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Currently I'm an HD2 user. I like the fact that Android has started to port onto the HD2. Still I know it's a long ways from being done or close to done and so far the only one I can think of being anywhere near done is the TP and TP2. Both have been out long enough to at least have the Android port worked on for a longer time. While I do read that it's good a lot of Android phone users suggest that the porting comes no where near close to how well the real Android phones work. Is this true? As far as apps and functionality and comparability goes how close is the Android port to the real thing? Would some of you rather have a real Android phone instead of this?
Phenomenon said:
Currently I'm an HD2 user. I like the fact that Android has started to port onto the HD2. Still I know it's a long ways from being done or close to done and so far the only one I can think of being anywhere near done is the TP and TP2. Both have been out long enough to at least have the Android port worked on for a longer time. While I do read that it's good a lot of Android phone users suggest that the porting comes no where near close to how well the real Android phones work. Is this true? As far as apps and functionality and comparability goes how close is the Android port to the real thing? Would some of you rather have a real Android phone instead of this?
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The closest to a native Android device would be the vogue. They pretty much have functionality everywhere and even flash to nand. In comparison we aren't too far behind as the things we are currently lacking is the camera.
Obviously there are bugs here and there but its still usable. Older builds are more stable and we've just recently jumped onto 2.2 Froyo so it will take some time to fix the bugs. We've actually accomplished something great and actually surpass a native android phone in benchmark scores even though our devices aren't hugely optimized. I've seen the HD2 video booting XDANDROID; i've even posted it in our 2.1 thread and from what i see its was running pretty quick during the SetupWizard. cough* cough* ...snapdragon ;p
Lastly yes i would never go back to WM or even get an iphone. I've bought a nexus one and have never looked back. From what i see once you go Android you don't go back and at Google IO they certainly showed us why.
I would love to start adding support for HD2 for XDANDROID. But i'm currently busy with my new role as Moderator
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The closest to a native Android device would be the vogue. They pretty much have functionality everywhere and even flash to nand. In comparison we aren't too far behind as the things we are currently lacking is the camera.
Obviously there are bugs here and there but its still usable. Older builds are more stable and we've just recently jumped onto 2.2 Froyo so it will take some time to fix the bugs. We've actually accomplished something great and actually surpass a native android phone in benchmark scores even though our devices aren't hugely optimized. I've seen the HD2 video booting XDANDROID; i've even posted it in our 2.1 thread and from what i see its was running pretty quick during the SetupWizard. cough* cough* ...snapdragon ;p
Lastly yes i would never go back to WM or even get an iphone. I've bought a nexus one and have never looked back. From what i see once you go Android you don't go back and at Google IO they certainly showed us why.
I would love to start adding support for HD2 for XDANDROID. But i'm currently busy with my new role as Moderator
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buts thats interesting. You said you got a Nexus One is that because you just felt like the android porting for this phone wasn't good enough?
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buts thats interesting. You said you got a Nexus One is that because you just felt like the android porting for this phone wasn't good enough?
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I got a nexus one because its cool and has great specs and also because of the android ports. You cant stay on the same phone forever and it was time for me to upgrade and at the time TP2 or topaz didn't interest me. So i decided to wait for N1
For me it is very close to replacing WM on my raph110. Really, battery life issue is holding me back. I can turn off sync and run as "just a phone" for a long time, but as soon as I start to use it as a smartphone, I better make sure I am near a power supply.
As a phone its better than winmo IMO, making and receiving calls and SMS is downright clunky in WM compared to these android builds.
All it would take for me to switch is the ability to run with sync on, and use some moderate smartphone-y features here and there for an entire day and I am set. At the moment I use android when I am plugged in, then reboot into WM when I know I am going to be away from power for a length of time.
Compared to other android phones I have played with, the raph seems downright speedy. Most time when I have played with android phones they seem laggy and slow, where my phone with these android builds seems much more responsive and mostly lag free. I have considered picking up an Aria if I come across a cheap one but only because of the battery thing and no other reason.
To give you more info I have a Fuze (raph110) and run NRG's WM 6.5.5 / SenseUI 2.5 ROMs.
The best part of this project is you run WinMo in tandem - Android is simply running off of the SD card, so there's virtually nothing that would break your phone or SD card permanently. All of the outright hardware failures I've seen in any forum related to this project has been a simple hardware failure - nothing with Android broke the device basically.
So try it out! You've got nothing to lose. Then you'll have a much better idea of how 'functional' it is
Well I have tried it on the HD2, but nothing is exactly functional to say the least. I mean, it runs, but not much else to say about it. I wonder when they port and finish being able to get the antennae working, gps, camera, wifi, bt, etc. what all that will mean as far as how functional it will be. Will programs be able to be installed and USE all the functional devices? Games supposedly need OpenGl to work and I bet that is another can of worms. I'm all for it working and everything, but I wonder if when the project ends will it be that much better or am I better off getting a Nexus One in the end.
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Well I have tried it on the HD2, but nothing is exactly functional to say the least. I mean, it runs, but not much else to say about it. I wonder when they port and finish being able to get the antennae working, gps, camera, wifi, bt, etc. what all that will mean as far as how functional it will be. Will programs be able to be installed and USE all the functional devices? Games supposedly need OpenGl to work and I bet that is another can of worms. I'm all for it working and everything, but I wonder if when the project ends will it be that much better or am I better off getting a Nexus One in the end.
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Well I don't know if it'll *ever* be truly perfect compared to native devices... but looking at a) what we have working on our TP's and b) what the vogue guys have working on their devices....
Basically it looks like it'll be darned close to having an actual Android device... which is amazing, to say in the least. I'm not sure how long the vogue's battery lasts, but other than that and camera, our devices are fairly complete on the hardware front. Vogue's even have a functional camera!
3d is also working, so OpenGL will not be a problem It's just a matter of getting the 3d drivers for the GPU!
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Well I don't know if it'll *ever* be truly perfect compared to native devices... but looking at a) what we have working on our TP's and b) what the vogue guys have working on their devices....
Basically it looks like it'll be darned close to having an actual Android device... which is amazing, to say in the least. I'm not sure how long the vogue's battery lasts, but other than that and camera, our devices are fairly complete on the hardware front. Vogue's even have a functional camera!
3d is also working, so OpenGL will not be a problem It's just a matter of getting the 3d drivers for the GPU!
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So what do you think it's worth holding onto the device and not just get an Android device just yet? How long would you all feel it'll be till Android is as usable on the HD2 as it is on the Vogue or any multi-boot device?
Also, still what about the programs? Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?
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So what do you think it's worth holding onto the device and not just get an Android device just yet? How long would you all feel it'll be till Android is as usable on the HD2 as it is on the Vogue or any multi-boot device?
Also, still what about the programs? Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?
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In the end its entirely up to you. The HD2 has started on its journey to port linux and there no timeline on when it will be done. Even our linux kernel is not complete but devs are working on it and it grows and grows.
So if you have the dough and time go and try out a android device and see what you think. If you like go buy it otherwise be patient like most other members and you'll see a functional port guarenteed.
Apps will work if you have the function available in most cases.
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In the end its entirely up to you. The HD2 has started on its journey to port linux and there no timeline on when it will be done. Even our linux kernel is not complete but devs are working on it and it grows and grows.
So if you have the dough and time go and try out a android device and see what you think. If you like go buy it otherwise be patient like most other members and you'll see a functional port guarenteed.
Apps will work if you have the function available in most cases.
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Exactly. I used XDAndroid on my Fuze to decide that Android was in fact for me, and I bought a Motorola Milestone. We have a mostly working system here, the battery life sucks and theres no camera (and there was no bluetooth when I upgraded, nor was there 3D obviously, and Cellular had problems staying connected) but I was able to get a feel for the Android system, the market, what was out there and decided to make a go of it. I've been quite happy. I keep coming back to see Android on my Fuze because I have a feeling that it'll make a good spare device, or a giveaway device, or whatever. Even if it is just an MP3 player with a prepaid SIM in it that I can leave under the seat of my car - I'll be getting more mileage on this device running Android than I would on Windows Mobile.
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....I'll be getting more mileage on this device running Android than I would on Windows Mobile.....
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Agreed, Im just disolved now with WM, had a look at XDAndroid and am impressed big time.
Once this is an every-day OS to run (in terms of battery life and stability) I will have the device I wanted to start with....forward facing cameras for video calling (when its available), hardware keyboard and a nice form factor.
XDAndroid runs seemigly far nicer than the native OS the phone was designed for!!! Says it all!!
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Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?
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Shopsavvy will not work properly on the Vogue because the camera on the Vogue has a fixed focus, and the barcode recognition algorithm in Barcode Scanner (ZXing) and Shopsavvy is not advanced enough to recognize blurred barcodes like RedLaser can on the iPhone 2G/3G. Once the camera works on the RAPH, Shopsavvy should do well on it since as far as I know the camera has autofocus.
Camera apps in general are hit and miss because Android has a rather poor camera API which exposes a lot of the underlying camera implementation (color space, framerate, encoding) to the app trying to use the camera - this is why whenever a new official Android phone comes out there are generally new versions of camera apps on the market (the Samsung Moment was the worst culprit of this - almost no camera applications worked out-of-the-box on it).
But as a rule of thumb - yes - the phone is running Android and the fine people working on development try to implement everything to spec, so for all intents it appears to an application the same as any "official" phone does. As a matter of fact, the Android porting community is doing *exactly* what a phone manufacturer does internally when releasing a new Android phone - just more publicly and with less documentation and more reverse-engineering.
I love xdandroid,i don't use camera so only the market bug in the latest froyo bulid is a bad thing for me,but i think that babijoee and all the xdandroid team can fix it.
the only thing that i wish is a flashable android so no more wm!
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I love xdandroid,i don't use camera so only the market bug in the latest froyo bulid is a bad thing for me,but i think that babijoee and all the xdandroid team can fix it.
the only thing that i wish is a flashable android so no more wm!
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What Market bug? Did you try deleting your data.img?
i think all the new problems may be due to old data.img
Since the framework and structure of the updates are always updated/changing we do require people to have a new data.img
If problems persist after making a new data.img then we will have to look into it
The camera and the extremely innaccurate battery meter are dealbreakers for me I really hope you'll manage to fix it soon, btw why not make a thread called "What we're working on", would be pretty interesting
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What Market bug? Did you try deleting your data.img?
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Yeah i deleted it,2 times.
the problem is when i try to log in with a google account or when i try to create one,i put username and password,i press next and after 5 minutes it says impossible to connect to google's server
i connect through wi-fi and connection works...maybe i should try to log in when no sim inserted,because doing a fresh install of android without sim solved this problem when i was using donut 1.6
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Yeah i deleted it,2 times.
the problem is when i try to log in with a google account or when i try to create one,i put username and password,i press next and after 5 minutes it says impossible to connect to google's server
i connect through wi-fi and connection works...maybe i should try to log in when no sim inserted,because doing a fresh install of android without sim solved this problem when i was using donut 1.6
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Hrm. I've never had a problem "signing into" the Market... I guess I didn't even realize it had to sign in, but it does make sense.
Try the trick w/o the SIM card. I don't have a SIM, and I've never been able to reproduce the error.
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The camera and the extremely innaccurate battery meter are dealbreakers for me I really hope you'll manage to fix it soon, btw why not make a thread called "What we're working on", would be pretty interesting
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"Whatever we feel like today" doesn't seem very interesting.
Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?
which APIs and why are they removed?
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which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
Lolento said:
Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
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Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.
I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.
Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.
As you all know Google has rolled out android Oreo to the masses , including the pixel c . I've got the notification on may tablet but too afraid to click install since 7.1.2 working really well for me . My main concern is battery life , being burned with 7.0 before I rather weary of the new software update to 8.0 . I'm using my tablet primary to take notes on lectures so I need a solid battery life.
Can any of you give me an impression of performance and general usability of pixel c with android Oreo installed ? I am using stock pixel c without and root or modifications
Android O works like a charm on my Pixel C. The performance is good, generally no stuttering, lagging etc. Microsoft Word isn't working though, Google Docs saves the day. I use the tablet for notes in lectures too, and I easily get a day and a half of use.
Edit: I'm on stock Oreo, no root, no mods.
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Android O works like a charm on my Pixel C. The performance is good, generally no stuttering, lagging etc. Microsoft Word isn't working though, Google Docs saves the day. I use the tablet for notes in lectures too, and I easily get a day and a half of use.
Edit: I'm on stock Oreo, no root, no mods.
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It's nice to know . I'm using quid as my primary note taking app . The Oreo impression is generally best across all pixel devices except for people who wanted all of the new feature on their Nexus 5x. . . Anyways thanks for giving your input!
I guess I'll wait a couple of weeks before attempting to update . My exam is coming soon and I cannot accept change in my tablet yet.
P.s this forum is really quiet isn't it ?
Your welcome
I can imagine Android O isn't the best match with Nexus 5x. I had the 5x for a couple of months and all it did was throttle and stutter. My old Nexus 5 is way better on Nougat.
Yes, it's a little too quiet her here, hopefully it picks up.
OT: I tried to find Quid in Play Store, the only app I found was Quidd, a virtual sticker collector app in beta. Can't imagine it works well as a note app. Could you please guide me in the right direction?
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I can imagine Android O isn't the best match with Nexus 5x. I had the 5x for a couple of months and all it did was throttle and stutter. My old Nexus 5 is way better on Nougat.
Yes, it's a little too quiet her here, hopefully it picks up.
OT: I tried to find Quid in Play Store, the only app I found was Quidd, a virtual sticker collector app in beta. Can't imagine it works well as a note app. Could you please guide me in the right direction?
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sorry, stupid typo. i mean SQUID (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.steadfastinnovation.android.projectpapyrus)
Do you experience any lag on netflix app and youtube ?
did you do dirty upgrade ?
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sorry, stupid typo. i mean SQUID (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.steadfastinnovation.android.projectpapyrus)
Do you experience any lag on netflix app and youtube ?
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Thanks a lot! I'll give Squid a try, Do you use a pen?
I haven't actually used Netflix or Youtube, so I can't help you there. I enrolled in the beta program at dp4 and received an OTA of the public Oreo release about a week ago.
Only been on Oreo for a few days since installing and seems to be ok, no issues.
Doesn't "seem" to be a major update.
pjcons said:
Only been on Oreo for a few days since installing and seems to be ok, no issues.
Doesn't "seem" to be a major update.
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could you test whether pixel c with oreo support project treble ?
https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-android-oreo/
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Android O works like a charm on my Pixel C. The performance is good, generally no stuttering, lagging etc. Microsoft Word isn't working though, Google Docs saves the day. I use the tablet for notes in lectures too, and I easily get a day and a half of use.
Edit: I'm on stock Oreo, no root, no mods.
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Just received my OTA
it's downloading atm
What's the issue with Microsoft Word? Is it something that's gonna be fixed soon you think?
Edit: Oreo is up and running, and no issues with Microsoft Word.
farsiray said:
Just received my OTA
it's downloading atm
What's the issue with Microsoft Word? Is it something that's gonna be fixed soon you think?
Edit: Oreo is up and running, and no issues with Microsoft Word.
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Great news! Microsoft Word only produces a white screen on my device, same with Excel. Did you install Word before upgrading to Oreo?
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parental92 said:
could you test whether pixel c with oreo support project treble ?
https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-android-oreo/
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Sorry, Pixel C doesn't support project treble.
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Great news! Microsoft Word only produces a white screen on my device, same with Excel. Did you install Word before upgrading to Oreo?
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I've had both Word and Excel installed before upgrading to Oreo.
both apps work fine for me under Oreo. Would cleaning cache for these apps fix your white screens?
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I've had both Word and Excel installed before upgrading to Oreo.
both apps work fine for me under Oreo. Would cleaning cache for these apps fix your white screens?
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Clearing cache only gives me force close when trying to start the app. Force close is better than a white screen though.
Installed my OTA update to Oreo from Nougat 7.1.2 today. No issues so far but haven't really done alot either and update went smoothly.
I did notice that this Oreo update also shows a Updating Firmware splash screen that I've never noticed in other updates. Did I just not see them or is this new? What was changed in the FW?
I installed the update....
and apart from a oddity, where the update screen seemed to get stuck in a loop looking for further updates (I had to shut the pixel c down, and start it back up, to fix this)..it's been a fantastic update so far, very smooth and far more fluid. Everything seems to be a bit snappier, and it seems to be loading webpages and youtube more efficiently, and quickly..
BUT!!...I wouldn't recommend you update immediately if you, can't afford for anything to go wrong, as i tend to find that something will be broken somewhere, that we're not yet aware of (like Picture in Picture crashing when you try to use it)....
Maybe wait until you've got all your important stuff, out of the way before you update...
Hope this helps?
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Great news! Microsoft Word only produces a white screen on my device, same with Excel. Did you install Word before upgrading to Oreo?
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Sorry, Pixel C doesn't support project treble.
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nah , it´s okay. To be expected really. :angel: after all next month pixel c will be 2 years old.
No, afaik project treble will be available only on phones launching with O.
About my experience, the update seems pretty nice so far. The performance is about the same. I never had lag or bad perf on this tablet honestly. The only problem I have had are two random reboots two days ago. The rest is fine.
As with all major revisions of android, it will take some time before all the apps are fully compatible with the Os and use the new APIs.
So I flashed in fastboot and run magisk. There is a weird situation when you reboot to go into recovery it says it is flashing firmware, I not seen that message before.
Magisk works, passes safetynet check.
I saw mention that Word crashes, well that is still true initially, when I open a document, it opens then then closes again, tried it 3 times then it stayed open, something about needing to download fonts? So it works eventually.
Battery status is weird, when plugged into power it is says is it NOT charging, when I pull USB cable out, it says it is charging. Small bug, but what you expect for version 0 of 8.
Chrome closes and reopened a few times, but then settled.
I rolled back from clean Oreo to Pure Nexus 7.1.2.
The main reason why is unbearable lags in Youtube app - when the active video is minimized and you want to browse Youtube it's just completely unusable. I think couple of times it stayed this way even without a background video.
Overall I was not happy with the performance so went back to Nougat and the difference is night/day.
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I rolled back from clean Oreo to Pure Nexus 7.1.2.
The main reason why is unbearable lags in Youtube app - when the active video is minimized and you want to browse Youtube it's just completely unusable. I think couple of times it stayed this way even without a background video.
Overall I was not happy with the performance so went back to Nougat and the difference is night/day.
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yeah i hope that is getting fixed asap. it's really bugging me but not enough to roll back cuz battery life and performance are great otherwise
[Request] ota.zip dp4 android o
if anyone still keeps the file android o OTA dp4 for pixel c? all links for DP are down
Hi, I just got a Note 10+ and I haven't transferred over to it yet. I was playing around with it and before I knew it, the Android 11 update was pushed to it and as y'all know it forces it's way in even after you disable it. So far with minimal apps and no sim card, the phone seems fine. There are some missing edge panels I can't access anymore in the galazy store or google play for that matter.
That being said, are people here generally happy about Android 11? What are some well knwon issues?
I have been skeptical about Samsung phones since my Note 8 to Note 9. As they get updates, the phones start running more clunky. Almost like they purposefully want you to upgrade.
Android 11 (one UI 3.1) is all I know on this phone. I came from the Note 4 and S5. Just got my Note 10 as well with Android 9 and two days later did a system update to Android 11. For me, it was about 10 updates in a row and 2 or 3 of them were roughly 2GB. I should have done factory reset before doing the updates, but then again, I didn't have the phone that long before doing it. I wish there was a setting for the transparency on the notification pull down, apps drawer, recent apps, etc but's faily tastefully done. They give the option to change the tranpsarncy on the lock screen but not the main screen which is backwards. I don't like the new fat vertical volume sliders. They look nice but harder to use because your finger's in the way. LOL. The horizontal ones were wider than these are tall. Some say Android 11 is slower and harder on the battery. The battery life isn't as good as I hoped.
I don't have issues with Edge Screens missing in the Galaxy Store in Android 11. Never used Google Play for edge screens. but then again, I never used Edge Screens before, so I wouldn't know what was missing.
One thing I noticed right off the bat is the brightness of the Note10 isn't as bright when the brightness slider is set to the same position as my ancient S5. I put the display setting on Vivid and the white balance/gamma is too red. I put the Cool/Warm slider all the way to Cool and it's still a tad Red.
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Android 11 (one UI 3.1) is all I know on this phone. I came from the Note 4 and S5. Just got my Note 10 as well with Android 9 and two days later did a system update to Android 11. For me, it was about 10 updates in a row and 2 or 3 of them were roughly 2GB. I should have done factory reset before doing the updates, but then again, I didn't have the phone that long before doing it. I wish there was a setting for the transparency on the notification pull down, apps drawer, recent apps, etc but's faily tastefully done. They give the option to change the tranpsarncy on the lock screen but not the main screen which is backwards. I don't like the new fat vertical volume sliders. They look nice but harder to use because your finger's in the way. LOL. The horizontal ones were wider than these are tall. Some say Android 11 is slower and harder on the battery. The battery life isn't as good as I hoped.
I don't have issues with Edge Screens missing in the Galaxy Store in Android 11. Never used Google Play for edge screens. but then again, I never used Edge Screens before, so I wouldn't know what was missing.
One thing I noticed right off the bat is the brightness of the Note10 isn't as bright when the brightness slider is set to the same position as my ancient S5. I put the display setting on Vivid and the white balance/gamma is too red. I put the Cool/Warm slider all the way to Cool and it's still a tad Red.
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THere was this edge screen app called Edgeboard that used to be available and was available on my Note 9. It's no longer available
So battery life is shorter and Note 10+ is slower on Android 11. FFS
I don't see Edgeboard in the Galaxy Store. Just repeating what little I read about Android 11 and battery life and performance. Maybe others can chime in. I'm sure it's mentioned in this forum in detail.
Pie is so much better.
I'll never leave 10 or 11 load on my 10+ which is a fast and very stable platform that's running very well. Security is more than adequate.
Some of my best trusted app's functionality be destroyed by the it.
It's big sister crapware
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Pie is so much better.
I'll never leave 10 or 11 load on my 10+ which is a fast and very stable platform that's running very well. Security is more than adequate.
Some of my best trusted app's functionality be destroyed by the it.
It's big sister crapware
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How is Pie better though?
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How is Pie better though?
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Overlays allowed, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage, trusted apps like Karma Firewall's logging feature is fully functional.
For a few perks you trade major functionality in the name of security and privacy.
When Google is the biggest imbedded privacy issue to begin with.
As for security... no saving a dumb bunny.
Sorry Gookill, I'm not buying it
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Overlays allowed, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage, trusted apps like Karma Firewall's logging feature is fully functional.
For a few perks you trade major functionality in the name of security and privacy.
When Google is the biggest imbedded privacy issue to begin with.
As for security... no saving a dumb bunny.
Sorry Gookill, I'm not buying it
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Ah I don't even know what any of those things are. I've been out of the Rooting business for a while. I don't know what those items I bolded would do for me
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Ah I don't even know what any of those things are. I've been out of the Rooting business for a while. I don't know what those items I bolded would do for me
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I'm not rooted.
Ignorance is bliss... so they say
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I'm not rooted.
Ignorance is bliss... so they say
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What are overlays and scoped storage and what does Karma Firewall do for you? @blackhawk
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What are overlays and scoped storage and what does Karma Firewall do for you? @blackhawk
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I gave you an app example of an overlay and one reason why scoped storage is undesirable.
Here's what I can see in Karma running on Pie.
Anybody else?
This gem...
WHERE TO FIND STOCK ANDROID R (11) LATEST UPDATE BL7 NOT BL6 FOR SAMSUNG NOTE 10+5G
HI Guys. I messed my phone on which had installed the latest update of Android 11 which can't downgrade to the same android 11 because of new policy. I need to find only the latest version of android 11 bl7 to flash it.. Do you know where I can...
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This gem...
WHERE TO FIND STOCK ANDROID R (11) LATEST UPDATE BL7 NOT BL6 FOR SAMSUNG NOTE 10+5G
HI Guys. I messed my phone on which had installed the latest update of Android 11 which can't downgrade to the same android 11 because of new policy. I need to find only the latest version of android 11 bl7 to flash it.. Do you know where I can...
forum.xda-developers.com
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This would be for trying to install a Custom ROM no? Androd 11 Custom ROM?
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This would be for trying to install a Custom ROM no? Androd 11 Custom ROM?
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That was a stock one I think... be careful what you allow to update or flash.
If you have a fast, stable platform that is fulfilling its mission, leave it be.
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That was a stock one I think... be careful what you allow to update or flash.
If you have a fast, stable platform that is fulfilling its mission, leave it be.
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That sounds good but again these updates are forced down your throat. Did you mention a program that can block them?
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That sounds good but again these updates are forced down your throat. Did you mention a program that can block them?
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You need to block the carrier update apk. Conversely if it downloads clearing the system cache (or maybe a factory reset) should clear it if it hasn't flashed yet. Last ditch effort and not a good long term solution.
If you avoid/ turn off wifi to stop the update that won't work forever because the update apk can turn on wifi and any other apks it needs as well as certain towers (AT&T probably other carriers too) are "update" towers that will download the update fast.
I use a package disabler to keep my updater neutered. https://www.packagedisabler.com/
An ADB edit is also another way to get it done on a unrooted stock phone.
Carriers like AT&T can block updates on their end if you pester them enough
Get it done asap whichever solution you choose.
GrapheneOSThe private and secure mobile operating system with Android app compatibility. Developed as a non-profit open source project.
website : https://grapheneos.org/
WebUSB-based Installation : https://grapheneos.org/install/web
CMD Line Installation : https://grapheneos.org/install/cli
Releases : https://grapheneos.org/releases#raven-stable
This is listed as "Experimental"...
Not to sound like a broken record but with no play services do Google Photos and app updates work with that "sandboxed Play services compatibility layer" mentioned on they site?
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Not to sound like a broken record but with no play services do Google Photos and app updates work with that "sandboxed Play services compatibility layer" mentioned on they site?
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yes. works very well (as long as you install all 3 parts of sandboxed play services). I would maybe wait a few days before installing it on the Pixel 6. but using A12 on my 3xl and everything works, photos, gboard, official gcam (all running with network access disabled).
Also, GrapheneOS for Pixel 6 still says Experimental on their download page (it might just need to be updated). But if you're okay with maybe experiencing some bugs, it should work fine (but as stated above, most should wait a few days, they're very good on updating - especially the first few weeks after release)
Good to hear about... will be watching! cheers
I basically bought my P6P for this, so I'm extremely happy development is moving forward! Really hoping that, when a stable version is out, it will be possible to use the phone "normally" with it. Keep it up, Graphene team!
I'm with @Alex-Absolute I purchased my P6 just for GrapheneOS support, coming from a string of OnePlus devices. Though I am going to wait until it's listed as stable to switch, I'm excited they have a working build going!
I've got the release page in Windows' Aignes Website-Watcher, set to look for changes after "Pixel 6 Pro" and before "Version", so I should know when it changes to Stable.
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I've got the release page in Windows' Aignes Website-Watcher, set to look for changes after "Pixel 6 Pro" and before "Version", so I should know when it changes to Stable.
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Amazing, thanks for the tip!
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yes. works very well (as long as you install all 3 parts of sandboxed play services). I would maybe wait a few days before installing it on the Pixel 6. but using A12 on my 3xl and everything works, photos, gboard, official gcam (all running with network access disabled).
Also, GrapheneOS for Pixel 6 still says Experimental on their download page (it might just need to be updated). But if you're okay with maybe experiencing some bugs, it should work fine (but as stated above, most should wait a few days, they're very good on updating - especially the first few weeks after release)
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I used GrapheneOS on my 4a during most of the Experimental days, and i did not experience 1 hicup. I would compare their Experimental Builds to Android 12 Beta. So it's nothing to be afraid of. It's definitely ready for daily use in my own opinion....
Are there any screenshots of this OS? I always like trying new things but I'm thinking there isn't much to look at that would be different from a standard Android OS
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Amazing, thanks for the tip!
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You're welcome, I'm using the free version - it's been around for a very long time on Windows, and I'm using the Android app which appears to more or less sync with the Windows version through Dropbox, if you have or create an account with Dropbox. It doesn't work perfectly for me, but I at least get notifications on my phone about the same changes in websites that the Windows program lets me know about - so I at least know that I should get on the computer and look to see what's new.
Sorry to anyone for the OT - I have lots of Android-related sites set to give me notifications of changes through this program.
The non-free version is a little pricey for my needs.
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Are there any screenshots of this OS? I always like trying new things but I'm thinking there isn't much to look at that would be different from a standard Android OS
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I will post some screens later this evening...
I've wanted to switch to this for a long time (It's actually a huge reason I switched back to the Pixel series) but I'm not sure if I can commit to losing Android Auto
AndroidAddict420 said:
I used GrapheneOS on my 4a during most of the Experimental days, and i did not experience 1 hicup. I would compare their Experimental Builds to Android 12 Beta. So it's nothing to be afraid of. It's definitely ready for daily use in my own opinion....
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I agree. I've been using it off and on for 18 months on different pixels. but just good to be cautious, as always...
GrapheneOS just tweeted a few hours ago, the next release will be Stable for the 6 series (most likely this week)
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Also, GrapheneOS for Pixel 6 still says Experimental on their download page
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What I read about that is that its not experimental in the "unstable" sense, its that they haven't fully implemented the security enhancements.
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I've wanted to switch to this for a long time (It's actually a huge reason I switched back to the Pixel series) but I'm not sure if I can commit to losing Android Auto
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Given the sandboxed mode for play services, do you really have to lose auto?
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Given the sandboxed mode for play services, do you really have to lose auto?
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Good question. Last time I looked into it, AA was a no-go. Guess there's only one way to find out. I'll report back later if it works or not
UPDATE: Still a no-go. I just receive an error that the AA protocol isn't supported. Guess I'll go back to compromising my privacy for the sake of convenience while driving.
Other than that+call screeening, this build is solid for an "experimental" build (Tbh they could have put the stable flag on this, but I assume they are waiting for bug reports before doing so). If anyone is looking for a good de-Googling solution, this is it.
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Good question. Last time I looked into it, AA was a no-go. Guess there's only one way to find out. I'll report back later if it works or not
UPDATE: Still a no-go. I just receive an error that the AA protocol isn't supported. Guess I'll go back to compromising my privacy for the sake of convenience while driving.
Other than that+call screeening, this build is solid for an "experimental" build (Tbh they could have put the stable flag on this, but I assume they are waiting for bug reports before doing so). If anyone is looking for a good de-Googling solution, this is it.
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Despite the hassle and increased expense, perhaps one of those Carplay AI boxes like Apple Pi might be the necessary workaround?
I'm very interested in this OS, but I too rely on carplay/auto as a general rule while driving. If I have to outsource my maps and music to an external box in order to have more comprehensive device security, that might just be the way it has to be.
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UPDATE: Still a no-go. I just receive an error that the AA protocol isn't supported. Guess I'll go back to compromising my privacy for the sake of convenience while driving.
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Thank you for reporting. As curious as I am about this OS, this rules this out for me too. Been using AA for almost four years now and I'm hooked.
I want privacy, but I cannot live without syncing all my stuff together. Is this OS for me?