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Headphones....

Did this thing not come with headphones? I don't have any in my box....

Every review on the web shows the same. This phone simply wasn't packaged with some...it's likely that you'll already have some anyways or you'll eventually get a better pair than they would have ever packaged.

You're probably right but I wanted to test out the FM Radio real quick and low and behold...

The no headphones is surprising, but with a retail cost of 450.00, you can't expect much. I would rather pay less and skip the headphones and mini hdmi cable than pay for them and not use them. I like the headphones I already own. Bundled headphones generally suck anyways. At least my iphone headphones suck that is.

i have these
i love these headphones
http://shop.v-moda.com/p-46-vibe-ii-w-mic.aspx

Also if you wana go alittle cheaper then the V-moda Vibe II, the V-moda Faze are extremly good too, thats what i ended up getting, they run about $49.99 and exellent sound quality and build!

I use super cheap OEM blackberry headphones I get off ebay for like $3 a pair. As far as comfort and sound quality go they seem way better than the other super cheap and kinda nice headphones I have

There's better IEM headphones than any of the V-Moda models for less $ or about the same price imo... MEElectronics M9P, Nuforce NE-7M, Maximo iP-HS5, etc. Head-Fi.org is a great resource for all things headphones. I just bought the MEElec M9P last week and I've been trying 'em out today, I got 'em for $22 w/S&H but I think they went back up in price to $35 (the others are around $50).
I think they're a noticeable step up in quality from the other mic-less IEMs I already had, Sennheiser CX300 and JVC HA-FX34 Marshmallows... Those two are fairly common at retail stores so if you've ever owned either of them you have a fairly good point of reference.
After reading a few threads at HF I ended up w/the MEElec because of the relative SQ to price, and the fact that they have one of the best cords of any IEMs under $100... Hardly any microphonics at all, virtually none if worn over the head (microphonics = cord noise when it bounces or rubs against stuff). It's got like two layers or something (one of them is translucent so it's obvious).
Pretty high quality stuff, nice hockey-stick shaped plug, nice metal casings, comes with 5 different sets of tips (regular single flanges in three sizes and dual-flange tips in two colors) and a bunch of other accessories including a nice hard case that's slimmer than most of those types of cases I've seen. Highly recommended, I like them a lot more than my Senn or JVC (and I paid like $50 for the Senns around 5 years ago, $20 for the JVC recently). I've not been able to test the mic yet since my EVO hasn't arrived and I didn't feel like doing it with the iPod touch's sound recorder or something.

DxTcmix said:
Also if you wana go alittle cheaper then the V-moda Vibe II, the V-moda Faze are extremly good too, thats what i ended up getting, they run about $49.99 and exellent sound quality and build!
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Does the V-Moda Faze have call answer functions?
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I went ahead and bought the FAZE and wow, the sound is great and yes it works for answering/hanging up calls as well as playing music.

Anyone know/test normal apple ipod headphones? I have a pair and they're my usual set and I was wondering if any of the integrated controls (mic, volume up/down, push to pause etc.) work or if anyone knew.

Today I went down to mobilecityonline located in Canal street and purchased the Sony Ericsson MW600 bluetooth stereo headset for use with my EVO 4G.
At the moment it is charging [at least 8hrs], but I wanted to know if anyone it using this particular device?
Once I get it up and running, I will let you guys know how compatible it is with the EVO. Hopefully all the functions will work and I don't have to return it.
update 06/08/10
Well with alot of playing around and trying a few different audio apps, I got the MW600 to function the way I wanted, which saved me from returning it.
My main concern was being able to use the controls on the device, and I was only able to do so with an app called bTunes.
I had no luck with the stock Android music player nor with another App called
Audio Player WithEQ Platinum
Although those two did play via the bluetooth unit, I was not able to use none of the control functions.
With bTunes, I was able to play, pause, and use the forward and backward functions.
On a side note, the headphones that came with the MW600 are very short, but they sound very good. I ended up using my Klipsch Image S4i which I was using previously with my 3GS.
Hope this meets you all well.
Cheers !

dragothegreat said:
i love these headphones
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You better, at that price.

rockdrummersrock said:
Anyone know/test normal apple ipod headphones? I have a pair and they're my usual set and I was wondering if any of the integrated controls (mic, volume up/down, push to pause etc.) work or if anyone knew.
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the iphone headset works

IceCreaMan said:
the iphone headset works
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my iPhone headset works but the VOL +/- doesn't work

anyone have any experience with the inner ear apple headphones they cost 69.99$ i ordered a pair with my iPad(figured i could use em with all my gadgets)

The controls on the Ultimate Ears Superfi 5Vi's are able to pause/play music along with voice dial and answer/hang up

Those V-modo's look cool, but honestly for the price they lack key features:
1- IN-line volume control. not a digital one like iphone headsets, but a slider on it, like the OEM mogul shipped with.
2.- for that price, and especially since it is coated in so much metal, it should have an inline radiation deadener- nobody wants radiation from their phone being transmitted right into their eardrums, especially since the 3.5mm port on our evo's acts as the FM antenna --- that is just insulting

At least from my experience with this device....
You are better off with using bluetooth headphones that can do MP3 bluetooth decoding and using Meridian as the music player. The truth is that while the headphone out is decently clean, it has a relatively high output impedance and not much driving capability. You are much better off getting some headphones with imp between 32-60ohms and at least 97db efficiency and not getting something too nice to use direct.
There is also the issue of when this is hooked up with grounding loop noise if you hook up your headphones to the output. Why the engineers who would put together such a media centric device would not think of such simple things is beyond me, but the iPod does it too and it is a pure music player.
If you happen to use a headphone amplifier, then you can use what you want because the audio signal will likely be free of much ground noise and have a really nice spectrum to it (much better than even my line out was on my iPhone....though not better than my modded iPod Touch).
If someone wants to work on USB host audio drivers I would be elated, willing to help as well. I can even make a custom hardware I/O box for the Evo!

I bought the Bose in-ear ones from Best Buy. I'm going to return them though. The sound is not as vibrant and alive as from my stereo BT set (S9-HD)

robstunner said:
my iPhone headset works but the VOL +/- doesn't work
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Is the volume using the iphone headset loud enough for you? I've tried it and it's too low and the people I'm trying to talk with sounds like they are fading in and out.
I'm thinking of returning since I can't even use it as a phone with the wired headset.

Apt-X Bluetooth Receiver

Hi,
I know the One x outputs Apt-x streo bluetooth. Theres a couple of over the head type headphones that support this. what i'm after is an Apt-X receiver which I can plug my own 3.5mm headphones into. Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
Cheers.

A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!

Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.

evo1rs said:
A quick search threw this up
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40854
Although I've never been disappointed by the sound quality of my SE MW-600 through my HD2, I'll have to see what its like when I receive my ONE-X!
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They are doing just fine

NZtechfreak said:
Just searched myself - found the Chord Gem at $799 (it's a high quality DAC as well), and the more reasonably priced QED LIVE uPLAY WIRELESS BLUETOOTH AUDIO RECEIVER for like 60-70pounds (apologies for the shouting, I just cut n paste that from the website).
EDIT: Just found out that the Samsung HS3000 has Apt-X, looks better than the QED since it has facilities for calls and also media controls...
EDIT2: Just purchased the HS3000, will let you all know how it is.
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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?

WESBAR said:
I know you can get standard bluetothe receivewrs for this (i've got the SE DS200) but it does not support Apt-X.
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If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.

pzboyz said:
If the One X has a good BT stack, you will not be able to hear any aptx benefits, the DS200 is a good device and with a good BT stack on the phone, it will be CD-like quality.
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Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather. From reviews I've read of apt-x sennheiser headphones, it's indistinguishable from wired headphones. I've had several a2dp headphones including ds200 and the quality just isn't there for me. U can definately tell the difference.

WESBAR said:
Apt-x allows uncompressed data transmission of lossless audio files from what I can gather.
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Which is not at all correct, the audio is compressed. The streaming rate is +300kb/s.
WESBAR said:
U can definately tell the difference.
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Many phones have poorly implemented standard a2dp, they stream at about 220kb/s, this is something which is will be improved, a +300kb/s standard a2dp stream is also just as good as wired. I know people who have done the comparison.

I was under the impression that AptX uses a different codec too, not SBC.
@pzboyz, is there a way of measuring the A2DP bitrate for a device?
It's ironic I only heard of AptX recently, when I bought a Foxl and opted not to get the Platinum version, thinking that there weren't any implementations of this spec yet. And a month later, it's in my new phone.

Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.

NZtechfreak said:
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
@WESBAR: Samsung say that, but not on all their sites, in some they just talk about their silly EQ effects and make no mentioned of Apt-X. I saw it listed quite a number of places with specific mention of Apt-X.
Anyways, will confirm what it's like once I get them.
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Yeah I've seen it mentioned on their site too. Got my phone now. Tempted to just order one. They're on ebay for around £26. They do a white version which will match my phone aswell! If these live up to the claims, they'll make a perfect partner to my Shure SE530's which have a short cable which usually runs into an extension piece.
Where did you order yours from?

Ordered mine from Ebay also.
If you order and get yours first let us know how they are!

NZtechfreak said:
Well I can definitely tell the difference between bluetooth and wired (I have Sennheiser HD25-1 II's and Audeze LCD-2's).
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How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.

Ordered! Will post a review when it arrives.

pzboyz said:
How are you making the comparison? You quoted some wired headphones and none of the other equipment used to make the comparison.
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I'm talking about every smartdevice I've ever owned listening to bluetooth Vs wired (N95, N95 8GB, N82, i8910, HD2, Touch Pro, N97, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII, Galaxy Note, ASUS Transformer and Transformer Prime, Google I/O Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab 7.7) with a large number of headsets DRC-BT15, Moto S805, can't remember the model names but several of Nokia's best BT cans, a few other Sony headsets whose model numbers escape me. Bluetooth audio quality is not equal to wired on any of those devices.
I only mentioned the wired headsets so it's apparent the wired headsets are not the rate limiting step.
I've not tried it with my One X since I don't get it until next week, will be interesting to see is Apt-X lives up to it's billing.

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cheers. can u tell me where it says it has apt-x?
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Have a look in here.

It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.

WESBAR said:
It's arrived. Initial impressions are good.
Definitely sounds better than previous a2dp headsets I've used. After initial pairing I've noticed one or two occasional dropouts during the first minute or so of playback but it seems pretty stable after that. Swapping between plugged in and bluetooth with the included iem's doesn't highlight any immediate differences (only tried mp3's and aac files with Poweramp) which is good. Previous a2dp's i've used have been more constrained with throughput than the the actual headphones used with them.
Will listen to it a bit more over the weekend with better headphones (Shure SE 530's), higher quality source files and post some thoughts.
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Thanks for the feedback, I have the receiver but won't have my One X till next Wednesday (lucky enough to be getting one for review that I get to keep).
It's meant to be lossless up to ~370kbps according to CSR (the people who developed Apt-X), so I presume for FLAC files you'll start to hear some differences, but for everything up to 320kbps mp3 there shouldn't be any discernible difference if CSR's claims are accurate.

apt-x is a codec used under the a2dp profile.
Hi
In order to clarify a bit. I believe the apt-x is a compression format, which is an extended codec to the a2dp profile of bt.
So you may be comparing apt-x to a range of codecs used under a2dp, where you also find apt-x.
Hope it sort the discussion a bit. And thanks for the input on devices.

Right guys I Love me music and the HOX straight out of the headphone out it's ok. My SGS Voodoo'd kicks its arse out of that water! I'm going to order the HS3000 and test the aptX technology with my TDK BA200 IEMS. To see how it differs.
Will give some feedback once I've had a play with it all.

bluetooth headphone with good sound quality

Just bought a jaybird x3 from Amazon I would say it cannot match the b&o play headphone comes with the phone with quad DAC enabled, anyone has better suggestion is that even Bose sport wireless will be about the same? Welcome any suggestion or I should stick with wired one just Bluetooth is so much more convenient, love to hear anyone with BeatX or similar ones

Replaced the standard ear tip with the foam type comes with jaybird x3 sounds significantly better

You need to use wired headphones to take advantage of the dac

I use the Creative Sound Blaster E3 combined with b&o play headphone that came with the phone and to me it sounds just as good or may be better than the phone with wired headphones. If the sound of the E3 is not up to par you can always substitute any 3.5mm headphone out for the B&O.

The Quad DAC will only activate with an audio cable plugged in. So unfortunately Bluetooth will not be able to take advantage of it.
However, the V20 does support AptX, which essentially allows for high quality audio through a BT headset, headphones, speakers, etc. Though I am far from an audiophile, I honestly do hear a definitive difference between an AptX supported headset vs a non AptX set.
Amazon has an extremely large selection of BT 4.1 (which features the ability to display the battery % of your headset on your phone), waterproof, AptX supported headphones. You just have to find the ones that fit your needs.
Good luck.

I use Samsung Gear IconX (truly wireless ones) with V20, very decent sound not much worse than included B&O H3! There's a bunch of them brand new unpacked on Ebay starting from like 80$ or so! Most folks change eartips on IconXs, the large ones from milliion year old Apple In-Ear Headphones with Remote and Mic worked for me famously, balanced sound and punchy bass, perfect for workouts. One very neat feature of IconXs that you can store 4gigs of songs and use as a standalone mp3 player and I personally think SQ is even better than paired with V20! Lastly, you can track steps and heart-rate but that's something I don't use...

I use the Apple AirPods when I need the convenience of Bluetooth. For wireless ear buds they sound really good when you pair them with Apple Music. I don't like the sound with Tidal tho.
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vam1230 said:
I use the Creative Sound Blaster E3 combined with b&o play headphone that came with the phone and to me it sounds just as good or may be better than the phone with wired headphones. If the sound of the E3 is not up to par you can always substitute any 3.5mm headphone out for the B&O.
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Oh I don't really know creative still makes things like this sounds interesting and it is about the same price as my jaybird x3, thanks for the suggestion

Lgv20user said:
The Quad DAC will only activate with an audio cable plugged in. So unfortunately Bluetooth will not be able to take advantage of it.
However, the V20 does support AptX, which essentially allows for high quality audio through a BT headset, headphones, speakers, etc. Though I am far from an audiophile, I honestly do hear a definitive difference between an AptX supported headset vs a non AptX set.
Amazon has an extremely large selection of BT 4.1 (which features the ability to display the battery % of your headset on your phone), waterproof, AptX supported headphones. You just have to find the ones that fit your needs.
Good luck.
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Yes v20 actually does support aptx HD but not easy to find a headphone that supports that except from LG and from the reviews it seems doesn't matter so much

Zenroid said:
Yes v20 actually does support aptx HD but not easy to find a headphone that supports that except from LG and from the reviews it seems doesn't matter so much
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TaoTronics Bluetooth In Ear Headphones Wireless Earbuds Sports Magnetic Earphones with Built-in Mic (Sweatproof with IPX5 Splash Proof Rating, aptX St https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYMSLFL/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apap_gKUSnifT9FZbE
I don't have high standards by any means, but these headphones are perfect for me. Great sound, durable, sweat resistant, long battery life, etc.

Jaybird is at the top when it comes to bluetooth, and you won't find any bluetooth earbuds that sound better than the X3.
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I use the Samsung Level U:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YA8L3YA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
which show to support aptX:
https://www.aptx.com/products/samsung-level-u-wireless-bluetoothr-headset
now the LG V20 supports aptX HD:
https://www.aptx.com/products/lgv20
but the aptX HD is backward compatible with the aptX. I think the Samsung Level U work great and sound great

Bose QC35 and Bose SoundSport Wireless, Word!

My brother has been through quite a few different ones including the Jaybirds and the best earbud pair imo was Monsters sport ones (ill have to get the model number for ya later as I dont recall). To be honest I thought my $30 Taotronic sport ones I got off Amazon sounded just as good as the Jaybirds did.
I've seen Bose has a new wireless in ear buds with active noise cancelling so those might sound pretty good. Haven't read anything about them yet though

I just posted this on another thread, well worth the price.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71356965&postcount=154

In my opinion the absolute best sounding bluetooth headset on the market right now is the Definitive Symphony 1, these things sound awesome for BT, even the bose BT headsets don't compare imo.

Best Bluetooth Earbuds
Have you seen the top 5 best sounding bluetooth earbuds you can buy. It might be the best for your need :laugh:

I have the Vmoda Crossfade Wireless 2 and they sound awesome with the phone. My Bludio UFO I just got today I think sound better at a much lower cost. Either way, the Bluetooth sounds great and the option to plug in for even better sound is there.

Don't mean to rain on the earbud parade but to get the best sound you need something with bigger drivers. I recently bought the Sharkk Claro from Amazon for $44.99 and it has ANC and Apt-X and it sounds pretty good.

I've been really happy with Mixcder over the ear headphones. I have a pair of the MS301 and my wife has the HD601. Both use Apt-x low latency, which seems to really help the audio quality.

Have you found truly wireless earbuds for your P2 you are satisfied with?

So the Pixel Buds seem more like Pixel Duds according to the reviews, and I really cannot stand earbuds which don't seal the ear channel. I'm wondering if any of you have founds truly wireless earbuds they are truly satisfied with. I guess likely candidates are
Samsung Gear IconX (2018)
Bose SoundSport Fee
Jabra Elite Sport True
Bragi Dash Pro
Sony WF-1000X
B&O BeoPlay E8
but most revies on amazon/tech sites are hinting that they are just not completely market ready yet.
Really interested in what works best with the Pixel 2. Thanks!

Was actually thinking of buying the apple airpods for pixel 2
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I've been enjoying these Treblab XR500 . I spent like $30 to $40 dollars at most for em off Amazon. They sound amazing. Sometimes you have to resync if u turn them on while music is playing. Can't go wrong either way

saxelfur said:
So the Pixel Buds seem more like Pixel Duds according to the reviews, and I really cannot stand earbuds which don't seal the ear channel. I'm wondering if any of you have founds truly wireless earbuds they are truly satisfied with. I guess likely candidates are
Samsung Gear IconX (2018)
Bose SoundSport Fee
Jabra Elite Sport True
Bragi Dash Pro
Sony WF-1000X
B&O BeoPlay E8
but most revies on amazon/tech sites are hinting that they are just not completely market ready yet.
Really interested in what works best with the Pixel 2. Thanks!
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Live my Jabra's, my pixel 2 will be here on Monday so i can't comment on that yet but the Jabra Sport have been excellent with other phones. Interested as well for others feedback

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Was actually thinking of buying the apple airpods for pixel 2
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I bought airpods. It seems they work fine as long you use only with one devices.
But for me switching between 3 devices (Pixel 2, Android Tablet, Windows Laptop) was a nightmare.
I actually came to a point of frustration when I could not get airpods staying connected to my tablet, so I seriously consider returning them.

I love my Bragi Dash Pros, they sound great and have a lot of feature to them. The noise cancelling is excellent and the gestures are really nice once you get use to them.
Unfortunately, they suffer from the Pixel Bluetooth bug like many other BT headsets (Can prompt voice command, but it won't hear you, supposed to be fixed soon).
The biggest issue I have in general is their Bluetooth signal strength, I haven't had issues using them with the Pixel fortunately but on my OP5, just putting my phone in my back pocket would cause audio to cut in and out.
Odd thing is I could set my OP5 down and go over a room and they would be fine, so IDK.
Anyways:
Pros:
Great sound for BT headphones (especially with V4A!!)
lots of features (Alexa integration just got added too)
Great battery life (definitely get around 5 hours of use out them at work, pop them in the case when I go to lunch which holds a lot of charge, top back up quick!)
Cons:
No AptX
Expensive compared to some of the competition
BT connection could be better with certain devices

Got a Sennheiser CX BT7.00 bundled with the Google Pixel 2 as a pre-order offer. Have been using it for the past couple of days and must say it is making complete use of aptX.

I bought the MEIZU EP52 from here https://www.geekbuying.com/item/MEIZU-EP52-Bluetooth-Headphones-with-Mic-385260.html. They're $37. and sound good, especially for the price. I've paired them with several devices without problems. Also, one very important point is that the headphones are APT-X digital audio compatible. If you don't get APT-X on your headphones, when you watch a video the lip sync will most likely be off. There are reviews available on youtube.

Matterhorn said:
If you don't get APT-X on your headphones, when you watch a video the lip sync will most likely be off.
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Not necessarily, my Dash Pros don't have APTX and voice/lips are always in sync.

kinfam said:
Not necessarily, my Dash Pros don't have APTX and voice/lips are always in sync.
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Those Dach Pros are awesome looking earbuds! I just realized that this thread was meant specifically for "truly" wireless earbuds. Anyway I was curious and checked the specs for the Dach Pros, apparently they suppport the AAC codec which has low latency. My Pixel 2 uses the AAC codec in my BMW and it sounds pretty good.

USB-C to headphone adaptors

it was only after ordering that I realised these things can come with a DAC chip inside.
this is the one I ordered
iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
Shop iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray. Free delivery and returns on eligible orders.
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since quite a few of us are likely to buy one it might help others out if you've found one you think is a real winner.
when mine arrives I'll report back on what I think, but I'm also curious how good they'll be ultimately with v4a!
also whether having a DAC chip will affect the VDC support for headphones.
please share what you've got and what you think.

3mel said:
it was only after ordering that I realised these things can come with a DAC chip inside.
this is the one I ordered
iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
Shop iNassen USB C to 3.5mm Jack Headphone Adapter Type C to 3.5mm Aux Earphone Audio Mic Adapter, for Huawei P40/Mate30/30Pro,Samsung Galaxy Note20/20 Ultra 5G/S20/S20 Plus/Note 10,Google Pixel 4XL-Gray. Free delivery and returns on eligible orders.
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since quite a few of us are likely to buy one it might help others out if you've found one you think is a real winner.
when mine arrives I'll report back on what I think, but I'm also curious how good they'll be ultimately with v4a!
also whether having a DAC chip will affect the VDC support for headphones.
please share what you've got and what you think.
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I have 2 different ones. One I bought when I got my Tablet S5E:
Amazon.com: andobil USB C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Charge Adapter, Hi-Res USB C to Auxiliary Audio Dongle with DAC Chip, Support Phone Calls, and Music Control Compatible with Google Pixel 2 2XL 3 3XL,and More : Electronics
Buy andobil USB C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Charge Adapter, Hi-Res USB C to Auxiliary Audio Dongle with DAC Chip, Support Phone Calls, and Music Control Compatible with Google Pixel 2 2XL 3 3XL,and More: Adapters - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
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And one I bought when I got my Note 10+:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KXPMF1T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_C92M40AM2FNJ2H8AYV0X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The only difference between the 2 is one has 2 usb-c and the other has a 3.5 mm jack.
Both are interchangeable in both devices and work great.

hmm I just went for the straight 3.5mm jack on its own. I saw myself using it outside more (whenever that happens again) so never considered charging too. do you have headphones with a USB-c cable on them ?

3mel said:
hmm I just went for the straight 3.5mm jack on its own. I saw myself using it outside more (whenever that happens again) so never considered charging too. do you have headphones with a USB-c cable on them ?
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Yes, they came with my Note. The Note doesn't have a 3.5 mm jack for a headset. Like my tablet, the charging port doubles as the headset jack also. Realizing that this cenario could potentially cause an issue if I Iistened to music for too long, I researched if there was a combo headset/charging adapter and there was.

the adaptor mentioned in my first post really delivers the bass. can't say if it's the chip inside (mediatek) or not because I've got nothing else to compare it to. my headphones (Sony MDR-V55) can handle bass but they're not really tuned that way.

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the adaptor mentioned in my first post really delivers the bass. can't say if it's the chip inside (mediatek) or not because I've got nothing else to compare it to. my headphones (Sony MDR-V55) can handle bass but they're not really tuned that way.
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The ideal DAC should have a flat curve ie true to the input values.
The only one I've tried is the Samsung one.
Because of it being tied to the C port I rarely use it.
Recent firmware upgrades for the Buds+ make them sound much better. Low bass on them starts at 27 hz and 35 hz has a noticeable presence. So I stick with the Buds+ for convenience and to avoid the C port inconvenience.
Stupid Samsung...

I too chose to get buds but decided against Samsung's on the mere principle that at the time they weren't the slightest bit waterproof, not even sweatproof. Why is that a big deal you ask? First, no, I'm not going to wear them in the shower or go swimming with them, although they do make ones that you can do that with. Second, I do live in Florida the state known for high humidity and enormous amounts of rain. I have been screwed by the "your phone has water damage" clause several times when my phone has never seen a drop all because of a stupid little sticker due to humidity (no not cause I sweat like crazy, lol) So, I went with the Jabra Elite Active 75t which are similar to the Samsung buds pro but $70 less, are water & dust resistant, they have ANC and pass through, 4 microphones, 28 hours of battery life, wireless charging, and while the Samsung rating is IPX 7 the Jabra is IP57. They have a built in EQ. You can custom set them to your specific hearing ability, like a hearing test, going through a series of beeps, to get optimum sound quality. They have a GPS locator so if you set them down and forget where, pull the app up on you cell and find them. They have a focus mode to play ambient sounds in the background. Don't get me wrong, I am a Samsung die hard through and through, but these Jabra buds beat Samsung hands down. Just my 1/2 cents.

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I too chose to get buds but decided against Samsung's on the mere principle that at the time they weren't the slightest bit waterproof, not even sweatproof. Why is that a big deal you ask? First, no, I'm not going to wear them in the shower or go swimming with them, although they do make ones that you can do that with. Second, I do live in Florida the state known for high humidity and enormous amounts of rain. I have been screwed by the "your phone has water damage" clause several times when my phone has never seen a drop all because of a stupid little sticker due to humidity (no not cause I sweat like crazy, lol) So, I went with the Jabra Elite Active 75t which are similar to the Samsung buds pro but $70 less, are water & dust resistant, they have ANC and pass through, 4 microphones, 28 hours of battery life, wireless charging, and while the Samsung rating is IPX 7 the Jabra is IP57. They have a built in EQ. You can custom set them to your specific hearing ability, like a hearing test, going through a series of beeps, to get optimum sound quality. They have a GPS locator so if you set them down and forget where, pull the app up on you cell and find them. They have a focus mode to play ambient sounds in the background. Don't get me wrong, I am a Samsung die hard through and through, but these Jabra buds beat Samsung hands down. Just my 1/2 cents.
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Never had a water issue with the Buds+... I live in the desert but it's a dry heat.
The problem about not using them is you lose SSC support. A LDAC supporting device is the only other option or your stuck with inferior bt codecs.
LDAC and SSC are on the top of the bt codec heap.

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Never had a water issue with the Buds+... I live in the desert but it's a dry heat.
The problem about not using them is you lose SSC support. A LDAC supporting device is the only other option or your stuck with inferior bt codecs.
LDAC and SSC are on the top of the bt codec heap.
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I have to admit I didn't know much about bluetooth codec codes until today. Your post prompted me to do research which threw me into a 3 hour wild goose chase. I finally found this chart that simplified it for me:
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Because you mentioned the code SSC. I opened my Developer settings and I don't have that option. So, I had to learn more. The aptX HD is at the top of the food chain. Unfortunately, Jabra made a conscious decision not to incorporate that code in their buds. Not sure why? Here is a website where you can look up a full list of products that do Products | aptX

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I have to admit I didn't know much about bluetooth codec codes until today. Your post prompted me to do research which threw me into a 3 hour wild goose chase. I finally found this chart that simplified it for me:
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Because you mentioned the code SSC. I opened my Developer settings and I don't have that option. So, I had to learn more. The aptX HD is at the top of the food chain. Unfortunately, Jabra made a conscious decision not to incorporate that code in their buds. Not sure why? Here is a website where you can look up a full list of products that do Products | aptX
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. Maximum bitrate doesn't necessarily mean overall better sound Q. SoundGuys have a pretty good write up.
AptX-HD has issues as well.
All bt codecs suffer to some degree*. The best ones for Samsung devices are SSC and LDAC.
Samsung's propiatory SSC is found only on its phones and a limited number of it's audio listening products, 5 total I believe.
Samsung also supports LDAC but depending on the bitrates as well as which codec is better makes comparisons almost impossible.
The listening devices supporting LDAC are limited as well but greater in number. Panasonic makes a few and of course Sony.
I haven't sample any LDAC headsets and only sampled the Buds and Buds+ so can't comment on that or which codec sounds better.
Of the other codecs available on the 10+ which are the same as all current models, SSC is the best.
No bt codec sounds better than a wired headset though, hardware not withstanding*.
With the Buds+ the low bass cutout is at 27 hz and 35 hz it's solid; probably about were it starts to roll off. That's pretty good.
For music listening I use Poweramp's equalizer and the bass from 250 hz down is heavily boosted. I never use the Wearables EQ but without Poweramp music listening be a lot less enjoyable. Vocals on music are surprisingly clear.
Guess it's time to compare the original Buds to the Buds+ but once I tried the +'s I didn't look back. Both have had major firmware updates, the most recent + updates was about a week ago.
The Buds+ are light and even partially inserted they simply never fall out. You can run, jump whatever, they stay put. Seamlessly couple with Samsung phones. Sound great on calls. Great battery life.
A lot of bang for the buck.
The Buds+ are the best bet for bt listening on a Samsung phone. An odd niche that Samsung has curved out for themselves.
For $270 more you could upgrade to Sony's best LDAC headphones. The drivers are certainly better but that's a steep price and lost is the ease of wear. Be fun to hear what's is or isn't there though
So now you know, in part, why bt audio gives me a headache
*all bt sucks, lol

blackhawk said:
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Maximum bitrate doesn't necessarily mean overall better sound Q. SoundGuys have a pretty good write up.
AptX-HD has issues as well.
All bt codecs suffer to some degree*. The best ones for Samsung devices are SSC and LDAC.
Samsung's propiatory SSC is found only on its phones and a limited number of it's audio listening products, 5 total I believe.
Samsung also supports LDAC but depending on the bitrates as well as which codec is better makes comparisons almost impossible.
The listening devices supporting LDAC are limited as well but greater in number. Panasonic makes a few and of course Sony.
I haven't sample any LDAC headsets and only sampled the Buds and Buds+ so can't comment on that or which codec sounds better.
Of the other codecs available on the 10+ which are the same as all current models, SSC is the best.
No bt codec sounds better than a wired headset though, hardware not withstanding*.
With the Buds+ the low bass cutout is at 27 hz and 35 hz it's solid; probably about were it starts to roll off. That's pretty good. For music listening I use Poweramp's equalizer and the bass from 250 hz down is heavily boosted. I never use the Wearables EQ but without Poweramp music listening be a lot less enjoyable. Vocals on music are surprisingly clear.
They're light and even partially inserted they simply never fall out. You can run, jump whatever, they stay put. Seamlessly couple with Samsung phones. Sound great on calls. Great battery life.
A lot of bang for the buck.
The Buds+ are the best bet for bt listening on a Samsung phone. An odd niche that Samsung has curved out for themselves.
For $270 more you could upgrade to Sony's best LDAC headphones. The drivers are certainly better but that's a steep price and lost is the ease of wear. Be fun to hear what's is or isn't there though
So now you know, in part, why bt audio gives me a headache
*all bt sucks, lol
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If I want to listen to THAT kind of bass, I just jump in my car..... Kenwood head unit, 2-12" subs, yup definitely jump in my ride, that's my only escape

question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.

3mel said:
question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.
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It should alter it considerably. I generally keep it disabled for music but occasionally use it.
I'm using a Note 10+.

3mel said:
question, does Dolby Atmos on this phone make an almost insignificant difference to the output you get if you listen to something while toggling it on and off ?
not sure what the deal is there but what's my experience of it so far.
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Dolby Atmos was supposed to give you the cinematic surround sound effect. That being said, the "S" series did a better job at it than the Note did from what I've read. Personally, I haven't thought to try. Now, I'll have to

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Dolby Atmos was supposed to give you the cinematic surround sound effect. That being said, the "S" series did a better job at it than the Note did from what I've read. Personally, I haven't thought to try. Now, I'll have to
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Generally it adds distortion to music as it's a flawed algorithm. If memory serves me if works by manipulating the phasing and changing the weighting of selected frequency ranges ie psychoacoustics*.
Dolby encoded movies and music are a different animal and it works best with these. I don't think phones are capable of supporting this version though.
*In an open listening area that is acoustically suitable you only need two speakers and a stereo image to reproduce the sound stage of where the image was recorded. Without the open air (buds, headphones) for the audio waves to interact the sound stage effect is destroyed. Dolby attempts to create the illusion of this sound stage.

@blackhawk to be specific I'm only talking about the Atmos app baked into the settings of this phone, I don't know if it's featured in other Samsung models. I've tried the Dolby Atmos that's a flashable / installable add-on on other phones and that's fantastic, especially when combined with v4a.
now that I've been able to use my headphones again I've been very underwhelmed by the Samsung inclusion of Atmos, I'm curious what others make of it now.

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@blackhawk to be specific I'm only talking about the Atmos app baked into the settings of this phone, I don't know if it's featured in other Samsung models. I've tried the Dolby Atmos that's a flashable / installable add-on on other phones and that's fantastic, especially when combined with v4a.
now that I've been able to use my headphones again I've been very underwhelmed by the Samsung inclusion of Atmos, I'm curious what others make of it now.
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In a closed driver system ie headphones, buds the best you can do is a clean distortion free stereo image.
Without an open room there is no interaction between the different acoustic images coming from 2 or more stereo (or higher) drivers. These interactions are in order of many tens, hundreds etc of thousands per second.
If a audio wave at 20khz* meets with one at 19khz* a second wave at 1khz is created. These secondary waves collide with still more through out the 3D listening area to recreate the sound stage of were it was recorded. If done right you are there, electro-acousticly coupled.
Any attempt to create the illustration of that listening area tends to be feeble and add distortion to the music. The magnitude of the acoustic interactions in a open air listening are nearly infinite. It's impossible to faithfully recreate.
So if you like the way it sounds use it. It can be used to "center" vocals are increase their volume and clarity at the cost of suppressing other instruments in that recording. Tends to boost volume and bass.
*the 19 and 20khz are beyond most people's hearing range but the 1khz sound is not.
This is why in an open air listening area frequencies you can't hear become important to reproduce as they are needed to recreate the sound stage. Without them the sound stage is diminished.

Earlier today I stumbled on https://smile.amazon.com/Creative-Blaster-External-VoiceDetect-Cancellation/dp/B08SH5TNLV
I wonder how they compare to the Chinese-made no-name shovelware.
Being Creative Labs one would expect at least some quality. And the price is relatively reasonable..

the previous version ''play 3'' seems to aimed at gaming headphone users

I tried out the free version of the Wavelet app last night and as I suspected it seems to be the DAC in the adaptor that's detected as the connected device rather than the headphones.
I had intended to restart using V4A once I've rooted but now I'm wondering even more about DDC optimisation or whether it'll count as a USB connection now.
getting a quality, recognised brand name might matter more than I thought.