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Hi,
My name is Dragos and I'm the founder and senior designer of Viiwok, a startup which builds VR adapters and controllers.
More specifically we're currently in the final testing rounds of the first mobile HMD in the world. It's basically a hybrid tablet adapter with integrated, discrete headtracking sensors (as in not using the tablet's gyro/accelerometer sensors).
What it does is letting you slide in any 7" tablet and wirelessly displaying stereographic 3D video feed from the computer. It's basically a mobile Oculus Rift and a future proof product as well, since we're not constrained of resolution and hardware issues - because you can always use the latest and most powerful tablet at your disposal. The headtracking has basically zero latency and the FOV is about 120 degrees, using specially designed aspheric lenses with a 2" diameter for each eye. Besides native 3D support in certain titles (Crytek titles made with Cryengine, DOOM 3 BFG, etc.), we can also use TriDef for realtime side-by-side 3D rendering of currently unsupported games.
While gaming is our main scope, the HMD could be also used for virtual tourism and landscaping, in medicine (disabled or severely handicapped persons) or CAD design. Our next project to be launched is an omnidirectional treadmill which detects your body movements in real time (walking, jumping, crouching), much like a Kinnect, but without the back-facing and latency constraints.
Right now we're using Gamepad THD and Kainy for the video feed, but also Limelight for native Shield streaming ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...505510&page=15 ) while also developing our own video streaming solution in house.
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Here are a couple of pictures with the 3D printed prototype. Of course, the final design will be much more streamlined and ergonomic.
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What is this?
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marco9797 said:
What is this?
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It's a head mounted, 3D display. You can stream games to it from the PC and see them in 3D. For virtual reality applications and games.
Attreyu said:
It's a head mounted, 3D display. You can stream games to it from the PC and see them in 3D. For virtual reality applications and games.
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Do i need a great powered PC for this? Can i find It on Amazon?
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Do i need a great powered PC for this? Can i find It on Amazon?
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You need a good wifi connection (802.11n) and a medium-to-high computer. An Nvidia Kepler GPU is fine.
Basically, if you can play your games now, you don't need a new computer for the Deva HMD.
The HMD only receives the video-feed from the computer. You need a 7" tablet with 802.11n Wifi and a nice GPU (Tegra 3, Qualcomm 600/800, etc.).
No offense friend but I wouldnt want to put that scary thing on my head.
haha :laugh: fair enough. Would you put an Oculus Rift to your head ?
Attreyu said:
You need a good wifi connection (802.11n) and a medium-to-high computer. An Nvidia Kepler GPU is fine.
Basically, if you can play your games now, you don't need a new computer for the Deva HMD.
The HMD only receives the video-feed from the computer. You need a 7" tablet with 802.11n Wifi and a nice GPU (Tegra 3, Qualcomm 600/800, etc.).
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i haven't enough money for an nvidia kepler in my notebook there is a gt 520m ;so can i try also with a tablet or smartphone?
i have a note 2 but it has mali 400 mp and i don't know if is enough great powered for this...
i and my family are going to buy an ipad air for christmas... Can i try with that?Is there any app? For the power i think that the ipad has the best gpu for the mobile,i believe also now is faster than xbox 360 and play 3.
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haha :laugh: fair enough. Would you put an Oculus Rift to your head ?
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Hell no ))) I wouldnt want to put anything on my head even Google Glass which is overrated for that price tag I think. I mean if it would look like regular Sun Glasses without some thingy that looks like Universal Soldier ))) Maybe I would put it on. And as for is it Enough to have Decent Tablet? Well depends if you want to play Chilidish Android games, which have bad graphics compared to PS3 or XBOX or PC, due to the Lack of DX and OpenGL then you are all set ) but I think its better to wait till TEGRA5 Devices DX11 support full OpenGL and 6 times faster than PS3 GPU... But you have to wait till Summer 2014 and for some games that will be made for that Architecture ( So I wouldnt rush to any new Tablet right now, unless of course your budget is big enough to afford buying a newest tablet every 6 month )
I can certainly say this won't be "the first" HMD using a mobile device. I know VRase has demoed units at various conventions/conferences and has some (supposed) VR industry connections. It had a successful kickstarter, but now we are waiting on the actual commercial units. They are promising they will look better than their 3D printed prototypes (which weren't that bad).
Still, more competition in this market is good. The problem is getting content to render in SbS format (Side by Side). Especially for pre-existing mobile games, less difficult for streamed desktop stuff (easy to tell GPU how to do special render cases through injection or driver manipulation).
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ryocoon said:
I can certainly say this won't be "the first" HMD using a mobile device. I know VRase has demoed units at various conventions/conferences and has some (supposed) VR industry connections. It had a successful kickstarter, but now we are waiting on the actual commercial units. They are promising they will look better than their 3D printed prototypes (which weren't that bad).
Still, more competition in this market is good. The problem is getting content to render in SbS format (Side by Side). Especially for pre-existing mobile games, less difficult for streamed desktop stuff (easy to tell GPU how to do special render cases through injection or driver manipulation).
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I wouldn't call Vrase a HMD, they're in a totally different ballpark. Vrase is just an adapter for smartphones. They aren't intended for VR and gaming, the smartphones have screens too small for the needed FOV, and they don't have integrated sensors, meaning you must use FreePie or other 3rd party 6DOF solution. You could use Vrase for basic SBS movie watching and AR (to some extent).
I know because they're spanish, like us. They're our colleagues but they aren't aiming in the same direction. They're more orrientated towards the casual user (movies, leisure), we're going for the gaming part.
Which leads me to your second preocupations, SBS mobile gaming. AFAIK there aren't many mobile shooters worth their salt at the moment, because the cappabilities are not here. Mobile GPUs are weak still, and untill this summer when Logan makes its appearance, we're going to stick to PC streaming.
Things will change, and will change fast in this VR/mobile gaming sector, and our belief is that our product is prepared to help you fill the gap.
Attreyu said:
I wouldn't call Vrase a HMD, they're in a totally different ballpark. Vrase is just an adapter for smartphones. They aren't intended for VR and gaming, the smartphones have screens too small for the needed FOV, and they don't have integrated sensors, meaning you must use FreePie or other 3rd party 6DOF solution. You could use Vrase for basic SBS movie watching and AR (to some extent).
I know because they're spanish, like us. They're our colleagues but they aren't aiming in the same direction. They're more orrientated towards the casual user (movies, leisure), we're going for the gaming part.
Which leads me to your second preocupations, SBS mobile gaming. AFAIK there aren't many mobile shooters worth their salt at the moment, because the cappabilities are not here. Mobile GPUs are weak still, and untill this summer when Logan makes its appearance, we're going to stick to PC streaming.
Things will change, and will change fast in this VR/mobile gaming sector, and our belief is that our product is prepared to help you fill the gap.
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Okay... wait. You say that this is an HMD, but VRase isn't due to the fact you need to use a phone screen. When clearly the difference for yours appears to be (at first glance) that you use a 7" tablet. I get that you have some integrated high-precision sensors, which obviously you wouldn't have if you were using VRase. Even using a simple solution like VRase you can do similar things with that. Yes, you can watch SBS formatted movies. You could also use software to request a GPU to render 3D in SBS and then connect using Splashtop, Kainy, LimeLight, etc. You would be correct in that it wouldn't have head-tracking though (at least not without extra 3rd party sensors or using some software to forward the laggy/innaccurate sensors from the phone/tablet gyros or accelerometers). Still, both end up being Head Mounted Displays, whether they have frills or not.
I truly do wish for you to prove me wrong. If information is available for public consumption, what differentiates your product from others existing in the market? Is it basically just similar to Occulus Rift, but with a wirelessly connected screen powered by a 7 inch tablet (and thereby... upgradeable)? Do you plan to push for public availability prior to commercial release of the Rift?
I get you and agree that mobile gaming horsepower really isn't quite there yet, and the content _REALLY_ isn't there. There are maybe six or so competent shooters out there that were originally programmed for mobile (IE: not counting Quake recodes). As an aside, I do wonder if there a way to runtime modify OpenGL ES calls to force SBS rendering in such apps. I know ChainFire managed to have a Root-required piece of software that allowed for platform specific (Tegra-only, Adreno-only, etc) optimized games to run pretty well on other chipsets. However, that is neither here nor there.
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Okay... wait. You say that this is an HMD, but VRase isn't due to the fact you need to use a phone screen. When clearly the difference for yours appears to be (at first glance) that you use a 7" tablet. I get that you have some integrated high-precision sensors, which obviously you wouldn't have if you were using VRase. Even using a simple solution like VRase you can do similar things with that. Yes, you can watch SBS formatted movies. You could also use software to request a GPU to render 3D in SBS and then connect using Splashtop, Kainy, LimeLight, etc. You would be correct in that it wouldn't have head-tracking though (at least not without extra 3rd party sensors or using some software to forward the laggy/innaccurate sensors from the phone/tablet gyros or accelerometers). Still, both end up being Head Mounted Displays, whether they have frills or not.
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Hey, I'm not trying to enter an argumente here with you man If you consider the two similar enough, fair play. They are, in more ways than one. The differences are subtle enough for the average user - size, scope, sensors, etc. As I said before, Vrase is for the casual user, our product would be more towards gaiming.
ryocoon said:
I truly do wish for you to prove me wrong. If information is available for public consumption, what differentiates your product from others existing in the market? Is it basically just similar to Occulus Rift, but with a wirelessly connected screen powered by a 7 inch tablet (and thereby... upgradeable)? Do you plan to push for public availability prior to commercial release of the Rift?
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You have to take into consideration that the "market" for these products is very much in its infancy. You have the Oculus Rift and then you have the others (Vrase, Durovis Dive, InfiniteEye, Viiwok Deva) which are adapters by all means. Our goal is to achieve full mobility, without that tangled mess. So there are about 4-5 products, out of which only the Rift is out (even though there isn't a commercial version yet) and the Vrase just finished its Kickstarter a couple of months ago. So there isn't much of a competetion between ourselfes. We're all just trying to push VR out in the open.
Yes, we are going to start a crowdfunding campaign this weekend, with delivery starting in April.
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I get you and agree that mobile gaming horsepower really isn't quite there yet, and the content _REALLY_ isn't there. There are maybe six or so competent shooters out there that were originally programmed for mobile (IE: not counting Quake recodes). As an aside, I do wonder if there a way to runtime modify OpenGL ES calls to force SBS rendering in such apps. I know ChainFire managed to have a Root-required piece of software that allowed for platform specific (Tegra-only, Adreno-only, etc) optimized games to run pretty well on other chipsets. However, that is neither here nor there.
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I totally agree. Mobile SBS gaming isn't here now, and one can only hope for things to change this year. Maybe products like ours will help push things in that direction. Android exclusive content is made of movies and a number of tech-demos here and there (most from Durovis, using Unity engine). So we're focusing to PC titles for the moment, going the streaming way.
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Only some years ago we saw the first Android USB sticks, they were just a way to put the same hardware that most of mobile phones had but without including screen or camera...
Summary? Quite cheap gadgets with lots of possibilities. The mini PCs had been created!
The best of them was that they directly came with hundreds of thousands of applications (from GooglePlay) and almost everybody knew how to use them since it was the same Android platform they were using on their smartphones.
Beelink was one of the companies from the Shenzhen area (created on 2010) who specialized their activity on home entertainment equipment. And once again, as well as many other companies started manufacturing components until the moment they had cumulated enough knowledge to be able to design and manufacture their own (full products).
But then, on the traditional path of development, Beelink has chosen one interesting partnership: Intel.
Yes, with the huge development of Android devices, some chip manufacturers like Qualcomm, or more recently Mediatek, have experimented a great growth. So in 2013 Intel presented a new strategy focused on recovering this big part of the market they were loosing. And so we started to see a very small (but growing number) of devices equipped with Intel processors.
Of course most of the manufacturers are still presenting Android-based devices, because of 2 reasons: licence price and mobile oriented platform with already a great ecosystem of apps.
However, with the arrival of Intel to the playground, it opened the gate to other operating systems like Windows. And needless to say that Microsoft was also really interested on taking some part of the mobile market.
Putting together the acquired knowledge on MiniPCs and the possibilities of an Intel processor, Beelink bring to us the Intel Pocket P2, a powerful device within the smallest possible place, just a little bigger than an USB flash drive.
Just plugging it into our TV and we will have a full PC with big screen, offering a resolution of FullHD (1920x1080) perfect not only for work since we will have available Microsoft Office and all other Windows software, but a perfect gaming station.
We all know that Windows has the biggest catalog of games.
To make all that possible this small stick has inside a Quad-core Intel Z3735F processor inside and 2GB of DDR3 RAM memory, and all the rest we may need is already included: dual WiFi b/g/n antenna, BT 4.0, 32GB of flash drive for storage and of course the infrared sensor for a remote controller. On the side we will find SD card reader, micro USB for OTG purposes, jack output for audio and HDMI for plugging the screen.
The OS included is Windows 8.1 that will surely be updated to Windows 10 as Microsoft announced recently.
So, we have a very interesting device, I never imagined such an easy way to have a real Windows PC with tiny power consumption that we can bring to anyway for less than 100€.
I leave you here some pictures and the full table of specs
CPU Intel® Bay Trail CR,Z3735F
Graphics lntel® HD Graphics
Bluetooth BT 4.0
RAM DDR3 2GB
ROM Onboard eMMC Flash 32GB
Connectivity WIFI IEEE 802.11b/g/n ; Dual 2.400 GHz ~ 2.497 GHz (2.4 GHz ISM Band) ; IR Sensor ; BT 4.0; USB2.0; OTG Port
OS Support Windows 8.1
Power LED
Power Button
DC in Jack
SD Card Slot
Power management Adapter 5V 2A
Multi -language
Keyboard Qwerty keyboard
Support original ecology and AZW custom UI
Work Environment 5°C--35°C，30%--90% Humidity
Storage Environment -20°C--60°C，10%--90% Humidity
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Thanks OP. Do you have troubles when activated Windows 8.1?
Because i heard people said they have troubles on activating the system on their Axgio mini-pc.
Got a hot deal on fatwallet: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/1444331/?newest=1#last
Someone's talking about Windows 8.1 activation problem on it
Nice review. Been wondering about getting one myself.
Is it running Windows 8.1 with Bing?
I know some of these have some issues with the windows license (windows license is free for tablets <8" but this is no tablet), like the Pipo X7 (hence the more expensive Pipo X7S)
Good product though, still have some concerns about the operating experience and overheating problem caused by long time working. Is it easy to connect to the screen?
I also read a lot of user reviews that Windows wasnt activated and they also couldnt. The problem is that Windows 8.1 Bing editions is just free for tablets <8" I think. And this device is actually a desktop because having a HDMI. So youd need a normal Windows 8.1 license for it. I would buy one too but I cant find any information about the pirated Windows license or which ones have activated version on them.
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I also read a lot of user reviews that Windows wasnt activated and they also couldnt. The problem is that Windows 8.1 Bing editions is just free for tablets <8" I think. And this device is actually a desktop because having a HDMI. So youd need a normal Windows 8.1 license for it. I would buy one too but I cant find any information about the pirated Windows license or which ones have activated version on them.
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Iv got the Ainol,pipo x7 & the beelink pocket p1 all of them came with windows 8.1 bing fully activated NOT pirated..The pipo also comes with office 365 which alone is worth £50 but the pipo does over heat a lot
blinkone said:
Iv got the Ainol,pipo x7 & the beelink pocket p1 all of them came with windows 8.1 bing fully activated NOT pirated..The pipo also comes with office 365 which alone is worth £50 but the pipo does over heat a lot
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Ive read all kind of other reviews, people got a 30days trial and it was activated. Also, even if the Bing edition is installed and activated, it's pirated, because like I said, Bing Edition is just allowed by MS on <8" devices, and this one has not even a display, it's a desktop PC.
Have the P1
Seems pretty good. Windows 8.1 activated no problem.
Reasonably snappy, haven't got past luke warm so far.
Have it running as media server for a Squeezbox & running well.
Managed to delete or corrupt the Bluetooth driver & struggling to fine a copy online...let me know if you can help!
No support online anywhere that I can fine... no response from Beelink.
Anyone know where might find appropriate driver?
I have the beelink p1 and the p2 both came activated even after a system refresh.
But I'm not seeing the windows 10 upgrade pop up on both. I also have a linx 8 tablet also running 8.1 with bing and that's not seeing it either. Hopefully win10 will be coming to these devices.
The P1 does get a little hot after a shot time of use but runs amazingly well.
The P2 runs cool no heat cooking. But it doesn't say in the specs but comes with a built in battery.
I think i'm going to try the P2... Nice price right now.
Thanks for the info
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Only some years ago we saw the first Android USB sticks, they were just a way to put the same hardware that most of mobile phones had but without including screen or camera...
Summary? Quite cheap gadgets with lots of possibilities. The mini PCs had been created!
The best of them was that they directly came with hundreds of thousands of applications (from GooglePlay) and almost everybody knew how to use them since it was the same Android platform they were using on their smartphones.
Beelink was one of the companies from the Shenzhen area (created on 2010) who specialized their activity on home entertainment equipment. And once again, as well as many other companies started manufacturing components until the moment they had cumulated enough knowledge to be able to design and manufacture their own (full products).
But then, on the traditional path of development, Beelink has chosen one interesting partnership: Intel.
Yes, with the huge development of Android devices, some chip manufacturers like Qualcomm, or more recently Mediatek, have experimented a great growth. So in 2013 Intel presented a new strategy focused on recovering this big part of the market they were loosing. And so we started to see a very small (but growing number) of devices equipped with Intel processors.
Of course most of the manufacturers are still presenting Android-based devices, because of 2 reasons: licence price and mobile oriented platform with already a great ecosystem of apps.
However, with the arrival of Intel to the playground, it opened the gate to other operating systems like Windows. And needless to say that Microsoft was also really interested on taking some part of the mobile market.
Putting together the acquired knowledge on MiniPCs and the possibilities of an Intel processor, Beelink bring to us the Intel Pocket P2, a powerful device within the smallest possible place, just a little bigger than an USB flash drive.
Just plugging it into our TV and we will have a full PC with big screen, offering a resolution of FullHD (1920x1080) perfect not only for work since we will have available Microsoft Office and all other Windows software, but a perfect gaming station.
We all know that Windows has the biggest catalog of games.
To make all that possible this small stick has inside a Quad-core Intel Z3735F processor inside and 2GB of DDR3 RAM memory, and all the rest we may need is already included: dual WiFi b/g/n antenna, BT 4.0, 32GB of flash drive for storage and of course the infrared sensor for a remote controller. On the side we will find SD card reader, micro USB for OTG purposes, jack output for audio and HDMI for plugging the screen.
The OS included is Windows 8.1 that will surely be updated to Windows 10 as Microsoft announced recently.
So, we have a very interesting device, I never imagined such an easy way to have a real Windows PC with tiny power consumption that we can bring to anyway for less than 100€.
I leave you here some pictures and the full table of specs
CPU Intel® Bay Trail CR,Z3735F
Graphics lntel® HD Graphics
Bluetooth BT 4.0
RAM DDR3 2GB
ROM Onboard eMMC Flash 32GB
Connectivity WIFI IEEE 802.11b/g/n ; Dual 2.400 GHz ~ 2.497 GHz (2.4 GHz ISM Band) ; IR Sensor ; BT 4.0; USB2.0; OTG Port
OS Support Windows 8.1
Power LED
Power Button
DC in Jack
SD Card Slot
Power management Adapter 5V 2A
Multi -language
Keyboard Qwerty keyboard
Support original ecology and AZW custom UI
Work Environment 5°C--35°C，30%--90% Humidity
Storage Environment -20°C--60°C，10%--90% Humidity
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Got this unit about 2 months ago, installed Windows 10 as soon it was available and it works perfectly
Unlike the original Intel compute stick, no problems with BT devices and no noise from fan.
Using it as a HTPC with Kodi (now on 15.2) and could not be more pleased.
It also runs Asphalt 8 with zero problems (and Xbox One gamepad support), so its ideal for a simple but usable Windows PC, either for entertainment or simple workstation.
One thing that i can't found is a method to access the firmware to unlock the CPU speed (its locked at max 1.33Ghz, so turbo mode is never activated if needed), anyone got suggestions?
Mirror please,software is unreachable
Now price of stick is amazing i got one already. But i do have problems with activation and downloading stuffs from baidu ,drivers etc. Please some one to make mirrors for latest firmware ,drivers-old ways to download from baidu didn't work .This is support page i try to write to this guys ,but more than a month zero answer.This is link of there download page,if someone know how to download without Chinese applications ,please do share
armagani said:
Now price of stick is amazing i got one already. But i do have problems with activation and downloading stuffs from baidu ,drivers etc. Please some one to make mirrors for latest firmware ,drivers-old ways to download from baidu didn't work .This is support page i try to write to this guys ,but more than a month zero answer.This is link of there download page,if someone know how to download without Chinese applications ,please do share
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What are you talking about? The P2 comes with Win8.1 in English and ZERO software from 3rd parties.
You can stick a USB bootable storage device on one of the USB ports and install any OS you want from scratch...
If you choose windows 10 or even 8 the hardware is all detected and supported out of the box, plus windows update will install the latest ones. As for firmware, as far as i know there aren't any updates/backups/images... you are stuck with the UEFI that came from factory.
I fond a new tablet tv box with window 10 dual boot,it can be used to tablet pc and tv box.I think it's very good.
Specification:
Windows10 & Android4.4 Dual OS
8.9 inch 1920 x 1200 LCD screen display
Intel Z3736F Quad Core up to 1.83GHz
2GB DDR3L RAM + 32GB ROM
Intel HD Graphics
Support Bluetooth 4.0
802.11b/g/n LAN
Built-in Speaker and Mic
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Here are my thoughts on this device. Bear in mind that I am new to this category of devices. To me this device is a TV Dongle / box that tries to be a tablet. Either that or its a tablet with Identity crisis. This is marketed as a Tablet or MiniPC. This I suppose it can do with caveats. As a TV Box, its got advantages compared to other devices in that category and some downsides as well.As a tablet, it does not do well compared to the other devices in that category. But I am getting ahead of myself.
SPECIFICATIONS -
Display - 1920*1200 full HD
CPU - Intel Atom Z3736F up to 2.16Ghz
RAM - 2GB DDR3L
Storage - 32GB or 64GB (Mine is 32 GB)
OS - Windows 10 Home and Android 4.4 dual boot
I/O ports - 1X Micro SD slot,
4X USB Type A
AV out
Audio out
RS232 optional (DB-9)
HDMI output
Network - Wifi 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth 4.0
Power - 12V 2.4A
OVERALL IMPRESSIONS -
Being powered by Intel, usually means good things. Especially with the whole Win-tel combination dominating PC world for years. However in recent years, Intel's foray into the world of tablets has had mixed response. Those devices are great as a portable computer or Net Enabled device. However, when you consider Non-Windows tablets, the place is dominated by other SoC Manufacturers. Particularly in case of Android, there has been very little support from developer community to Intel based devices. So you are likely to see smaller collection of apps in Google Play for Intel based devices. Now, if we were to look at TV Sticks/ Mini PCs, the things go further downhill. For one, Intel has decided to exit this market. So, no wonder the response to Nexus Player based on Intel has been tapering.
Given that kind of background, we take a look at the Pipo X9. To be honest, I do feel that this device is attempting to perform different roles for different people and ends up being jack of all trades. For one, the lack of a battery pretty much kills any aspirations it has of becoming a tablet. Being permanently tied to the wall is not anyone's idea of a portability. That being said, the wedge shape also precludes being portable.
As far as ports and interfaces are concerned, we do have decent coverage. Along the right side, we have a pair of USB ports along with a Earphone jack and the speaker. That side also happens to have the power button and volume control. Along the back side, we have another pair of USB ports accompanied by the expected HDMI port and RJ-45 lan port. There's also a slot for a micro-sd card. But I won't be using that at least. That side also sports a big Wireless Antenna making for a pretty stable wireless connection. The X9, when booted, offers a choice of booting in either windows or Android with a default to whatever OS you were in last time.
WINDOWS EXPERIENCE -
Honestly, I am not a big fan of Windows touch. As a desktop OS, it has its place and uses. However, I found that accuracy of recognizing touches as being low. Being able to get to what I want efficiently is not straightforward. But let's not delve into merits of Windows.
The X9 when booted into windows 10 home, brings you to an unsecure user login. I found the navigation was similar to my other laptop with Windows 10. The fact that this is more portable than the laptop does make it easy. So if it comes to hooking up your laptop to a TV vs the X9, the X9 wins hands down. I do think it actually puts windows touch to a good use that it was meant to do, when connecting to a TV. With VLC picked up from App store, I soon had a nice movie going from network location. Sound reproduction was pretty good but albeit on the low side. However, Gearbest.com had also sent me Bluedio H+ turbine with the X9. So the sound problem was temporarily sidelined.
ANDROID EXPERIENCE -
Android side when treated as a TV Stick and not as a tablet, then you are working with right expectations. You have Android Kitkat out of box with possibility of update down the road. I won't hold my breath though. Essentially, its 8 & 1/2 inch form factor is slightly larger than that of your average TV mini-pc. You have pretty much 8 GB allocated to Android if you have 32 GB version. There's not much bloat out of box. The apps are pretty much standard plain vanilla Android. I was wondering about the Root. However, when I installed SuperSU, it informed me that its already rooted and just needs newer binaries. That updated, Root Checker confirmed that I have root. That's one less to worry about.
However, the Intel Graphic Chip offers additional up-conversion of the HDMI signal offering better hardware decoding. This shows up when you play movies at 1080p. The HDMI out does its job. Unfortunately, the device is not recognized as a CEC Device (Consumer Electronic Control). Oh well, think I am being picky.
CONCLUSION -
The Pipo X9 is a decent TV Stick with a Dual Boot of Windows 10 or Android Kitkat. The Intel Z3736F's Quad Cores offer decent performance without any lag or delay for normal web browsing or playing off of Youtube. As a TV mini-pc, the X9 offers greater flexibility of a touchscreen without having to use a remote. Its built-in speakers are good enough for the job but may appear as limited due to the form factor. Performance over Bluetooth is nice over a distance of 10 meters. HDMI performance is on par with other TV Sticks based on AMLOGIC Chipsets.
How can I connect my external HDD to USB and find out it in Android mode?
My external HDD is using NTFS format as It can share with Windows and storage files larger than 4GB (films)
You may connect it with the USB Port. But this device does not offer OTG.
Do you know how to boot this device into recovery? Or get it to boot from USB stick? I just bought one and want to make a full image backup before I start messing about with it.
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Do you know how to boot this device into recovery? Or get it to boot from USB stick? I just bought one and want to make a full image backup before I start messing about with it.
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You can try quick boot app on android.
Custom rom?
Does anybody know whether there a custom rom (Android 5 . ...) for these devices?
Thank you!
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Do you know how to boot this device into recovery? Or get it to boot from USB stick? I just bought one and want to make a full image backup before I start messing about with it.
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Just bought the X9S, but the windows installation was corrupt. Installed a new copy of Windows 10 from Microsoft. Works well but lacks a lot of drivers and can't find them!!!
Make a bootable USB and plug it in the console. Then hold in the volume up and down buttons when you switch it on. This should put you into the BIOS menu. Change the boot order to boot from USB first. USB stick needs to be plugged in or BIOS won't see it and give you the option. You also need a USB mouse/keyboard plugged in to make your selection!
You can apparently also press f7 if you have the keyboard and USB stick plugged in.
Make sure you obtain the drivers as wireless and touchscreen among other things won't work without them!
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You can put Windows 10 Pro on an X9.
Create a bootable Windows 10 USP Stick from ISO. Plug in and start the Pipo X9. Before also plugin a mouse and a keyboard. When starting your Pipo press F11 and you will see the Bios setting.
Set your USB stick in the boot menue on first position and start again. During installation from windows you have to remove all partitions so that you have only one partion. Go on installing Windows 10 Pro.
Off course you will so loose your android partition but if you need you can install later again. Your Bootmenue from Pipo will not be lost.
For the missing drivers i used a windows software called "Driver Booster" from IOBIT. With this software i can install all the missing driver because it searched for them and installed them. I think it also works for X9S.
Good luck.
Hi. I bough a Pipo and sent it back because touch screen isuues. I got a new one with the same problem: the touch sensitivity is bad. For the ones with the same problem, I installed TouchRecalibrate.apk in android
The app isn't in the app store. I used it and I can say that it increases the touch accurancy very much. It still not perfect, but i feel a very noticeable improvement
bnateu said:
How can I connect my external HDD to USB and find out it in Android mode?
My external HDD is using NTFS format as It can share with Windows and storage files larger than 4GB (films)
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We use PIPO x9 in W10 mode to display Movies for public though HDMI 40 feet away form the PIPO, under W10 you'd instantly have access to your HD ntfs...
..our solution
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Do you know how to boot this device into recovery? Or get it to boot from USB stick? I just bought one and want to make a full image backup before I start messing about with it.
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Hi DJDmond,
....Hi just came here for the exact same wish !!!
First I know you can boot - other Android device - into Recovery mode using HOME+POWER+VOLUME DOWN press down all at the same time.
As soon as the reboot starts, you may press VOLUME UP to have the Recovery menu appears !
I'm interested in knowing if you could make any backup of your PIPO
(and possibly restore it sucessfully with any software - even more crucial)
My pipo is in use so I cannot really afford to "jam it" doing backup/restore ops.
Can you update us about that ?
Tks.
PIPO X9 user. / W10 mode
Ey guys, i removed the android partitions from windows and i am trying to extend the windows C partition. but the order of the partitions in windows dont allow me to do that.
My last option is to reinstall windows 10 completely. I am trying to get the latest version of windows 10 on there.
I have the 32 GB (not so dual boot anymore ) and the current windows partition is 20GB.
Is there a way to boot in to the USB?
thank you
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Looks pretty nice, I'd like to know how good of a Ubuntu PC it could be.
By the way, if you haven't noticed, you get $20 discount if you enter your email.
There are some extra components if you are willing to expand your geekbox, such as a screen display (2048x1546) or an extra circuit with extra I/O connectors. This is surely a promising project.
can it be used as a tv box but also a tablet pc?
FumiJ said:
can it be used as a tv box but also a tablet pc?
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Can't see why not
Being able to customise and program the limitations should be up to your own imagination of what this device could.
Yet to be seen in the field so unsure at the moment how any of the software performs.
Landingship and Bits
Images of the other bits of the Geekbox:
Landingship
Hi Gain Antenna
Dupont Cables
USB to Serial connection
RTC Battery
Keeping it Cool
7.9inch LCD Panel
All plugged in and ready to go
There also is a possibility of a larger LCD and casing to fit Landingship and geekbox.
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Geekbox.tv $20 Coupon:
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Where's the coupon?
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Where's the coupon?
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By clicking on link it will take you there
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By clicking on link it will take you there
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Oh, I see it now, the website wasn't loading properly and there was nothing there. Thanks, lol.
If this device does not deserve a large Dev community with custom ROM's & Kernels etc, I do not know what does.
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If this device does not deserve a large Dev community with custom ROM's & Kernels etc, I do not know what does.
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Why?
Because duh it looks like a very good product for us tech geeks, that's why.
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help...!!!!
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help...!!!!
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O/P has been updated Updated...
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Subscribing, this box is bad a$$ its got a 2.5" HDD port on the landing ship. I have a 256gb Kingston SSD just waiting for a project like this. I bought a nexus player on sale at Walmart with plans on expanding storage via micro usb and making it into an emulator slash Kodi player but the connection to the micro usb is just to slow and stutters so I couldn't get all the games i wanted to install on it, but this beautiful devices looks as if it will run all the emulators I want and stream movies just fine. I wonder if reicast (dreamcast emulator) will work on it.
GeekBox in Action
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV36XiClfNA
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Geekbox in Action
Unboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV36XiClfNA
GeekBox Android & Ubuntu Dual Boot Review
https://youtu.be/vEVSo33i7e4
GeekBox TV BOX BizOS Review
https://youtu.be/9J2pgaqXUoY
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worth noting, it comes pre-rooted too, and does not share the recovery partition issues of some other streaming devices -- recovery is safe on it's own partition just like phones and tabs.
Sterist said:
worth noting, it comes pre-rooted too, and does not share the recovery partition issues of some other streaming devices -- recovery is safe on it's own partition just like phones and tabs.
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Really good to know, thanks for sharing...
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Subscribing, this box is bad a$$ its got a 2.5" HDD port on the landing ship. I have a 256gb Kingston SSD just waiting for a project like this. I bought a nexus player on sale at Walmart with plans on expanding storage via micro usb and making it into an emulator slash Kodi player but the connection to the micro usb is just to slow and stutters so I couldn't get all the games i wanted to install on it, but this beautiful devices looks as if it will run all the emulators I want and stream movies just fine. I wonder if reicast (dreamcast emulator) will work on it.
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Yeah I really like that 2.5" sata connector as well. Too bad we cant use that to install Android and Ubuntu onto, that would be most incredible. Would love to see how Android performs on a real fast storage device. I'd buy that NP off of you if your not going to use it, lol. I need to get one of those someday soon.
NOTE** ON NOUGAT THIS WILL ONLY WORK ON AOSP/LOS TYPE ROM'S IT WILL RUN ON OOS BUT WILL FAIL AFTER UP TO 10 MINUTES, OREO WORKS ON BOTH OOS AND AOSP /LOS
Hi All,
Have always wanted to be able to TV out from my android devices, gaming predominantly (but it works great with Keyboard and mouse for office type work and email)
I don't play all the time; but every now and again in work or whilst travelling it's a cool thing to do, especially when you can max it out on a TV and have very little input lag, bluetooth pad and a decent game.
In the past I've had a couple of connectors:
Samsung MHL (official) £27
Anker USB-C - HUB £39.99
Both did the job perfectly on previous devices quite well and have been re-used since when the tech was there to be used.
However with the Oneplus 5 and other similar devices (s8, LG G6, probably the U11 and the Pixel / Pixel 2) They did not include the hardware for us to be able to TV out with a cable that has worked in the past, like the ones I've listed.
Here's a good read on different USB-C devices just incase you'd like to see why this is and what OEM's are putting into their devices nowadays: https://www.cnet.com/uk/how-to/usb-type-c-thunderbolt-3-one-cable-to-connect-them-all/
The good news is there's a way round it and the only way around it I've seen is to use Displaylink tech, for the most part they work quite well however there are some limitations, in the past for example you could charge your device at the same time; for whatever reason Displaylink doesn't allow that, you can power the dock but not the phone which is a shame, they're pretty expensive, although some are substantially cheaper than others.
Here's a proof of video, not doing too much just navigating menus, but it does work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXhPvW-aOtY
There is another downside which I'm trying to figure out (please if anyone can help with that I'd really appreciate it)
This does not work on OOS type ROM's for the moment. <----------Nougat only, Oreo is fine now.
If you are running LOS or AOSP type ROM's this will work perfectly, tested thoroughly with RR <------- Again this refers to Nougat only, Oreo works as expected with both OOS and AOSP/LOS
Here's the link to the dock / App and converter I'd suggest to use, it's small (ish) and with a USB-C to USB-A (female) converter it connects without fuss, you'd also need the Displaylink application for this to function.
Note* It's quite difficult to find one of these available now but if the Displaylink tech is the key to it then any adapter should work, I've also tested my 1+5 on a dual link display dock (targus) and that works fine too.
Displaylink devices from Displaylink
http://www.displaylink.com/products/find?cat=3&maxd=1
Dock
http://www.targus.com/uk/usb-multi-display-adapter-black-aca928euz
USB-C Converter
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MYPX7Y8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
App for Android
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.displaylink.presenter
Just install the application
Connect the converter to the dock, power on the monitor / TV and then plug it in.
Once plugged in you'll get a prompt, agree and start presenting (Check the box to not show again)
That's it.
Any questions let me know
Do the other ports on that that Targus dock work while using VGA/HDMI? For example, can I still use the extra USB port for a keyboard? What about the ethernet port?
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Do the other ports on that that Targus dock work while using VGA/HDMI? For example, can I still use the extra USB port for a keyboard? What about the ethernet port?
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Yes they all work as expected, i believe the Ethernet is the only one which doesn't, untested.
The rest are fine, you can also power it with a 5V DC micro USB
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There's a possibility that this could help.
I'll test this today..
I'll also grab every kernel to see if they have a positive impact.
Fingers crossed.
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what do you think about this: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B074GVM8V4?psc=1
or this one: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B074362CZC?psc=1
Low power mode from the app did nothing, froze at 8 mins.
Kernels next.
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what do you think about this: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B074GVM8V4?psc=1
or this one: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B074362CZC?psc=1
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No none of them use display link technology so they will simply not be detected.
I have tried around 10 different docks, all of which work on my HTC 10 as it does have the hardware, but the OnePlus and literally all this year's flagships do not, I'd be interested to see if the HTC u11 had added the hardware for TV out.
Won't help us but it says a lot for HTC not complying to Google's standards.
Google for whatever reason actually have a USB-C - HDMI cable which they are still selling but it doesn't work on the pixel?? Figure that one out lol.
I do think that one of these Displaylink adapters which perhaps requires slightly less power will be perfect for what we need, so size wise you're heading in the right direction.
Here's the smallest one I've seen but haven't tested yet, I'm sure there are thousands out there.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00UZXY4UY/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_mwRRzbAS7BA7H
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http://plugable.com/products/usbc-6950-hdmi/
its available on amazon for about 100$
seems the better solution because you dont need an usb-c adapter
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http://plugable.com/products/usbc-6950-hdmi/
its available on amazon for about 100$
seems the better solution because you dont need an usb-c adapter
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Aye not cheap.
Soon as you put Displaylink on it it doubles in price...
I need to buy the cheaper,/ smaller option.
Testing with Resurrection remix, has been rolling Youtube now for over 2 hours without a single hang or hiccup.
Luckily RR now has the OOS camera installed which works almost as expected (missing exposure shots in pro mode and the depth effect notification)
Beyond that it's a beast of a ROM so i'll be sticking with this as everything I need now works.
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Hi Dladz
Just wanted to let you know that I, for one, am watching this thread and others on which you are posting about displaylink and the OnePlus 5. I too am interested in using it as a retro console emulator and other things.
If you do find a way to get these displaylink devices working on the stock device - I'd love to know!!
[Also, as an aside, if you've found a good setup using RetroArch or other apps on this device, I'm sure there'd be others that would also appreciate your thoughts]
Thanks mate
rmold
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Hi Dladz
Just wanted to let you know that I, for one, am watching this thread and others on which you are posting about displaylink and the OnePlus 5. I too am interested in using it as a retro console emulator and other things.
If you do find a way to get these displaylink devices working on the stock device - I'd love to know!!
[Also, as an aside, if you've found a good setup using RetroArch or other apps on this device, I'm sure there'd be others that would also appreciate your thoughts]
Thanks mate
rmold
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Haven't used retro arch.
The best combination I've found is listed.
None of the kernels I've tried have changed anything at all, reason I hadn't mentioned anything is because I wanted to bring don't good news.
Best combo is for rooted phones.
Any ROM besides OOS type ROMs.
Personally using fusion as it has the OOS camera working pretty much perfectly.
Os wise there is little to no difference, even the battery life is amazing.
The power issue is beyond me, so unless a Dev wants to take a look I can't see it getting done.
Plus as I'm very happy with this ROM and there is very little if any reason to go back to OOS I think this is where it ends mate.
Thing is, it you're stock then it won't work, it you're rooted then there's no reason to stay with an OOS ROM, there are more options on non OOS, themes even work better.
Beyond that the only issue is the pricing, haven't bought the smaller dock yet, I'm still using the one I've listed.
Does work very well.
Updated OP for use with Oreo, now OOS allows usage past 10 minutes. Works really well.
Could you try and tell me if DRM protected apps (like Netflix) are working with this adapter? If you record your display it wont be shown.
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Could you try and tell me if DRM protected apps (like Netflix) are working with this adapter? If you record your display it wont be shown.
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No nothing is protected at all, it is usually around a 30-40fps mirror of what is on your device, couple it with a keyboard and mouse and it's a little computer , I use Citrix for work on it, it's absolutely superb, you would be forgiven for thinking it's a computer.
The rules that come with wireless devices like Chromecast do not apply here at all and never will.
Your only problem is actually buying the device, I've got several, two of which I like the rest are too big to carry around although they do provide much higher fps and sightly faster latency, but the small one I have listed does a great job, for media it's perfect, gaming is fine.
Is this really the least expensive option for wired display? I could buy a new monitor for the price of that Targus thing.
the other limitation is the resolution. just 1920 × 1080 possible. would be really cool if they update the driver to support higher res.
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the other limitation is the resolution. just 1920 × 1080 possible. would be really cool if they update the driver to support higher res.
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It would cripple performance
Uploading a new video showing PPSSPP in action with a little more clarity.
Running Oreo v 8.0 on xXx No Limits 9.5 with elemental X Kernel.
New video showcasing some games
Perfect on Oreo.