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Hey everyone,
After three years using the legendary Xperia X10, it's finally given out on me and died. Is this a good upgrade over that? Where I live, it is possible to get the LG G2 and the HTC One M7 for around the same price, but I have my reservations about buying them because they're old models.
Should I get this phone, or go for something else?
inadequate said:
Hey everyone,
After three years using the legendary Xperia X10, it's finally given out on me and died. Is this a good upgrade over that? Where I live, it is possible to get the LG G2 and the HTC One M7 for around the same price, but I have my reservations about buying them because they're old models.
Should I get this phone, or go for something else?
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N3 Neo is definitely a big upgrade over Xperia X10 in all respects!
Now coming to ur point regarding the other two phones u mentioned.. I think among the 3 u should choose between N3 Neo & G2, now it depends on ur preferences which phone u do choose, both phones have their own advantages-
G2 over Neo:
- 1080p screen
- More powerful GPU if ure a hardcore gamer
- Handy size
- IPS display
- Great dev support
Neo over G2:
- Bigger screen if u like the extra real estate
- Note features & S-Pen
- No overheating issues
- Samsung has much better service support
- Better battery life
- Super Amoled screen
- Expandable storage & removable battery
Ure from Trivandrum so I don't think both the phones have nearly the same cost.. in fact G2 is much costlier!
Flipkart prices - 27.5K for Note 3 Neo & G2 (32gb) for 36K
buy wisely!
I never like phone with sealed battery (Though I am having iPhone, which was a wish to have always).
peRFect! said:
N3 Neo is definitely a big upgrade over Xperia X10 in all respects!
Now coming to ur point regarding the other two phones u mentioned.. I think among the 3 u should choose between N3 Neo & G2, now it depends on ur preferences which phone u do choose, both phones have their own advantages-
G2 over Neo:
- 1080p screen
- More powerful GPU if ure a hardcore gamer
- Handy size
- IPS display
- Great dev support
Neo over G2:
- Bigger screen if u like the extra real estate
- Note features & S-Pen
- No overheating issues
- Samsung has much better service support
- Better battery life
- Super Amoled screen
- Expandable storage & removable battery
Ure from Trivandrum so I don't think both the phones have nearly the same cost.. in fact G2 is much costlier!
Flipkart prices - 27.5K for Note 3 Neo & G2 (32gb) for 36K
buy wisely!
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Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
inadequate said:
Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
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Yeah.. local dealers may give u better deals.
If ure a flashaholic then this phone is not for u (atleast for now).
I used to be a flashaholic having the S2 which still has excellent dev support, but since I've bought this phone, my desire to root & modify have vanished.. the phone has exceptional battery life, smooth performance & a lot of neat features which I love. I don't plan to use aosp & cm roms cos this phone is a note & the S-Pen defines it!
Nowadays we get most of the new cool features through Xposed so no point about stock based custom roms.. but yeah it's about personal preference!
The KitKat update is due and we have still not recd it (u know sammy is slow with updates).. we'll get it shortly I guess..
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Thanks man. Actually, the prices of both phones are nearly the same, if you know dealers. The main problem with the Note 3 Neo seems to be the lack of developer support. Coming from the X10 (which had a HUGE developer base), the support on this forum seems to be lacking.
Is there a 4.4 update for the Neo?
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Kitkat update is only avaialbe for korean variant of Note 3 neo at the moment . Rest should be updated I think .
If dev support is what you're looking for , DO NOT buy an exynos phone and esp. this one as it's not quite popular like the rest
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Yeah.. local dealers may give u better deals.
If ure a flashaholic then this phone is not for u (atleast for now).
I used to be a flashaholic having the S2 which still has excellent dev support, but since I've bought this phone, my desire to root & modify have vanished.. the phone has exceptional battery life, smooth performance & a lot of neat features which I love. I don't plan to use aosp & cm roms cos this phone is a note & the S-Pen defines it!
Nowadays we get most of the new cool features through Xposed so no point about stock based custom roms.. but yeah it's about personal preference!
The KitKat update is due and we have still not recd it (u know sammy is slow with updates).. we'll get it shortly I guess..
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What do you mean by this Xposed? What is it exactly? And as for flashing and developer support, I'm not too keen on those. The only reason I turned to the forums was because my old X10 had started to lag. I suppose the only reason I'll need to root this phone would be to remove some of the trashy apps made by Samsung that nobody uses, like S Voice and the like.
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What do you mean by this Xposed? What is it exactly? And as for flashing and developer support, I'm not too keen on those. The only reason I turned to the forums was because my old X10 had started to lag. I suppose the only reason I'll need to root this phone would be to remove some of the trashy apps made by Samsung that nobody uses, like S Voice and the like.
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Yes I know, the amount of bloat Samsung dumps into the phone is painful, but u can disable most of it & completely remove it after rooting so that's the good part.
okay, now about Xposed, search for "Xposed framework" on google & visit addictivetips site which explains everything about Xposed. It's one of the greatest android root apps.
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Yes I know, the amount of bloat Samsung dumps into the phone is painful, but u can disable most of it & completely remove it after rooting so that's the good part.
okay, now about Xposed, search for "Xposed framework" on google & visit addictivetips site which explains everything about Xposed. It's one of the greatest android root apps.
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Has anyone managed to root this phone yet? I thought you were having difficulty with that.
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Has anyone managed to root this phone yet? I thought you were having difficulty with that.
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Many many users have. I don't know about the difficulties cos I still haven't rooted my phone, if u have any issues, members are here to help u!
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Many many users have. I don't know about the difficulties cos I still haven't rooted my phone, if u have any issues, members are here to help u!
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Really? There's only one thread about rooting here on these forums, and those guys had problems rooting it. That's why I said so.
inadequate said:
Really? There's only one thread about rooting here on these forums, and those guys had problems rooting it. That's why I said so.
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U can use CF auto root for N750, my neo bro @sgatechwork used it & completely modded his phone after that.
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U can use CF auto root for N750, my neo bro @sgatechwork used it & completely modded his phone after that.
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Regarding the S Pen and it's uses, does this have all the functionality of the bigger Note 3, or have they been stripped down somewhat as well?
inadequate said:
Regarding the S Pen and it's uses, does this have all the functionality of the bigger Note 3, or have they been stripped down somewhat as well?
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you get all the S-Pen features of the bigger brother in the neo, the features that have been stripped down are display (720p), RAM (2gb), processor (well, can't really call it less powerful), some other small things are display profiles, air gestures, camera but nothing as such which is a deal breaker. If u want the full Note 3 software suite experience at a much cheaper price, this phone is the one for u!
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you get all the S-Pen features of the bigger brother in the neo, the features that have been stripped down are display (720p), RAM (2gb), processor (well, can't really call it less powerful), some other small things are display profiles, air gestures, camera but nothing as such which is a deal breaker. If u want the full Note 3 software suite experience at a much cheaper price, this phone is the one for u!
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Yeah, I know the specs of the model . I wouldn't call the 720p display a letdown. Let's face it, in India, using a 1080p screen is quite hard, especially if you're unemployed and a student. And with this year's iteration of the Note, it'll be even more difficult to use it. Who the hell watches 2K videos anyway? Not to mention, unless the GPU in the next Note is the Adreno 420, it'll be underpowered like the G3. Seriously, manufacturers have gone completely retarded this year.
inadequate said:
Yeah, I know the specs of the model . I wouldn't call the 720p display a letdown. Let's face it, in India, using a 1080p screen is quite hard, especially if you're unemployed and a student. And with this year's iteration of the Note, it'll be even more difficult to use it. Who the hell watches 2K videos anyway? Not to mention, unless the GPU in the next Note is the Adreno 420, it'll be underpowered like the G3. Seriously, manufacturers have gone completely retarded this year.
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That's so true.. TBH I find the display really good (better than S4 in terms of colour reproduction), my previous daily driver was the GS2 which has a 217 ppi screen, so 267 ppi is a major jump!
I don't believe in the crazy spec jump we have with every iteration. I found FHD itself to be a stretch, but 2K is as of now useless.
I'm really happy with my phone, always had a dream to own a Note series device (they were always out of budget, I too am a student).. just a rare stutter is visible but the features completely outweighs that rare moment.
peRFect! said:
That's so true.. TBH I find the display really good (better than S4 in terms of colour reproduction), my previous daily driver was the GS2 which has a 217 ppi screen, so 267 ppi is a major jump!
I don't believe in the crazy spec jump we have with every iteration. I found FHD itself to be a stretch, but 2K is as of now useless.
I'm really happy with my phone, always had a dream to own a Note series device (they were always out of budget, I too am a student).. just a rare stutter is visible but the features completely outweighs that rare moment.
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Even worse is the fact that the manufacturers apparently think that the S400 with cortex A7 cores is somehow better than the dual core Krait or the dual core A15 configuration. It's a big step back in terms of raw processing power. That's the only reason why I thought of this device. All the others have stupid S400 cores, including the HTC One mini 2 and the Galaxy S5 Mini (which are likely to priced above this one).
As for the display, my older phone was the X10, which had around 240ppi. I'm sure the 720p display will be a big boost
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Even worse is the fact that the manufacturers apparently think that the S400 with cortex A7 cores is somehow better than the dual core Krait or the dual core A15 configuration. It's a big step back in terms of raw processing power. That's the only reason why I thought of this device. All the others have stupid S400 cores, including the HTC One mini 2 and the Galaxy S5 Mini (which are likely to priced above this one).
As for the display, my older phone was the X10, which had around 240ppi. I'm sure the 720p display will be a big boost
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The hexa core configuration in this phone is excellent, no overheating (which is common with other exynos phones) and consistent performance. Seriously, I still don't know why the manufacturers don't use Cortex A15 dual cores, they are quite powerful. The minis nowadays are plain stupid, half the customers don't even know how they are being fooled, they just see the "Quad core" monicker and blindly buy much costlier phones. Just look at that phone G Pro lite, I mean seriously, 25K for that thing? ?
720p is fine, text too is quite sharp.
peRFect! said:
The hexa core configuration in this phone is excellent, no overheating (which is common with other exynos phones) and consistent performance. Seriously, I still don't know why the manufacturers don't use Cortex A15 dual cores, they are quite powerful. The minis nowadays are plain stupid, half the customers don't even know how they are being fooled, they just see the "Quad core" monicker and blindly buy much costlier phones. Just look at that phone G Pro lite, I mean seriously, 25K for that thing? ��
720p is fine, text too is quite sharp.
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There's one thing that confuses me. Which model of this phone has the Exynos 5 chip? I'm getting really confused, because I read somewhere that one version of this phone has an S400 junk chip, while the other one has the Exynos 5 Hexa chip.
inadequate said:
There's one thing that confuses me. Which model of this phone has the Exynos 5 chip? I'm getting really confused, because I read somewhere that one version of this phone has an S400 junk chip, while the other one has the Exynos 5 Hexa chip.
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SM-N7502 Dual sim got the "junk" s400 chipset.
SM-N750 and 7505 got the Exynos 5260 hexacore chipset
hi, dear all
if anyone can tell the biggest difference between Oneplus 3 and Oneplus5 ?
Gsmarena will tell you much better than us I think, there is a great comparison tool
I'd say the most strikingly obvious one would be the camera setup: the rear camera sports a dual-camera setup and the front camera has an upgraded specs in it (though I cannot speak for their quality since I have never personally tried them myself).
Going down from camera, there isn't much of a difference; The usual specs bump are there: new SoC (Snapdragon 835 vs OnePlus3's Snapdragon 820), more storage capacity which also happen to have more RAM (as long as you pick the 8/128 model).
If you're going WAY down, you can also spot upgrades like Bluetooth 5.0, the same battery capacity as the OnePlus 3T, and a very minor dual LED flash which upgrades over the single LED flash of the OnePlus 3.
Oh and of course, the updated design, but that's obvious.
Long story short, camera and SoC. With OP5 also being a bit more expensive.
If you're shopping, I'd say forget both and go for the new 5T (if budget allows). That screen alone is worth it. If not, you can't go wrong with either of older ones.
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F4uzan said:
I'd say the most strikingly obvious one would be the camera setup: the rear camera sports a dual-camera setup and the front camera has an upgraded specs in it (though I cannot speak for their quality since I have never personally tried them myself).
Going down from camera, there isn't much of a difference; The usual specs bump are there: new SoC (Snapdragon 835 vs OnePlus3's Snapdragon 820), more storage capacity which also happen to have more RAM (as long as you pick the 8/128 model).
If you're going WAY down, you can also spot upgrades like Bluetooth 5.0, the same battery capacity as the OnePlus 3T, and a very minor dual LED flash which upgrades over the single LED flash of the OnePlus 3.
Oh and of course, the updated design, but that's obvious.
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thank you very much
Explorer23 said:
Long story short, camera and SoC. With OP5 also being a bit more expensive.
If you're shopping, I'd say forget both and go for the new 5T (if budget allows). That screen alone is worth it. If not, you can't go wrong with either of older ones.
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5T is too expensive, i will not consider it
Do You think that the camera in S9 will be minimum or much better than in S8?
Well I mean, the only details Samsung has officially released about the S9 itself is "The camera, reimagined," so uh yeah
Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.
Coolyou said:
Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.
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I wonder if camera wise S9 (single)= Note8(double)
cause S9+(double) > Note8 (double)
It already revealed that is has super slow motion (f/1.5, 26mm, 1/2.5", 1.4 µm, Dual Pixel PDAF)
Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.
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Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.
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That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?
androidbadboy said:
That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?
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As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.
R!n said:
As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.
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But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?
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But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?
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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.
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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.
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So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.
androidbadboy said:
So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.
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Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.
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Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.
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Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,
androidbadboy said:
Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,
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Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.
R!n said:
Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.
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How about Note8, are thie pics from Mate also better than Galaxy Note8?
Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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shah22 said:
Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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So You wouldnt upgrade to Mate 10 PRo, S9/s9+ and Apple X from S7 Edge?
How about if you have had S6EPlus ? would You upgrade then? If yes to which phone?
Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.
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Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.
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Thanks and wow for that massive knowledge. I wonder what P20 will bring to the table with their 5 cams. 27th March is the premiere. How much will it cost in Your opinion. EUR or USD please if possible and add with or without tax.
I'm almost exclusively interested in the video camera capabilities of the S9+. I can manage with a mediocre photo camera but video needs to be class-leading in smartphones.
Ability to shoot UHD video in h.265 compression + much better low light performance than Note 4 = I'd be very happy.
Sadly LG put an undersized sensor in their V30 (not to mention the sucky POLED display) - otherwise I might grab a V30 right now for a good price. I wonder what LG has in store for the V40, given their focus on video shooting prowess.
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.
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Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
dladz said:
Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter
This phone is a massive 90° turn for google as much on the software side than the hardware.
SO let me know:
1- Are you excited for the GP6 Pro?
2- Do you plan on buying it?
3- What the feature, following the leaks and the I/O that you anticipate the most?
For me :
1- YESSSSSS!!!!!!! (see the title)
2- I'd love to, I'll wait though. I want to see the firsts feedbacks before buying one.
3- To me, the whitechapel SoC really picked my interest a lot. It will either be a deception or a big nice surprise, don't disappoint me Google!
Yes, sort of.
Maybe. I have the Pixel 5: a meh phone, with useless VZ 5G so I turned it off. The only things I'm happy with are battery life, weight/portability, and that I didn't upgrade my plan to a 5G plan.
New in-house chip. I'm not holding my breath on "new and improved" because Google tends to let everyone down prior to announcement, so I'm expecting the same here.
Edit: To be fair, I flipped flopped on buying the Samsung Galaxy 21 Ultra for the camera. What keeps me with Pixel is their call screening. There's been so many of them, the call screening is the best.
I'm buying it the second it's ready!
I'm not excited bcz it has the same 8mp periscope that Vivo, Realme or ZTE etc are using
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I'm not excited bcz it has the same 8mp periscope that Vivo, Realme or ZTE etc are using
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Lol and that shows some ignorance. Those other phones don't use Google's software processing for photos. And that's a HUGE deal.
Bwyan Benton said:
Lol and that shows some ignorance. Those other phones don't use Google's software processing for photos. And that's a HUGE deal.
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We can atleast have GCam on other 8mp periscopic phones to get a similar output like GP6 pro. Hence wanted Google to have its in-house sensor or atleast get one from other sensor makers specifically for GP6 pro. PS: those other phone can atleast have GCam and I didn't ignore this.
I'm gonna buy it as soon as I can. I am still running my Pixel 2XL.
1- Yes, finally the Pixel phone we were waiting for.... Hopefully
2- Day One
3- Combination of the Whitechapel SOC and Camera setup. Still not the same amount as the 21 Ultra, one thing Google knows is how to get the best out of hardware they go with. We are talking about the potential capability of iPhone structure but with more modern tech throughout the phone.
I'm very excited as I am for most Pixel releases. I am buying the second it becomes available. I'm afraid if I wait, with the chip shortage, I might miss out if I don't act fast. I am really excited about the new chip and, hopefully, tight integration between software and hardware. I am also really excited for the triple camera setup. Between the nearly 1" sensor, higher resolution and Googles image processing software I am fully expecting them to retake the photo crown back from Apple.
I would like to see eSIM availability on day one. One National carrier, and eSIM for spare carrier/international travel. I sold my Samsung S21+ Unlocked because I couldn’t activate an eSIM!
I have currently a Oneplus 8 Pro. Camera is very average, with Android 11 they moved further away from stock Android, Updates come very slow now that there are newer Oneplus devices (had november security patch until mid february, then we got january patch instead of february...)...
I am so excited for Pixel 6 Pro, as this phone is finally a pixel phone that seems to make no compromises:
Tripple cam
Big Battery
120 hz
Great performance chip (not a hardcote gamer, so must not be top notch for me)
New camera senors...!
I think Pixel 6 Pro will crush it this year.. looks like a S21 Ultra with clean Android.. !! Nice!
But i guess the price tag will be huge, around S21 Ultra launch price (maybe just a little less)
I'm not excited. Mainly because ever since I bought the Pixel 1 and loved it, and used it until a year ago when I got a 512 GB Samsung, I was anticipating getting a 256 GB Pixel as my next upgrade once one was available. I waited four years and now, though, I wouldn't upgrade to another Pixel unless it had 512 GB of internal storage (or have a Micro SD slot, which won't happen with the Pixel). I like my music local and in FLAC, and have my entire library with me. I'm happy that they've finally decided to have 256 GB of storage as an option, but that just won't cut it for me anymore.
I'm extremely apprehensive about this, on one hand it's possibly the flagship Pixel that we've always wanted. On the other hand, it's running a custom chipset that's based on exynos. What does that mean for root access? It seems like exynos chips are always running behind on getting rooted and are generally less efficient than their Snapdragon counterparts. That's complicated by the fact that it's basically a bespoke chip now just for pixel phones.
We'll see, I'm currently holding on with my OnePlus 6t, but OP is dead to me going forward. I was planning on definitely switching to Pixel, but now I'm waiting to see how much access the dev community has to the device
BittahWarlock said:
I'm extremely apprehensive about this, on one hand it's possibly the flagship Pixel that we've always wanted. On the other hand, it's running a custom chipset that's based on exynos. What does that mean for root access? It seems like exynos chips are always running behind on getting rooted and are generally less efficient than their Snapdragon counterparts. That's complicated by the fact that it's basically a bespoke chip now just for pixel phones.
We'll see, I'm currently holding on with my OnePlus 6t, but OP is dead to me going forward. I was planning on definitely switching to Pixel, but now I'm waiting to see how much access the dev community has to the device
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Yes, Oneplus is really not what it once was anymore.
For Exynos Chipset: the exynos Chipset in the S21 Series is great. It is about on the same level than the Snapdragon. Some people even claim it has better battery life and doesnt heat up as much than the Snapdragon version.
Since the Pixel 6 Chip seems to be based on this Exynos Chip with some minor changes, i am sure it will be great!!
It is the first Exynos phone i would buy.
The difference between exynos and snapdragon s21 is not noticable anymore. I m pretty sure that performance and battery will be great.
Mtha86 said:
Yes, Oneplus is really not what it once was anymore.
For Exynos Chipset: the exynos Chipset in the S21 Series is great. It is about on the same level than the Snapdragon. Some people even claim it has better battery life and doesnt heat up as much than the Snapdragon version.
Since the Pixel 6 Chip seems to be based on this Exynos Chip with some minor changes, i am sure it will be great!!
It is the first Exynos phone i would buy.
The difference between exynos and snapdragon s21 is not noticable anymore. I m pretty sure that performance and battery will be great.
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True, while the gap is closing, there is still a gap. That's really not my main holdup, it's getting root without losing too many features.
Google has been tightening the reins on Android for years. Hopefully we will get full root access without many sacrifices, just need to wait and see
The last google phone I purchased was the Nexus 4 at release, then later I got a Nexus 9. The Pixel series has never interested me, especially design wise. If the P6P's renders are accurate it'll be my 1st google device in years.
I've been running Samsung devices the past few years because no Pixel hardware has really impressed me since the 2XL. The software has been great but hardware has been lacking. I desperately want to get back on the Pixel bandwagon and if all these leaks turn out to be accurate this will finally be the phone that does it! I'll be trading in my Note Ultra 20 on it. Wish we didn't have to wait til late September or October.
Yep...I am. I hope the Pro version has a flat screen instead of a curved screen though.
Raiz said:
This phone is a massive 90° turn for google as much on the software side than the hardware.
SO let me know:
1- Are you excited for the GP6 Pro?
2- Do you plan on buying it?
3- What the feature, following the leaks and the I/O that you anticipate the most?
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1. I'm stoked. Haven't been this excited for a Google device since the Galaxy Nexus w/Ice Cream Sandwich, though the Nexus 5 leak accompanied by KitKat ranks up there.
2. I plan on F5'ing the Google Store repeatedly as soon as the presentation starts, so yeah.
3. Whitechapel and, Material You (biggest software overhaul since 4.4). Also it seems like Google gives a darn about hardware now.
wolfeyes30 said:
Yep...I am. I hope the Pro version has a flat screen instead of a curved screen.
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With u on this