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Looking for a car charger which will actually charge my phone while in car using navigation and music while using an otg connection for usb card to play music from is this available thanks
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nathlynn22 said:
Looking for a car charger which will actually charge my phone while in car using navigation and music while using an otg connection for usb card to play music from is this available thanks
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maybe you could get an extension for one of these?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-H...g-S2-i9100-S3-i9300-i9220-i9250-/121153413553
^ what he said. One of those, plus a usb cord extension wire and then a usb car charger would be your best solution.
I'm not sure how much power OTG uses, but anything with 2.1A output will charge (very slowly) while using navigation and data. The cable coupled with a 2.1A charger should do the job.
Hope this helps!
nathlynn22 said:
Looking for a car charger which will actually charge my phone while in car using navigation and music while using an otg connection for usb card to play music from is this available thanks
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try it: T & S Electronics Micro USB OTG Cable
it is solidly built, has sturdy connectors, high quality COPPER wiring and is the highest quality USB OTG cable you can get. This is reflected in the fact it is also the highest rated OTG cable on Amazon
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try it: T & S Electronics Micro USB OTG Cable
it is solidly built, has sturdy connectors, high quality COPPER wiring and is the highest quality USB OTG cable you can get. This is reflected in the fact it is also the highest rated OTG cable on Amazon
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Thanks I'll have a look
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maybe you could get an extension for one of these?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-H...g-S2-i9100-S3-i9300-i9220-i9250-/121153413553
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Thanks that might be good as it is for my car cheers presume need different kernel to allow it though
Hello everyone,
Is the pixel c support OTG ? can i use an usb flash drive with the pixel c ? thanks a lot
On twitter Google store answer me : "Mind if we jump in? The Pixel C does not have USB OTG. Hope that helps."
Thanks a lot
Yes. It does have OTG. I have tested it with a USB-C hub and was able to use a usb flash drive and Ethernet my device.
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Yes. It does have OTG. I have tested it with a USB-C hub and was able to use a usb flash drive and Ethernet my device.
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Can you post a link to what your using for a hub?
Hub here works great:
DBPOWER, Hub USB C , 4-Port USB 3.0 Hub for type c devices like the new MacBook, ChromeBook Pixel, smart-phone Nexus 6 and OnePlus 2 (Grey) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B014UPCWDS
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CharlesW123 said:
Hub here works great:
DBPOWER, Hub USB C , 4-Port USB 3.0 Hub for type c devices like the new MacBook, ChromeBook Pixel, smart-phone Nexus 6 and OnePlus 2 (Grey) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B014UPCWDS
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Is it correct that this hub doesn't have power pass through to be able to charge the tablet?
Really like the hub, but didn't buy, as I'd like it to power the tablet too.
I picked up a Griffin USB-C to USB-A adapter, plugged it in to my Pixel C, and plugged a memory stick into the cable. ES File Explorer recignized the memory stick immediately. On the box for the cable it stated that it was for plugging USB peripherals into your tablet.
https://griffintechnology.com/us/usb-c-to-usb-a-adapter
With so many cables not passing Benson Leung's tests, I am a bit unsure with USB-C OTG cable I should get. The original one from Google is 15 € which is kinda expensive...
Does anyone know if he reviewed some USB-C OTG cables? I can't find anything.
It only has full size USB a ports, so can't plug in a charger no.
The battery life is great on he Pixel C though, so all good
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Is it correct that this hub doesn't have power pass through to be able to charge the tablet?
Really like the hub, but didn't buy, as I'd like it to power the tablet too.
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I'm waiting for this one https://www.hypershop.com/products/usb-c-5-in-1-hub-with-pass-though-usb-c-charging to arrive for that exact reason.
skally said:
I'm waiting for this one https://www.hypershop.com/products/usb-c-5-in-1-hub-with-pass-though-usb-c-charging to arrive for that exact reason.
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That one looks very nice!
skally said:
I'm waiting for this one https://www.hypershop.com/products/usb-c-5-in-1-hub-with-pass-though-usb-c-charging to arrive for that exact reason.
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I did see that one, but wondered how it would work with the ucb-c in the position it is on the pixel c? mabook its on the base, but c its on the side of the tablet.
scoobydu said:
I did see that one, but wondered how it would work with the ucb-c in the position it is on the pixel c? mabook its on the base, but c its on the side of the tablet.
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Type C is reversible so it should just flip up like ?
Edit: and I wasnt questioning you I was more posing it as a question to myself But it should just go up the side of it
ZiggSVO said:
Type C is reversible so it should just flip up like ?
Edit: and I wasnt questioning you I was more posing it as a question to myself But it should just go up the side of it
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I agree that you could get it to fit, but not sure I'd want it facing straight up with my cables and sticks attached.
Seems it would stress the port or worse I'd catch it and cause some damage.
I'm thinking of this -> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Galopar-Cha...qid=1450272359&sr=8-22&keywords=usb-c+adapter with a standard usb3 hub attached?
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I'm thinking of this -> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Galopar-Cha...qid=1450272359&sr=8-22&keywords=usb-c+adapter with a standard usb3 hub attached?
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Looks great, but how do you know it is compatible? After Benson Leung's reviews on USB-C cables, I am afraid to purchase any third party accessories...
Sam-X- said:
Looks great, but how do you know it is compatible? After Benson Leung's reviews on USB-C cables, I am afraid to purchase any third party accessories...
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Short answer is I don't at the moment, as have not had a chance to look at the online spreadsheet to see what he has tested and approved.
Will hopefully get to look later.
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Does not appear to be included in the spreadsheet, so likely he has not reviewed.
I tried Google's own USB C to A (female adapter that looks like a otg cable) with a memory stick and it did not work, however I plugged in a USB2 hub into that adapter and then plugged the memory stick into that and it sees to work like a charm with esexplorer, I could also attach other things like a mouse and that worked too at the same time! So the trick is to use a USB hub with Google's adapter first and you can use any USB accessories just not directly into the adapter. I have not tried a USB 3 type hub as I don't have one but I suspect it will be fine and give you even faster speeds.
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There are lots of OTG devices that work perfectly on my Nexus 5x - such as a microSD adapter, USB C ->A with a thumbdrive and my iRig UA guitar adapter
None of these work on my Pixel C.
I just got off a chat with Google support where I was told
"I'm sorry to inform you, at this moment it's not compatible. Be rest assured [sic], our engineers are working on a software fix to make it compatible with the Pixel C."
I responded with a link to the reddit AMA which seemed to state otherwise and the support rep told me that she'd get back to me via email with a response.
You can try plugging a USB 2.0 or 3.0 hub into a USB C>A adapter (mine was the Google adapter and the hub a USB 2 unpowered type) as I did and and that worked for me and I can now access Memory sticks on my Pixel C with no extra software (not sure about your iRig but it worked with other accessories I tried plugging into the hub).
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e3phillip said:
You can try plugging a USB 2.0 or 3.0 hub into a USB C>A adapter (mine was the Google adapter and the hub a USB 2 unpowered type) as I did and and that worked for me and I can now access Memory sticks on my Pixel C with no extra software (not sure about your iRig but it worked with other accessories I tried plugging into the hub).
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Thanks, I'll try with a hub. I just don't understand why a hub is required for the Pixel-C but not for the Nexus 5x
There certainly seems to be a less complete stack in the Pixel-c -vs- the Nexus 5x.
Interestingly when I insert a cable into the Nexus 5x I get a dialog to set the usb mode:
"Use USB for
- Charging
- Power Supply
- File Transfers
- Photo transfer (PTP)
- Midi"
Where as the Pixel-C only gets "Power Supply" as an option.
This is interesting. Basically this guy is saying USB-C doesn't support proprietary charging above 5 volts which is why Google didn't use Quick Charge for the Nexus 6P.
Maybe this is also why Samsung didn't use USB-C because they wanted to safely use Quick Charge?
http://phandroid.com/2016/04/21/lg-g5-htc-10-usb-type-c/
This is going to be posted all over and its basically nonsense. The current QC 2.0 over micro usb are also using 9-12volts. And micro usb also only supports 5v. So. It's no different then it's ever been.
Get a QC3.0 compatible charger/cable and be done.
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This is going to be posted all over and its basically nonsense. The current QC 2.0 over micro usb are also using 9-12volts. And micro usb also only supports 5v. So. It's no different then it's ever been.
Get a QC3.0 compatible charger/cable and be done.
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Quoted for truth.
Quickcharge checks before sending down higher voltages. It's fully backwards compatible even if it's not part of the USB specs. There is no additional danger from what you had before.
I follow
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts
for his tested products and I think everyone will be fine.
Qualcomm has a list as well
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/q...ge-device-list
chazall1 said:
I follow
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts
for his tested products and I think everyone will be fine.
Qualcomm has a list as well
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/q...ge-device-list
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Qualcomm link isn't working.
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Qualcomm link isn't working.
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https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
This is total BS!!
I have the HTC 10 in my hands, it is quick charging with no issues.
Also, take the Apple Macbook as an example, the laptop uses an USB-C port to charge, it inputs 14.5V with 2A.
If the USB-C meets the USB-Power-Delivery standard, it can transfer up to 100W of power. Don't believe the BS article.
Edit: It seems that Qualcomm uses their own implementation, but still it is transferring voltage over 5 volts
Is the article supposed to say that not all USB-C cables can support it? Maybe the cheap ones can't?
Didn't Amazon just yank a bunch of cheaply made USB-C cables from their marketplace?
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Here's my take. I have always been under the impression the device dictates the watts and volts not the charger. The charger has a range it will draw power, and the phone tells the charger how much it needs. QC standard is UP TO and is not absolute. So if the device tells the charger I want 15W/5V that's what it'll get.
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I've been trying to research and I have come up with a conclusion. This is only my opinion, but I have based it off of hours of research. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Is QC QuickCharge 3.0 charger going to hurt my phone or anyy other devices I may plug into it?
Best I can figure is no. QC 3.0 chargers are designed to only fast charge if it is connected to a QC 3.0 device. Before it starts fast charging, it does a negotiation withh the device to verify if it supports QC 3.0. "Also, since Quick Charge is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge will not be available. " : Source
Can my HTC 10 be charged qith a non QC 3.0 charger?
The simple answer is yes. If you use one of the many non-QC 3.0 chargers that you have laying around, it will charge your phone just fine. This is as long as you use a compliant cable with the 56k ohm resistor. More on that next.
Does it matter which USB cable I use?
This one is tricky. I do not have an HTC 10 yet, but I have heard that it comes with a USB 2.0 Type A to USB 3.0 Type C cable. I can't find the source now, but it was in the Mega Thread. If this is true, than you should be able to use any cable this spec or better. By better I mean a USB 3.0 Type A to USB 3.1 Type 3 cable should work fine. The most important part is that the USB cable MUST have a 56k ohm resister. There have been some cheap cables using a 10k ohm resister that could cause problems. These problems could result in the port on the device or the charger getting damaged.
Will the HTC 10 work with a USB-PD charger?
Well first, USB-PD stands for USB-Power Delivery. This is the new USB fast charging standard set by the USB gods. This technology allows devices to receive more power and thus would allow a phone to charge more quickly. This is NOT the same as QC 3.0. QC 3.0 is a proprietary charging system and only available on certain Qualcomm powered devices. So can the HTC 10 use USB-PD? My guess is no but I could be wrong. According to GSMArena, the HTC 10 has aa USB 3.1 port. USB 3.1 supports USB-PD for quick charging. This would lead me to beleive that the HTC 10 supports both methods of fast charging. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find anywhere on HTC's site that specifies what the USB port actually is. My guess is that it is USB 3.1 compatible but not USB 3.1 compliant. by USB 3.1 compatible I am saying it will do everything that a compliant port will do except the USB-PD charging. We actually know that the port is not USB 3.1 compliant as the USB standard does not allow the method of fast charging that QC 3.0 utilizes.
I hope this helps to clear some things up. Once again I am no expert, but this is the way it appears to work as far as I can tell. If there is anything that I have wrong, please let us know and I can change it.
Thanks
jsaxon2 said:
I've been trying to research and I have come up with a conclusion. This is only my opinion, but I have based it off of hours of research. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Is QC QuickCharge 3.0 charger going to hurt my phone or anyy other devices I may plug into it?
Best I can figure is no. QC 3.0 chargers are designed to only fast charge if it is connected to a QC 3.0 device. Before it starts fast charging, it does a negotiation withh the device to verify if it supports QC 3.0. "Also, since Quick Charge is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge will not be available. " : Source
Can my HTC 10 be charged qith a non QC 3.0 charger?
The simple answer is yes. If you use one of the many non-QC 3.0 chargers that you have laying around, it will charge your phone just fine. This is as long as you use a compliant cable with the 56k ohm resistor. More on that next.
Does it matter which USB cable I use?
This one is tricky. I do not have an HTC 10 yet, but I have heard that it comes with a USB 2.0 Type A to USB 3.0 Type C cable. I can't find the source now, but it was in the Mega Thread. If this is true, than you should be able to use any cable this spec or better. By better I mean a USB 3.0 Type A to USB 3.1 Type 3 cable should work fine. The most important part is that the USB cable MUST have a 56k ohm resister. There have been some cheap cables using a 10k ohm resister that could cause problems. These problems could result in the port on the device or the charger getting damaged.
Will the HTC 10 work with a USB-PD charger?
Well first, USB-PD stands for USB-Power Delivery. This is the new USB fast charging standard set by the USB gods. This technology allows devices to receive more power and thus would allow a phone to charge more quickly. This is NOT the same as QC 3.0. QC 3.0 is a proprietary charging system and only available on certain Qualcomm powered devices. So can the HTC 10 use USB-PD? My guess is no but I could be wrong. According to GSMArena, the HTC 10 has aa USB 3.1 port. USB 3.1 supports USB-PD for quick charging. This would lead me to beleive that the HTC 10 supports both methods of fast charging. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find anywhere on HTC's site that specifies what the USB port actually is. My guess is that it is USB 3.1 compatible but not USB 3.1 compliant. by USB 3.1 compatible I am saying it will do everything that a compliant port will do except the USB-PD charging. We actually know that the port is not USB 3.1 compliant as the USB standard does not allow the method of fast charging that QC 3.0 utilizes.
I hope this helps to clear some things up. Once again I am no expert, but this is the way it appears to work as far as I can tell. If there is anything that I have wrong, please let us know and I can change it.
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Yes it is compliant.... This is why USB 2.0 devices were able to have quick charging. The type C port is no different.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/...ard-device-class-v10-specifications-finalized
Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before.
The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1
http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/#unlocked
Buttons Keys and Connection Ports
3.5 mm stereo audio jack, USB 3.1 Gen 1, Type-C, Capacitive keys
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I wanted to add if you are part of the Elevate program you can see the white papers and it shows it is USB 3.1 Gen 1 type-c
If someone wants to host the file I will gladly upload it.
Tidbits said:
Yes it is compliant.... This is why USB 2.0 devices were able to have quick charging. The type C port is no different.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/...ard-device-class-v10-specifications-finalized
Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before.
The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1
http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/#unlocked
Buttons Keys and Connection Ports
3.5 mm stereo audio jack, USB 3.1 Gen 1, Type-C, Capacitive keys
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Your kinda missing the point. The the HTC 10 is NOT compliant. It goes against the USB-C spec, "These, and any charger you see that supports QC3.0 over USB Type-C, might be QC3.0 certified but they're not following the USB-C spec." Source. If you are not following the spec, you are not compliant. You can be compatible without being compliant. Anyway, I don't care if you want to call it compliant or not. What I am getting at is that it most likely does not support the USB Power Delivery for fast charge. And if it does not support USB-PD, than it is not a USB 3.1 compliant port. USB 3.1 standard includes USB-PD Source. So the HTC whitepapers say it is a USB 3.1 port. That is great. If it does USB-PD fast charging, than that would be awesome.
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Your kinda missing the point. The the HTC 10 is NOT compliant. It goes against the USB-C spec, "These, and any charger you see that supports QC3.0 over USB Type-C, might be QC3.0 certified but they're not following the USB-C spec." Source. If you are not following the spec, you are not compliant. You can be compatible without being compliant. Anyway, I don't care if you want to call it compliant or not. What I am getting at is that it most likely does not support the USB Power Delivery for fast charge. And if it does not support USB-PD, than it is not a USB 3.1 compliant port. USB 3.1 standard includes USB-PD Source. So the HTC whitepapers say it is a USB 3.1 port. That is great. If it does USB-PD fast charging, than that would be awesome.
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Benson assumes it isn't compliant because
1. He doesn't have the device.
2. He can't find what USB port is being used
So since he can't find this information that he can't recommend something is on the basis that he doesn't want to approve something because he doesn't know. I bet if he saw the information I just showed and he sees the white paper he'll change what he said.
Why would it not be compliant when USB 2.0 devices can charge using the exact same voltage yet a 3.1 port can't? Think about it for a minute. It would be cheaper if they were not compliant to NOT use, and not give a QC 3.0 charger... Much like Google did with the 5X and 6P probably to save on costs.
Tidbits said:
Benson assumes it isn't compliant because
1. He doesn't have the device.
2. He can't find what USB port is being used
So since he can't find this information that he can't recommend something is on the basis that he doesn't want to approve something because he doesn't know. I bet if he saw the information I just showed and he sees the white paper he'll change what he said.
Why would it not be compliant when USB 2.0 devices can charge using the exact same voltage yet a 3.1 port can't? Think about it for a minute. It would be cheaper if they were not compliant to NOT use, and not give a QC 3.0 charger... Much like Google did with the 5X and 6P probably to save on costs.
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Okay, I wait for him to get the device then. You still can't be compliant and break the rules though. You can be compatible though. As for the 5x and 6p, they support the USB-PD fast charging. This kept google with the USB standard. HTC chose to go with the QC 3.0 proprietary solution most likely because it works better. QC 3.0 only has to work with select QC devices and therefore can be tailored to exactly what they need. USB-PD will have to work across multiple device types from multiple manufacturers. This leaves room for inefficiencies. That would be my opinion.
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Okay, I wait for him to get the device then. You still can't be compliant and break the rules though. You can be compatible though. As for the 5x and 6p, they support the USB-PD fast charging. This kept google with the USB standard. HTC chose to go with the QC 3.0 proprietary solution most likely because it works better. QC 3.0 only has to work with select QC devices and therefore can be tailored to exactly what they need. USB-PD will have to work across multiple device types from multiple manufacturers. This leaves room for inefficiencies. That would be my opinion.
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That shows to me it doesn't support USB-PD 2.0 which supports up to 20V to the pins
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/u...ions-finalized
When USB was first introduced, the thought was that it would be primarily a data interface, with a limited amount of power delivery which was generally used to power the electronics of certain devices. The initial specification for USB only had provisions for 0.75 watts of power – 150 mA at 5 V. USB 2.0 bumped that to 500 mA, or 2.5 watts, and USB 3.0 specified 900 mA at 5 V, or 4.5 watts. All of these specifications allow for power as well as data transmission at the same time. In addition, there was also a Battery Charging specification which allows up to 1.5 A at 5 V for a maximum of 7.5 watts of power but with no data transmission available. The jump from 7.5 watts to 100 watts of the new specification is a huge increase, and one that cannot be done with just an amperage increase on the system as was done in the previous versions of USB. Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before.
That right there makes it possible for QC 3.0 to happy while staying PD 2.0 compliant.
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That shows to me it doesn't support USB-PD 2.0 which supports up to 20V to the pins
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/u...ions-finalized
When USB was first introduced, the thought was that it would be primarily a data interface, with a limited amount of power delivery which was generally used to power the electronics of certain devices. The initial specification for USB only had provisions for 0.75 watts of power â?? 150 mA at 5 V. USB 2.0 bumped that to 500 mA, or 2.5 watts, and USB 3.0 specified 900 mA at 5 V, or 4.5 watts. All of these specifications allow for power as well as data transmission at the same time. In addition, there was also a Battery Charging specification which allows up to 1.5 A at 5 V for a maximum of 7.5 watts of power but with no data transmission available. The jump from 7.5 watts to 100 watts of the new specification is a huge increase, and one that cannot be done with just an amperage increase on the system as was done in the previous versions of USB. Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before.
That right there makes it possible for QC 3.0 to happy while staying PD 2.0 compliant.
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Everything you posted is usb-pd specs. I agree. The difference is that qc 3.0 uses the data pins as well where usb-pd does not. They are two different approaches to achieving a common goal. While QC 3.0 does not apply more power than the spec allows, is does supply the power in a way that goes against the spec.
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Everything you posted is usb-pd specs. I agree. The difference is that qc 3.0 uses the data pins as well where usb-pd does not. They are two different approaches to achieving a common goal. While QC 3.0 does not apply more power than the spec allows, is does supply the power in a way that goes against the spec.
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Do you have the papers showing this? I haven't seen anything that says it goes through the data channels.
Either way the fact that PD2.0 rates 20V debunks the cable or connector can only handle 5V arguments.
I'm not sure if it was said but USB 3.1 =/= USB 3.1 Gen 1.
Especially in response to "The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1"
USB 3.1 with it's 10Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.1.
USB 3.0 with it's 5Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.0.
USB 3.0 =/= USB 3.1
Got that?
USB 3.0 > USB 3.1 Gen 1
USB 3.1 > USB 3.1 Gen 2
Why? Because retards.
Also marketing wankers. "Looky looky, our product has USB 3.1 Gen 1 which means it's better than USB 3.0."
Same story happened with LTE and 4G. Carriers/ISP's begged/forced the 3GPP to allow them to call LTE as 4G when LTE-Advanced is what 4G is.. LTE is more like 3.9G
And if I'm not mistaken, you Americans also had 3G HSPA+ disguised as 4G when it's actually 3.75G? And when LTE rolled out they just called it LTE.
tl;dr? HTC 10 has a USB 3.1 Gen 1 port or in other words USB 3.0.
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I'm not sure if it was said but USB 3.1 =/= USB 3.1 Gen 1.
Especially in response to "The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1"
USB 3.1 with it's 10Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.1.
USB 3.0 with it's 5Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.0.
USB 3.0 =/= USB 3.1
Got that?
USB 3.0 > USB 3.1 Gen 1
USB 3.1 > USB 3.1 Gen 2
Why? Because retards.
Also marketing wankers. "Looky looky, our product has USB 3.1 Gen 1 which means it's better than USB 3.0."
Same story happened with LTE and 4G. Carriers/ISP's begged/forced the 3GPP to allow them to call LTE as 4G when LTE-Advanced is what 4G is.. LTE is more like 3.9G
And if I'm not mistaken, you Americans also had 3G HSPA+ disguised as 4G when it's actually 3.75G? And when LTE rolled out they just called it LTE.
tl;dr? HTC 10 has a USB 3.1 Gen 1 port or in other words USB 3.0.
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USB 3.1 gen 1 only works with type C connectors on eqch end to get those speeds. That's why you don't see USB 3.0 type C cables or USB 3.1 A to C cables.
My laptop makes that distinction as well. All my ports are 3.0, but my type C ports are USB 3.1 gen 2.
Even Monoprice for example. All their C to C are 3.1, but as soon as one is a different connector they are all 3.0.
http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
Of course this is my understanding and what my laptop maker explained to me.
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USB 3.1 gen 1 only works with type C connectors on eqch end to get those speeds. That's why you don't see USB 3.0 type C cables or USB 3.1 A to C cables.
My laptop makes that distinction as well. All my ports are 3.0, but my type C ports are USB 3.1 gen 2.
Even Monoprice for example. All their C to C are 3.1, but as soon as one is a different connector they are all 3.0.
http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
Of course this is my understanding and what my laptop maker explained to me.
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The USB spec etcetera is a deep rabbit hole and the renaming of USB 3.0 didn't help things at all.
You don't need type C-C cable for USB 3.1 Gen 1. USB 3.1 Gen 1 is what we used to know as USB 3.0. You can have USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 Gen 1 with USB A-A or A-microB (the weird 3.0 micro) or A-B or A-C or C-C or whatever the variation you can think of.
The reason you don't see USB 3.0 C-C cables is because chicken and the egg. The original USB 3.0 spec was released before the type C..
Type C was developed at the same time as the now finalized USB 3.1 spec, which absorbed the original USB 3.0 spec as USB 3.1 Gen 1 and the USB 3.1 we knew before is now known as USB 3.1 Gen 2, and was (C spec) released alongside the USB 3.1 spec which it supplements.
No USB 3.1 A-C cables? Ahem. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F2CU029/
Also, just please try and forget the USB x.x with the type C.
Type C is type C. It is a physical connector, it's a cable/connector standard.
Just like mini B or micro B or B or A for that matter..
USB x.x is a technology standard.
USB-PD is a technology standard.
They are not the same thing.
They are not dependent on each other.
In other words, you can have type C with USB 2.0 if you so wish, look at the Nexus 5X and 6P..
http://www.usb.org/developers/usbty...ge_Product_and_Packaging_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf
Please note the following:
USB Type-C™ is not USB 3.1
The USB Type-C™ cable and connector specification is a supplement to the USB 3.1 specification, however USB Type-C™ is not USB 3.1.
These terms are not interchangeable.
USB Type-C™ is not USB Power Delivery
USB Power Delivery is a protocol/hardware solution that increases USB power capabilities up to 100W.
These terms are not interchangeable.
If a product features USB Type-C™ it does not necessarily support USB Power Delivery and/or USB 3.1
Device manufacturers can choose to support USB Power Delivery and/or USB 3.1 performance but it is not required for USB Type-C™ products
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This thread intended to be an easy location to add tried adapters and accessories connecting to the USB-C port.
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HDMI port.
Adapter must use display port protocol (I think). This USB-C to HDMI, USB3.1, and USB-C (charging port in only) works. Found on eBay.
USB Type C Hub for Macbook Pixel USB C to HDMI USB 3.0 & USB-C Charging Port
Brand MyTripleBest
MTB--USB-C-A.
This one uses MHL protocol, and does NOT work.
Black Type-C MHL 2.0 to HDMI Female HDTV Monitor Adapter USB 3.1 Cable Converter
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Micro USB accessories.-
For OTG accessories, and some attachments such as cameras, the phone is the USB host.
'Conforming' USB-C to micro adapters (listing the '56k resistor' ) will not work. Tells the phone to take a charge, it is not host.
Look for adapters that are non conforming, better yet are 'OTG' compatible.
One is:
Meenova
USB 3.1 Type-C to MicroUSB 2.0 Female OTG Adapter, Gray, pack of 2
My micro USB thermal camera, 3d camera, and USB host cables work. There are other brands as well.
## This message is NOT about connecting phone to a charger or PC ##
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Micro USB accessories.-
For OTG accessories, and some attachments such as cameras, the phone is the USB host.
'Conforming' USB-C to micro adapters (listing the '56k resistor' ) will not work. Tells the phone to take a charge, it is not host.
Look for adapters that are non conforming, better yet are 'OTG' compatible.
One is:
Meenova
USB 3.1 Type-C to MicroUSB 2.0 Female OTG Adapter, Gray, pack of 2
My micro USB thermal camera, 3d camera, and USB host cables work. There are other brands as well.
## This message is NOT about connecting phone to a charger or PC ##
I'm currently (partially successfully) using the following in an attempt to use an External 1TB Drive as a portable backup solution for travels:
Type C Adapter, RAVPower USB C To A Female OTG Cable, USB-C On The Go Convertor for New MacBook and Other Devices with Type C USB
I can get images onto the phone's internal 128GB card (Lexar Professional 1800x microSDXC 128GB UHS-II W/USB 3.0 Reader Flash Memory Card - LSDMI128CRBNA1800R) via OTG and Card Reader ...I cannot get them off of the internal on to the External 1TB via the OTG cable.
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Problem with old HTC M8 Charger
At home I use the charger that came with the phone.
At the office, I was planning to use the HTC charger that came with my old M8, maybe not quite as fast.
But strangely enough, when I do that, the charge light turns on and off every couple of seconds, it wakes the phone, and it doesn't charge.
A Belkin 2.1A charger I had works fine though. Go figure.
I don't think the HTC 10 is compliant with USB-C Power Delivery (Such as the Nexus 6p) do deliver the rapid charging speeds of up to 3A via a USB-C charger and a USB-C to USB-C cable. I remember reading up about it of an article referencing Benson Leung (not the 1st one, but most recent one). He said the LG G5 is compliant with the Power Delivery achieving the 3A max input. But the HTC 10 only achieves 2A.
I can about confirm this because I have 2 USB-C wall chargers, one by Cheotech that gives me around 1600mah-1700mAh, and one by iClever, which gives me the same speeds. My RavPower Turbo Series Powerbank with the USB-C port and the max of 3A output gives me the same 1600-1700mAh speeds of input into the HTC 10 as well.
I've tested a Samsung adaptive fast charger from the s7 and s6 with the OEM cable and a ravpower A to C cable and it shows Rapid Charging when plugged in.
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MTB Adapter
@lsblack
adapter must use display port protocol (I think). This USB-C to HDMI, USB3.1, and USB-C (charging port in only) works. Found on eBay.
USB Type C Hub for Macbook Pixel USB C to HDMI USB 3.0 & USB-C Charging Port
Brand MyTripleBest
MTB--USB-C-A.
This adapter didnt worked with my HTC 10, it showed that video was conected but there was no transmition over to the TV or monitor, or am i doing something wrong? i mean i tried everything, and it didnt worked >.<, or maybe i got a defective unit? also, are you connecting into a 1080p, 2k or 4k TV/Monitor? maybe is that...
Are the transfer speeds or charging affected at all if you use the type C adapter with a micro USB cable?
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if it's a proper 10GBPS or 5 GBPS 3.1 type C cable, the snapdragon variants should be much faster for data transfers.
For charging, type-c fast charging is supported as well as QC 2.0, possibly 3.0.
Neither of these have been confirmed, this is from specs that have been posted to samsung's website and various other resources.