.
Yet PowerAmp does browse now and they say they are tring to support all phone DACs
Go my post in Q & A. Register and submit.
You may not get 192k over BT
banshee28 said:
So I am considering getting this app, however want to make sure it will do what I want it to, LOL.
So I dont have any external USB DAC right now, and normally stream music to my car using Bluetooth to my AudioEngine B1. It sounds good, but looking for the Android DAC to help improve once I start playing my local DSD files and high quality recordings. With this setup, will this improve the sound considerably?
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You can play OTG from a Playlist, it is the only way to get 192k PCM from a dsf too.
I am still on Marshmallow and unrooted. Nougat users, does USB Audio player play high resolution?
Does File Commander browse OTG and pass audio files to the player?
Thanks
Any Nougat stock no root working equalizer software for MZP need advices what to use.
Wysłane z mojego XT1635-02 przy użyciu Tapatalka
Has anyone tested this with a dragonfly?
Locklear308 said:
Has anyone tested this with a dragonfly?
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Splain pleaze
DAC
Right!
I never used a DAC btw.
sebx_g1 said:
Any Nougat stock no root working equalizer software for MZP need advices what to use.
Wysłane z mojego XT1635-02 przy użyciu Tapatalka
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This works for me.
I was searching for a 3rd party app for Equalizer fix coz since last 7.1.1 update Equalizer isn't working, so i found this:
A good looking music player with 10 band support with extra bass and treble, i bet you will not gonna use your stock Equalizer after using this app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n7mobile.nplayer
i am attaching the Equalizer configuration as well [According to my Sony Earphones]
abhishekiswithyou said:
I was searching for a 3rd party app for Equalizer fix coz since last 7.1.1 update Equalizer isn't working, so i found this:
A good looking music player with 10 band support with extra bass and treble, i bet you will not gonna use your stock Equalizer after using this app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n7mobile.nplayer
i am attaching the Equalizer configuration as well
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tho it's a third party app but definitely it works for me again a good sourcing real bass and treble is there, i was not listening to music since last update but now yes finally I'm listening thank you very much
PunkDitto said:
tho it's a third party app but definitely it works for me again a good sourcing real bass and treble is there, i was not listening to music since last update but now yes finally I'm listening thank you very much
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welcome ?
Does it work with Spotify? Because, if I'm correct, it'll only work with the built-in player.
Cheers!
Chyler said:
Does it work with Spotify? Because, if I'm correct, it'll only work with the built-in player.
Cheers!
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yup it's built in, but still the app is awesome
There is another problem with the Pixel 6 (6 and 6 pro) devices. External USB DACs and dongles do not work properly. USB Host API or the DAC offloading and hand-over are bugged. Apps like Tidal, Neutron, USB audio Player Pro crash or can't play music in high res. The problem has already been reported by some users. There has been no statement from Google yet.
A work around for me to get music playing and stop apps freezing was switching off the toggle for "allow all apps use mic" in system/privacy settings.
But this does not solve the issue, as the apps still can not access the USB Dongles or external DACs directly and by pass android system limitations and software processing.
Google skips the 3.5 port and users are forced to use dongles, etc., which do not even work properly.
Google is going the Apple way by certifying hardware that is compatible with the P6P and P6. Their response will be to buy a certified DAC or wait for a software patch
WTF, I don't find the USB PLAYER PRO on playstore... And you?
Myrzul said:
WTF, I don't find the USB PLAYER PRO on playstore... And you?
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This one? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro&hl=en
roirraW edor ehT said:
This one? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro&hl=en
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Yes.. It's not available on my pixel 6 pro.
Myrzul said:
Yes.. It's not available on my pixel 6 pro.
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Maybe they're still using some old Android API and need to start using a newer one. Hopefully, they update it for Android 12.
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Maybe they're still using some old Android API and need to start using a newer one. Hopefully, they update it for Android 12.
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I hope for my DAC too... I'm sad
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I hope for my DAC too... I'm sad
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Try their website https://www.extreamsd.com/ or their support email address [email protected] and let them know. If they're not already actively working on a solution, hopefully they will after you talk to them. Good luck!
They are all aware. I've talked to Davy (USB audio Player Pro). They removed the app for pixel 6 and pixel 6 pro from playstore because of the mentioned issues. The problems have nothing to do with their app. E.g. neutron and tidal are also not working properly or freezing. Google needs to fix their USB DAC hand over.
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They are all aware. I've talked to Davy (USB audio Player Pro). They removed the app for pixel 6 and pixel 6 pro from playstore because of the mentioned issues. The problems have nothing to do with their app. E.g. neutron and tidal are also not working properly or freezing. Google needs to fix their USB DAC hand over.
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Wow, that sucks. I hope they fix that pronto! Otherwise, I smell a class-action lawsuit (not from me).
Is it app specific and/or USB DAC specific? Because my FiiO BTR3K works fine.
Which app are you using?
Some apps can play music, but most can not bypass Android Software processing.
If you e.g. use tidal in MQA the app connects directly to the DAC and plays in high res.
Same does USB audio Player Pro. Then you see at the bottom "DAC" + bit...
Actually if I get it to play music at all, it's just direct mode, which means nothing.
Some dongles and DACs seem to be working, but just in low/software-processed quality.
So the problem is playing REAL high res, instead of android software compressed/processed audio.
Therefore the USB API seems to be broken. So as soon as the app tries to get direct access to the DAC it freezes or crashes.
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Which app are you using?
Some apps can play music, but most can not bypass Android Software processing.
If you e.g. use tidal in MQA the app connects directly to the DAC and plays in high res.
Same does USB audio Player Pro. Then you see at the bottom "DAC" + bit...
Actually if I get it to play music at all, it's just direct mode, which means nothing.
So the problem is playing REAL high res, instead of android software compressed/processed audio.
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Ah gotcha. I don't have anything playing actual high res audio files.
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Ah gotcha. I don't have anything playing actual high res audio files.
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Yeah, maybe you can play some processed, low quality music through your high res DAC. So the DAC is pretty useless, you could use a standard dongle with bull**** chip, as it doesn't matter.
I know a little bit what I'm talking about.
I did some audio ports and worked with UltraM8 and the other dudes on the Ainur Audio mods.
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Yeah, maybe you can play some processed, low quality music through your high res DAC. So the DAC is pretty useless, you could use a standard dongle with bull**** chip, as it doesn't matter.
I know a little bit what I'm talking about.
I was the guy doing the DTS port and worked with UltraM8 and the other dudes on the Ainur Audio mods.
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Yeah I don't even use it wired anyway. I just wanted a very good Bluetooth DAC. For me it's the best of both, using my wired headphones yet not tethered to the device it's connected to.
No issues playing the Hi-Res/Ultra HD music files on Amazon Music through the official Google dongle. Sounds pretty good, can't really tell the difference between it and the V60 that I've had prior.
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
No issues playing the Hi-Res/Ultra HD music files on Amazon Music through the official Google dongle. Sounds pretty good, can't really tell the difference between it and the V60 that I've had prior.
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As far as I know, Amazon app is still limited to phones native sampling rate and does not bypass Android limitations (android mixer). So it does not make use of the external DAC directly. Different story again. But please correct me, if I'm wrong.
But at least it's one DAC that plays some music.
Here the link to the Google support conversation.
What to do about USB-C audio outputs (adaptor + USB DAC) with pixel 6? - Google Pixel Community
I had a OnePlus 6 with Jack 3.5 and I bought a DAC for the Pixel 6 and I find this problem, I hope they will solve it soon. I can play music but with worse quality
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Here the link to the Google support conversation.
What to do about USB-C audio outputs (adaptor + USB DAC) with pixel 6? - Google Pixel Community
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I just read through the conversation and it just baffles me. So the "official" Pixel support forum is run by volunteers who basically tell you "if you have a problem, don't bother us, we just give you pre-prepared text-blocks - if they can't help you, we're out" - if you want "real" support, go and use "feedback form" - meaning you write a wall of text to an known person, won't get any sort of answer or input and have to pray that Google will care?
Uff.
I mean, as a Pixel user you can always try the
-> Settings
-> Tips & Support
-> Contact us
form, that way you can at least write to a person/talk to a human, even though they will most likely also just form a "feedback form" after your conversation, since they are powerless Tier I tech people.
I hope that Google can fix those problems here, so you guys can have fun with your device. Google certainly doesn't deserve the "our phone just works" - status, if they forget to add basic compatibility to common third party hardware.