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I don't use protectors or cases, just a slim Spiggen sometimes when working outside , but kept the Samsung screen protector on when the phone arrived as it's been so well applied.
Anyway, took it off today and wow the screen is marvellous. Silky smooth finger print improved as well. Makes using the phone so much nicer. Take it off I say .
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I wish I could, but I can't enjoy a device if I know that I'm going to scratch it. It seems that no matter how careful I am, I always get a big scratch in the screen if I don't use a screen protector.
Do you not get screen scratches, or do they not bother you?
Neither, depends what you call a scratch .
I certainly do not obsess about tiny marks you can only see when screen is off.
I can't fathom why anyone would spend a fortune on a phone and not enjoy the full user experience created by the designers
This screen is just a joy.
I avoid putting my phone in a pocket with anything else else.
Modern gorilla glass is so good now so many owners haven't caught up, they keep these phones encased in massive cases
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Neither, depends what you call a scratch .
I certainly do not obsess about tiny marks you can only see when screen is off.
I can't fathom why anyone would spend a fortune on a phone and not enjoy the full user experience created by the designers
This screen is just a joy.
I avoid putting my phone in a pocket with anything else else.
Modern gorilla glass is so good now so many owners haven't caught up, they keep these phones encased in massive cases
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Screen protectors really do take away from the feel and design of the phone. How much of a difference did it make with the fingerprint sensor? I know you said it helped, but is it night and day? You may end up talking me into removing my protector.
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I wish I could, but I can't enjoy a device if I know that I'm going to scratch it. It seems that no matter how careful I am, I always get a big scratch in the screen if I don't use a screen protector.
Do you not get screen scratches, or do they not bother you?
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I took mine off and I will tell you this anything that's going to scratch your screen is going to go through the pre-installed "screen protector" it is such a thin piece of plastic it's not funny.
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I always put the plastic that comes on my phone in the box and I just checked and it's the exact same material that was on the back of the phone when it first came out of the box.
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Screen protectors really do take away from the feel and design of the phone. How much of a difference did it make with the fingerprint sensor? I know you said it helped, but is it night and day? You may end up talking me into removing my protector.
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It's not night and day, but definitely faster
Once the protector is of and you feel the screen for the first time you'll be hooked instantly
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I'm going to take mine off. I've never used them before!
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It's not night and day, but definitely faster
Once the protector is of and you feel the screen for the first time you'll be hooked instantly
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Thanks, I'll take mine off too. It's high time I get over my fear of scratches. Like you said, why pay so much for a device and not enjoy it.
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Neither, depends what you call a scratch .
I certainly do not obsess about tiny marks you can only see when screen is off.
I can't fathom why anyone would spend a fortune on a phone and not enjoy the full user experience created by the designers
This screen is just a joy.
I avoid putting my phone in a pocket with anything else else.
Modern gorilla glass is so good now so many owners haven't caught up, they keep these phones encased in massive cases
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That's what I keep telling to a friend who doubled the width of his S8 with a glass screen protector combined to a bold heavy case... ?
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That's what I keep telling to a friend who doubled the width of his S8 with a glass screen protector combined to a bold heavy case... [emoji57]
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I go in and out of building sites for a job and dont even do that, although I have a slim Spiggen to protect against accidental drops (I'm pretty good catching phones on my foot )
I think many people haven't caught up with how fought the latest gorilla glass is
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I'm going to take mine off. I've never used them before!
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glad to see you around galaxy
No need to take it off if it's invisible, protects from unavoidable scratches and doesn't feel bad, plus it allows you to sell it for a much higher price later.
I don't see the point of this thread, that's like saying you don't enjoy sex without a condom while completely ignoring the high risk-insignificant reward side of the story.
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Hey bro, it has been a while crisscrossing the XDA boards. Hope all's well with you...
I definitely noticed the increased color vibrancy when I took off the stock screen protector. The improvement on the fingerprint scanner was quite noticeable in my case. With the stock protector, I was getting print recognition every 6 out of 10. With it off, it's pretty much recognized everyone unless I miss the spot.
Of course like many who would be paranoid about scratching the screen, I tried the Ringke Dual Easy and found it to be actually much better than the stock protector. The surface is slick to the touch and fingerprints were read just the same as the naked glass.
So yeah, in my case the stock protector did affect the accuracy of my FPS.
BTW, one of the best methods to increase read accuracy I found was to do a few scans with the lightest touch possible, essentially providing good image without too much deformity (that would be my guess), and will allow unlocking with a quick light touch.
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No need to take it off if it's invisible, protects from unavoidable scratches and doesn't feel bad, plus it allows you to sell it for a much higher price later.
I don't see the point of this thread, that's like saying you don't enjoy sex without a condom while completely ignoring the high risk-insignificant reward side of the story.
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So you're telling me that thin piece of plastic is stronger and more scratch resistant than Gorilla Glass 6?
Anything that is going to actually scratch the screen is going to go through the thin piece of plastic that is applied.
If somebody wants to leave it on that is their prerogative but it is not going to stop anything that will scratch Gorilla Glass 6.
The pre-installed screen protector is the exact same material that was on the back of the phone when it came out of the box.
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So you're telling me that thin piece of plastic is stronger and more scratch resistant than Gorilla Glass 6?
Anything that is going to actually scratch the screen is going to go through the thin piece of plastic that is applied.
If somebody wants to leave it on that is their prerogative but it is not going to stop anything that will scratch Gorilla Glass 6.
The pre-installed screen protector is the exact same material that was on the back of the phone when it came out of the box.
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No, not stronger, but it won't allow scratches get to your screen and once your protector starts to degrade you can get a new one for a few coins, broke the screen because you had cold hands and it slipped? £300.
Gorilla Glass 6 is just glass, it scratches like glass at the same exact hardness, don't make a big deal about it.
The only improvements it comes with are flexibility and strength while very thin, everything else is the same as standard glass.
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No, not stronger, but it won't allow scratches get to your screen and once your protector starts to degrade you can get a new one for a few coins, broke the screen because you had cold hands and it slipped? £300.
Gorilla Glass 6 is just glass, it scratches like glass at the same exact hardness, don't make a big deal about it.
The only improvements it comes with are flexibility and strength while very thin, everything else is the same as standard glass.
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Ok first off the pre-installed "screen protector" is going to do NOTHING if you drop your phone. So if your hands are cold, your phone slips and the screen breaks it's going to happen with or without the pre-installed "screen protector". A tempered glass one might help in this situation but not the plastic film that ships on the phone.
Second, Gorilla Glass 6 does not scratch like standard glass. Glass on the Mohs hardness scale is 5-5.5 while Gorilla Glass 6 is 6.5, actually a big difference.
Now the pre-installed PET (Polyethylene terephthalate) "screen protector" has a Mohs hardness of 1, yes 1. So something with a Mohs hardness scale of 1 is protecting something that is 6.5 on the same scale? That makes ZERO sense. Any scratches you might end up seeing on it would not have scratched the actual screen.
Science is your friend.
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Ok first off the pre-installed "screen protector" is going to do NOTHING if you drop your phone. So if your hands are cold, your phone slips and the screen breaks it's going to happen with or without the pre-installed "screen protector". A tempered glass one might help in this situation but not the plastic film that ships on the phone.
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It's always going to offer a degree of extra protection, it's stupid to deny that, they wrapped the whole phone in the same type of plastic to keep it pristine during shipping, environmental damage doesn't always limit to drops.
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Second, Gorilla Glass 6 does not scratch like standard glass. Glass on the Mohs hardness scale is 5-5.5 while Gorilla Glass 6 is 6.5, actually a big difference.
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No. All glass scratches at 5.5-6, your £899 2019 flagship scratches just as easily as an iPhone 4.
iPhone XS Max's Gorilla glass 6 scratches at 6
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Now the pre-installed PET (Polyethylene terephthalate) "screen protector" has a Mohs hardness of 1, yes 1. So something with a Mohs hardness scale of 1 is protecting something that is 6.5 on the same scale? That makes ZERO sense. Any scratches you might end up seeing on it would not have scratched the actual screen.
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Mohs is used entirely for mineral hardness, it was never intended to applied on synthetic materials such as PET, the number 1 you gave is completely made up, if you used a Mohs' pick on it anyway it would scratch around level 3.
I suggest you to avoid using whatever you found in your 2 minutes Google/Quora search to debate this and throw me a "Science is your friend." your statements are completely unscientific and you clearly never had anything to do with this field, I don't get who you're trying to impress.
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It's always going to offer a degree of extra protection, it's stupid to deny that, they wrapped the whole phone in the same type of plastic to keep it pristine during shipping, environmental damage doesn't always limit to drops.
No. All glass scratches at 5.5-6, your £899 2019 flagship scratches just as easily as an iPhone 4.
iPhone XS Max's Gorilla glass 6 scratches at 6
Mohs is used entirely for mineral hardness, it was never intended to applied on synthetic materials such as PET, the number 1 you gave is completely made up, if you used a Mohs' pick on it anyway it would scratch around level 3.
I suggest you to avoid using whatever you found in your 2 minutes Google/Quora search to debate this and throw me a "Science is your friend." your statements are completely unscientific and you clearly never had anything to do with this field, I don't get who you're trying to impress.
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Plastic is a level one on the Mohs scale.
Get with the times modern-day smartphones screens do not scratch like they used to do your research and stop looking foolish.
And there is a difference between the hardness of standard glass and Gorilla Glass
Your response is actually comical.
Edit: Plastic is a level 3 you were correct on that. But even with that you have something of a level 3 protecting something that's a level 6.5. Again that makes no sense.
But the first minute of this video will tell you everything you need to know about your pre-installed screen protector.
Like I said originally if somebody wants to leave it on there it's their prerogative.
Wow that escalated fast
Anyway, the phone is s joy to use without the screen protector, enjoying everything Samsung has designed .
I recommend owners try it .
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I decided to switch carriers and try a new smart phone and went with Tmobile and a Galaxy 20S. I was surprised on how slim and light the phone is upon picking it up. The retail store did not have any cases I liked so I ordered a case off Amazon and decided to not take my phone out of the house until I had a case for it. Well......
I had my phone for about 4 days using it in the house. My phone was sitting on the arm rest of my couch and slid off , dropped and landed on the laminate floor. A fall of less than 20". The rear glass cover is cracked on opposite corner edges.
My phone and camera work fine but I am simply amazed at how fragile the 20S is or maybe its just my 20S. I have no idea if its a factory defect and I have never seen anything like it. Its really more fragile than an egg. If the phone is this delicate it should come WITH some type of case or more durable gorilla glass. I am 57 years old and owned several brands of smart phones ( coming from an LG V30) and I have never dropped or broken a phone before in my life. Be aware my cracked 20S could be a fluke or a sign of a bigger issue. Now I need to find a place to replace mt rear cover.
The Galaxy 20 S needs a GOOD case so be advised if you have one be darn careful with it. The quality of the phone ( use) is excellent , its the durability issue that makes me concerned. If a laminate floor cracked the rear glass a drop on concrete will likely kill the phone. Pretty sad for a device that costs a grand or more.
Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
Rear screen and replacement from a Samsung authorized repair center is $109.17 / FYI
cal50 said:
It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
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Just got to be careful of where you put and how you handle it.
I haven't dropped or broken a phone or misplaced one in 12 years.
Mainly because i see the item as $$$ and to get $$$ took me months of hard work.
It's WAY more break prone than other phones.
Watch and wait . Great phone for function and features, build durability is iffy at best,IMHO.
If you spend over a thousand dollars for a phone in this day and age a good case is mandatory. Otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette and sooner or later it's gonna fall on the floor. I love the OtterBox cases. I had the commuter for many years for the S7 edge and Note 8. When I got the Ultra 512 gb I want with the Defender Pro and glad I did. First day I got the phone it was knocked off the kitchen table at work and landed on a concrete floor. Not even a scratch. So you can either wait for your beautiful caseless phone to shatter when you have an oooops moment or you can invest in a top quality case.
Everyone, well most of us, have heard the expression you cannot have your cake and eat it too!
This applies well to our beloved smart phones.
You can have something durable in its creaky, plasticky, feels like a piece of s4!+ design and all (Blackberry anyone?) that can be kicked, tossed, dropped, etc. Doesn't need a case at all.
Or the latest designs that are thin, glass on front and back with metal trim that feel like quality in hand with no squeaks or twists when handled. But if you drop them without a case you will regret it! Even if the glass doesn't chip or break there will be nicks/scratches in the bezel/frame that gets the best of the OCD types.
So now we have cases that are essentially mandatory to everyone that has to carry their devices around. The best cases combine looks/feel while offering adequate protection and then some are purely based on protective qualities alone that make our phones feel like bricks!
I do like thin cases like Pitaka but also will use something with a bit more protection if I'm running around outdoors or up in the air (tower/ladder/tree) etc. I used to use a rigid holster that would fit a specific case but gave up on those due to having to buy so many. And they didn't actually protect the screen as well as you'd think. I use a pouch now with a clip for belt and has a loop that my Grip6 belt can pass through making it utterly impossible to lose the pouch with phone safely inside.
The only thing I haven't figured out is how to make a case puppy teeth proof!
Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
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Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
Damage the front glass, display or camera module and a $109 rear cover will be a bargain.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
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Ah so it's not flush
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Ah so it's not flush
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Its flush, but for example if i wet the surface with a cloth then place my phone down. The case is wet, the camera lens is dry.
I had my Razr in my back pocket the other week, and when i sat down in a car i heard a quiet cracking noise, the back glass cracked.... How hard is it to swap and are they really that brittle? Thanks!
I can't speak for how hard it is to install the new one but it's literally just a piece of glass with the adhesive strips. It'd be pretty trivial with a spudger/knife and a heat-gun. It looks like the going rate for a new one is around $100USD from AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002618579898.html
Glass only bends so much. It's neither solid nor liquid, an amorphous solid. A bizarre material, the laws of hydraulics can apply to it. Making some of it's behaviors seem baffling.
I have a Note 10+, which is huge. I always wear bdu pants. The thigh cargo pockets are perfect for phones.
Watch a tear down vid of that phone before you dig in. Take your time and have a OEM seal kit to close it back up.
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Take your time and have a OEM seal kit to close it back up.
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This is huge, make sure you have those adhesive strips!
In case phone is used without protecting case, highly recommend putting hydrogel film on the phone back and front glass panell, it's literally invisible but create extra protection as well a makes phone less slippery in hands.
Putting hydrogel screen protector on internal display is a different story, I have it on and so far no issues after few month.
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In case phone is used without protecting case, highly recommend putting hydrogel film on the phone back and front glass panell, it's literally invisible but create extra protection as well a makes phone less slippery in hands.
Putting hydrogel screen protector on internal display is a different story, I have it on and so far no issues after few month.
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You really need a good case to protect from face plants and corner hits when drop as well as from being flexed. Any impact that can bent the frame or shatter the display can damage chipsets and the mobo by high G loading alone. A good case spreads out the impact G loading spike making drops survivable.
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You really need a good case to protect from face plants and corner hits when drop as well as from being flexed. Any impact that can bent the frame or shatter the display can damage chipsets and the mobo by high G loading alone. A good case spreads out the impact G loading spike making drops survivable.
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True, after using phone for few weeks with just hydrogel film on it I've ordered few cases on Amazon to get more protection. I was looking for compact phone thus chosen Razr and don't want to add any bulk to it.
Finally ended up with evutec carbon case, may be not super protective comparing to others but it's almost perfect in terms of look & feel. Hydrogel film still used along with the case and completely invisible.
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True, after using phone for few weeks with just hydrogel film on it I've ordered few cases on Amazon to get more protection. I was looking for compact phone thus chosen Razr and don't want to add any bulk to it.
Finally ended up with evutec carbon case, may be not super protective comparing to others but it's almost perfect in terms of look & feel. Hydrogel film still used along with the case and completely invisible.
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Yeah it's a trade off.
Sometimes it's more practical to tether the phone if you have a tether point.
BDU pants have cargo pockets that are perfect for stashing phones.
Belt pouches are another option.
The occasional fast as on ice slipe/hip-shoulder fall/landing on the phone side might not end well.
There's only so much you can reasonably do.
How good is Gorilla Glass Victus glass? Will it still need a Screen protector? The curved edges make my hesitant about using a screen protector.
Thoughts?
I looked at JerryRigEverything's videos on the S20 Ultra and S21 Ultra (or Gorilla Glass 6 vs Victus)
It seemed that it scratched just the same. I also saw an article where the Corning person admitted that it'll still get scratched by sand, dust, coins, and keys in your pocket.
That said, I haven't decided what I want to do yet. I love tempered glass protectors but they're usually terrible on curved screens and I hate the plastic feeling ones.
It's still a 6/7 on mohs scale.
The only difference is that Victus is slightly more durable, meaning it can endure a bit more force/pressure (newton), something like 8 instead of 5. So your phone will still break and scratch, but it requires a bit more effort to damage it.
Of course it won't help you with sand or anything solid that might make a dent with little amount of effort/pressure.
I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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Every time I've tried that, the screen gets scratched. All the way up to iPhone 12 pro max.
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I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that. It's down to everyone's personal philosophy, but in my view the phone should serve me, not the other way around.
For what it's worth, even without screen protectors I didn't have any visible scratches on my Pixel 2 XL or 4 XL, after 2 years of usage each, so I'm gonna risk it this time too.
After 6 days I have the first scratch in the display. The device was always carried isolated in a cargo pocket. I will probably send it back.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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Likewise. Using Armorsuit plastic screen protector and 100% fingerprint function (and it's fast!)
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
I always put screen protectors on my phones until I got the Essential Phone. No tempered glass screen protectors would work on it, and I did not like the alternatives. I decided to go without one and just "try" to be careful. It did not take long before I had a lot of tiny scratches all over my screen. When I got a deep scratch on my PH-1, I went back to the TPU wet apply screen protector that I did not like, but it is better than the alternative. I did not use my Pixel 6 Pro as my daily driver until my screen protector arrived the next day. I have to say that the TPU screen protector I purchased is much better than the one I used for my PH-1. Very pleased with it. I think the brand is IMBZBK or something like that. I have never heard of it before, and only got it until I could get a brand name protector. I may continue using it until it gives me trouble. I highly recommend a screen protector on your Pixel 6!
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Yeah?
Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
blackhawk said:
To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I can only repeat myself: Apples implementation of Sapphire on their apple watches & on the backside of devices (camera lense protection) is fake. It was tested all day long on Youtube by people using Mohs picks, it scratched at 6 and 7, which means that it's only Sapphire in name. There is no optical "sapphire" used by Apple, it's a fancy marketing word and only that.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I always watch out for meteor showers...
Yeah as said before marketing nonsense. I think the saphire would shatter too easy if they needed to get it that thin for weight control
People keep talking about how "less premium" the phone is because it has a plastic back.
The previous models didn't seem to use Gorilla Glass for the rear glass as they seemed fragile a lot more than the front glass based on experience. You put a case on them either way, and forget about it.
The more important part is that the frame itself is now aluminum, and the camera module/lenses themselves remain to be covered with glass.
The aluminum frame is more important than a glass back because you don't have to disassemble the phone to replace them, and they can be used to dissipate heat slightly more efficiently.
I wish those "tech" people/tubers understood more about the budget sector and why the word "premium" shouldn't even be mentioned. Yet everyone does. It's absurd.
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Unsure about aluminum frame, apparently it's polycarbonate but some sources say it's aluminum. Feel free to confirm.
Also nobody ever mentions that the F3 has a really good macro cam, and that neither the F5 nor the F5 Pro brings it back. If they want something valid to complain, here's the first one.
But, I have the Poco f5 and the frame doesn't feel cold to the touch like aluminum feels. I guess, it's just plastic??
This phone is completely plastic, frame and back. Only display and camera covers are glass. I dont care it´s not aluminum, but stop lying.
It's a metal mid frame, metal where it matters. Glass backs are just fragile and just add weight and cost. It'd be nice in a way if the sides were metal too to dissipate heat, but it's an extremely minor thing. It'd be better if they worked to make their software more stable and bug free.
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But, I have the Poco f5 and the frame doesn't feel cold to the touch like aluminum feels. I guess, it's just plastic??
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I suppose, articles/some reviews mentioned aluminum but now I've seen more that say it's polycarbonate (especially GSMArena)
LaurenceGough said:
It's a metal mid frame, metal where it matters. Glass backs are just fragile and just add weight and cost. It'd be nice in a way if the sides were metal too to dissipate heat, but it's an extremely minor thing. It'd be better if they worked to make their software more stable and bug free.
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Think most/all of them are metal mid frame (likely aluminium as it's cheaper). It would've been a lot cheaper to use aluminium entirely, but polycarbonate is more scratch resistant afaik.
The matte blue version feels really nice in the hand and looks good. I like how lightweight it makes the phone, don't even feel it in my pocket compared to my old phone which had a smaller screen and a glossy glass back.
I'm not a fan of the black or even the white models of the Poco F5 though, I don't like glossy finishes, they look cheap and are fingerprint magnets.
LaurenceGough said:
It's a metal mid frame, metal where it matters. Glass backs are just fragile and just add weight and cost. It'd be nice in a way if the sides were metal too to dissipate heat, but it's an extremely minor thing. It'd be better if they worked to make their software more stable and bug free.
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in my use, global miui is flawless and flies with the snapdragon 7+ gen 2. But i admit miui used to be buggy.
srveloso said:
in my use, global miui is flawless and flies with the snapdragon 7+ gen 2. But i admit miui used to be buggy.
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Test pocket mode as an example, it doesn't work. Also I had various apps crash which I haven't had happen on an android phone since 2020 I'd say. Also xiaomi powerkeeper dameon removes apps from memory too often despite locking them etc, but I guess this is going off topic now. I'm using MiUI 14 on another phone currently and it's an absolute nightmare.