Greetings, I know this post may sound absurd for some people, however, I play sometimes with my Pixel 6 Pro, and I experience some heat, I'm talking about 43-46° battery temp, what I do to avoid this is putting my case in the freezer for like 10-15m, and then put it back on for 5-10 minutes, then back to the freezer and so, with this I avoid heating and any thermal throttling at all, that's only less than a minute break every 15 or so mins.
Some results are:
41.9 degrees before doing it (without any case)
34.6 degrees after 2 minutes with the freezing cold case on, gaming, did not stop using the device
Buying a fan for the device is an option, but this is free, for some time this has been my way to cool down this and other devices.
Justarandomguy said:
Greetings, I know this post may sound absurd for some people, however, I play sometimes with my Pixel 6 Pro, and I experience some heat, I'm talking about 43-46° battery temp, what I do to avoid this is putting my case in the freezer for like 10-15m, and then put it back on for 5-10 minutes, then back to the freezer and so, with this I avoid heating and any thermal throttling at all, that's only less than a minute break every 15 or so mins.
Some results are:
41.9 degrees before doing it (without any case)
34.6 degrees after 2 minutes with the freezing cold case on, gaming, did not stop using the device
Buying a fan for the device is an option, but this is free, for some time this has been my way to cool down this and other devices.
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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Li batteries should never be charged below 40F.
Temperature extremes aren't good for the mobo and solder especially no lead solders get brittle when cold. The freezer treatment sounds like a bad plan...
Otherwise...
If the air is dry cradling it a damp microfiber cloth does the trick... desert survival.
A reusable gel ice pack?
I hold mine in front of the AC in the car if I have been using and it's hot.
Otherwise I just put it down a few minutes and walk away
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might as well just put the phone in the fridge lmao
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it may be bad for some fridges to do so, at least on some cheap ones, this way also allows you to continue playing and there is no need to stop
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Li batteries should never be charged below 40F.
Temperature extremes aren't good for the mobo and solder especially no lead solders get brittle when cold. The freezer treatment sounds like a bad plan...
Otherwise...
If the air is dry cradling it a damp microfiber cloth does the trick... desert survival.
A reusable gel ice pack?
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Do you think the case in the freezer thing is a bad one? I've been doing that for years and worked well, had devices for like 2-3 years and they worked fine, however I don't want to expose my device to bad things, if there is any risk I'll stop doing that.
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it may be bad for some fridges to do so, at least on some cheap ones, this way also allows you to continue playing and there is no need to stop
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true, i was thinking that would be useful for benchmarks where u dont have to touch the phone after starting it
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true, i was thinking that would be useful for benchmarks where u dont have to touch the phone after starting it
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Yeah, that should work well, but if you have the phone at good temp and you do the case thing you will end the benchmark with a lower temp than before starting it, but yeah, it works
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Do you think the case in the freezer thing is a bad one? I've been doing that for years and worked well, had devices for like 2-3 years and they worked fine, however I don't want to expose my device to bad things, if there is any risk I'll stop doing that.
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Those low temperature extremes probably aren't needed to effectively cool the device. Phone manufacturers are exempt from the leaded solder ban but may comply if they wish to. More temperature extremes mean more component expansion and contraction, in time it could cause a solder joint failure. Not an issue unless it fails...
Another potential problem could be the case it's self. My case's inner liner is stiff at room temperature and more so if cooled. As a result I'm careful taking on and off even warming it up to do so, and don't do it excessively. As best I can tell it doesn't flex the phone doing this as that could end badly.
Moisture condensation is another potential issue. Always assume a IP68 rated phone will leak, keep them dry. Including using a damp microfiber cloth... make sure it's damp not wet.
Forced air cooling is the safest. I try not to expose my phone to excessive temperatures as that's something somewhat within my control. I protect it in the winter and try to keep it at least 60F whenever possible.
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Those low temperature extremes probably aren't needed to effectively cool the device. Phone manufacturers are exempt from the leaded solder ban but may comply if they wish to. More temperature extremes mean more component expansion and contraction, in time it could cause a solder joint failure. Not an issue unless it fails...
Another potential problem could be the case it's self. My case's inner liner is stiff at room temperature and more so if cooled. As a result I'm careful taking on and off even warming it up to do so, and don't do it excessively. As best I can tell it doesn't flex the phone doing this as that could end badly.
Moisture condensation is another potential issue. Always assume a IP68 rated phone will leak, keep them dry. Including using a damp microfiber cloth... make sure it's damp not wet.
Forced air cooling is the safest. I try not to expose my phone to excessive temperatures as that's something somewhat within my control. I protect it in the winter and try to keep it at least 60F whenever possible.
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Oh yeah, that's the safe and how should it be done way, at least here for me it doesn't get wet or so, it comes out cold to the touch, but yep humidity and so can really mess things up, you really know a lot and explained it well, it's nice to see comments like this, thanks for your time and explanation
Me that was thinking it was cool...
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Oh yeah, that's the safe and how should it be done way, at least here for me it doesn't get wet or so, it comes out cold to the touch, but yep humidity and so can really mess things up, you really know a lot and explained it well, it's nice to see comments like this, thanks for your time and explanation
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You're welcome.
A gel cold pack with a cotton shop cloth in between might be easier and work better.
A continuous cold supply with 2 or more rotating.
Everything in life is temporary and we like everything around us are just passing through. Use what works best for you in that allotted time frame. It's fked up... use whatever comes in handy.
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A gel cold pack with a cotton shop cloth in between might be easier and work better.
A continuous cold supply with 2 or more rotating.
Everything in life is temporary and we like everything around us are just passing through. Use what works best for you in that allotted time frame. It's fked up... use whatever comes in handy.
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I can try that, I have something like that here to try, the next time I experience strong heat I will do it, thanks!
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I would greatly appreciate any insight as to how screwed, or not screwed i am. I poured 50% rubbing alcohol into my phone where the usb plug is on the bottom because the connection has been bad or loose. I was not thinking about the "touchy" nature of LCD screens, i just knew that rubbing alcohol was good for almost everything else. I dried the phone off, of course had the battery out the whole time... and let it sit for 13 hours. I turned it on, and after that, the screen is a lot darker (in certain spots, actually most spots) and you can see all these blotches inlaid into the screen. IS THIS PERMANENT? Can i use a blow drier with success? put the phone into rice? stick the phone right underneath a dehumidifier?? ive also read crazy things like spraying WD40 in there will displace the liquid, sounds dumb to me though. Please offer me some insight, is this happening because there is liquid in there still? or because the chemical nature of the alcohol permanently ruined or stained the LCD components? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
No responses? I've gone with inserting the phone into a vent of a dehumidifier, on high, with a space heater a foot away to help with evaporation further. if this doesnt fix it, nothing will. Can anyone who has better knowledge of LCD's then me (obviously) tell me whether or not there is any hope?, waiting to see what happens is driving me crazy.
Nice troll attempt, but looks as if it isn't going to work.
No human being who's able to type is actually that stupid.
as if i dont feel like an idiot. so moisture voids a warranty, insurance with ATT doesnt care right?
I had the same problem with a blackberry.
I used a contact cleaner to clean the usb port and some of it entered into the layers between the lcd glass plates. I make circles and cloudy lines across the screen. What I did was place the phone on the dash of my car on a hot sunny day. After the day in the sun the contact cleaner had started to evaporate from under the screen. Rubbing alcholol has a very high evaporation rate as compared to the liquid used to suspend the liquid crystals. I would try a hot light buld placed 6 to 10 inches above the phone to heat it slowly and evenly. The rubbing alcohol should eventually evaporate/dispurse to the edges of the lcd glass plates and remove itself. The hairdryer may also work on medium heat. If it is no longer hot where you live the dashboard techniques may not work for you. I may take a day but it worked for me.
Good Luck.
Thanks very much for a glimmer of hope. I appreciate that. Its no longer warm here in the northeast so im resorting to methods similiar to what you said, and actually had a light bulb on the phone that i use to keep my reptiles warm, earlier today. I really appreciate your response. The thing that worries me is that it was 50% isopropyl alcohol, so the other 50% percent is water, obviously i feel like an idiot and was slightly buzzed, not thinking. Im hoping the water aspect of the solution doesnt screw me, id rather have dumped 100 percent alcohol on it. what did this cleaning solution you used consist of? Once again, thanks for your response because the stupid feeling of "im an idiot" has been eating at me all day, now i feel some hope. and possibly less stupid. once again, i do know im a freakin dummy for not thinking about this first, etc. thanks for the responses.
If you have insurance in addition to your warranty, as you stated, AT&T should cover the water damage just the same. You could just called them and ask them to confirm or deny that they would cover it, though. Otherwise, if you're using the light bulb, Make sure to keep an eye on it so you don't damage the digitizer. Plastic does melt.
I SINCERELY appreciate all the input guys, as opposed to giving me the run around. GREATLY APPRECIATED, THANK YOU! Will post the results of this in due time.
Well, after 24 hours of first putting the phone under a heat lamp, then literally shoving the phone into a dehumidifier, with a space heater nearby to aggravate evaporation, turned the phone on after all that and the screen seems improved but still far from acceptable. So i came across the old "put the phone in rice trick" im goin balls to the wall, phone is submerged in rice, multiple silica packets, and to top it off i put a heat lamp 10 inches above this rice/silica concoction, after an hour of doing this i already saw a considerable amount of water condensing onto the inside of the rice bag. Will post the results, ive heard 6 hours works for people, 24 hours, 3 days, and a couple weeks in extreme cases, most seemed to resolve. I think ill wait 24 hours, most people dont use rice AND silica AND a heat source. And ill take another dig at myself: I know most people (the majority of people) dont pour liquid onto their phone intentionally.
Just keeping the community informed. And again, thanks for the helpful responses.
ITS NOT AN OLD WIVES TALE OR AN URBAN LEGEND!!!!!
After 24 hours of my phone being in a bag of white rice, with silica packets, and a warming bulb 8 inches above, the screen looks freakin amazing! there are only a small amount of pixels at the bottom of the screen that look wet, i 99 percent have my screen back! NO NEED FOR A NEW PHONE NOW!!! Just letting it shake and bake for a little more to get that tiny remainder out. When i first heard about rice working (after having tried a dehumidifier) i thought theres no way in hell that is going to work. I was a skeptic, used this as a last resort (should have been my first resort and will be in the future), and am definitely no longer a skeptic about this method. IT WORKS!
I AM AMAZED.
You should have posted before, during, and after pics of this little experiment. It would have been interesting. Perhaps you could spill some water on it and try again with pictures.
Hope for solution
The solvent that i used was a cleaner with a lubricant in it. All fluids had evaporation rates that vary on their molecular size and shape. The alcohol with evaporate first because it has a higher evaporation rate than water. Mine took a while-approx a week- of slow applied heat. If you can't get it repaired under warranty and are willing to risk it you can try this. I had a plantronics earpiece that fell into a cup of coffee. I filled a glass with rubbing alcohol %70 and dropped in the earpiece. This dillutes the water and rubbing alcolol (iso-propyl) alcohol will bond to the remaining water and increase the evaporation. You can also used denatured alcohol (methanol) avalable at Lowes. It contains no water and evaporates even faster than isopropyl. Test spot first. Make sure it doesn't damage the case. Danger is my earpiece did not have a screen. I still use the earpiece today. Make sure you take the battery out during this process and leave out untill dry. Ware flowing air will be the best thing to blow over your phone to help it dry.
Good Luck.
I have nothing to gain by saying this worked : ) only you do.
Thank you for the info, I will consider it in the future. I dont mean at all to be rude, I appreciate your time and efforts, but to me right now, my phone is as good as 100% golden!
CAJUNFLAVOREDBOB, i wish i had taken pictures of this to prove the results, but to be perfectly honest as i said, i did not expect this rice method to work whatsoever. I was completely skeptical, so to me pictures were pretty much pointless. I've had retarded anxiety for two days now thinking about buying a new phone and reloading an appreciable amount of data. So considering how much anxiety I suffered, while I am confident that if I did get my phone wet again, and take pictures of the whole rice process, it would prove it works.. I am not willing to deal with the anxiety of waiting more then six hours for my phone, I'm not a gambler, and Unemployment is a ***** lol. I was skeptical, but I have my phone back as I knew it, thats all I can say : )
This will only help you, blast me all you want
I think everyone should read this thread and save themselves from a lot of anxiety after getting their phone wet by putting it in the washer, toilet, whatever. People are gonna get annoyed because I brought this thread back to attention but guess what. I DONT HAVE STOCK IN ANY RICE COMPANIES OR SILICA MANUFACTURERS. I have nothing to gain by bringing attention to the fact that this really works, and incredibly. Hope I help someone out there. And if you have crap to spew about me posting this. I DIDNT SQUEEZE YOUR HEAD, keep it in.
I'd like to help someone. Read this thread and keep this solution in mind for the future. Thats all. Here comes the groaning because I brought this thread to the top of the list, whatever, its with nothing but good intent.
Happy New Year. Read this thread for your own benefit if you run into some kind of moisture scenario this year.
if people get mad at me for posting in this thread again, karma will come and splash water all over your phone. I dont have stock in any rice companies, nor do i know any asian people (and thats not by discriminatory choice at all) this thread is meant to help YOU. Not me.
If everyone would bump their thread to the top all the time, we'd have lots of threads with completely useless additions in the last x number of posts (so far, 4 in this thread).
ok.. good point... anyone reading this thread: There is no reason to read past post #13. everything after that isnt really important, but read everything up to post 13.
Bumping the thread once a month or so is fine, but once a week is excessive if you aren't adding any new information. Plus it gets mod's attention as spamming the board. This thread does have good information, but it would be best if you wouldn't bump it more than once a month.
as the title says, i was applying the ZAGG invisibleshield wet screen protector to my gnex, had to apply the liquid a couple of times since i didn't position it right in the first try, the phone worked ok for like 1h, after that started freezing, when i take the battery out and reboot, it gets to the enter pin screen then freezes there, sometimes i manage to get to the homescreens, but that's the far i can get , coz it freezes again, i just put it in a bag of dry rice and will leave it for a day or 2, not sure how much liquid got in and if it can be fixed anyways. does anybody have a better suggestion? or any tip i might try? i'm pretty sure the liquid got into the speaker when i was using the squeegee. damn.
Take the battery out. Put the phone in a cup of rubbing alcohol for ~5 min. Take it out. Take it apart and blow dry it.
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let us know if the alcohol works. i've always been curious about this. would the alcohol get under the screen and maybe leave some particles or residue behind? esp if theres some glue or something inside the phone that would get dissolved.
neotekz said:
let us know if the alcohol works. i've always been curious about this. would the alcohol get under the screen and maybe leave some particles or residue behind? esp if theres some glue or something inside the phone that would get dissolved.
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Well rubbing alcohol will evaporate REALLY fast. Just make sure everything gets dried before you turn it on.
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I would not dunk my phone in alcohol. Just blow dry it for a while then leave it in rice for a week.
Putting your phone in rubbing alcohol (or any alcohol really) is a bad idea. You know how it is sold in 70% or 90% purity levels? You know what that other 10-30% is? Water. I would put it in rice for a day and hope for the best, take the battery out and put it in the bag as well, along with the back cover.
Had you followed the instructions for the ZAGG invisible shield, you would have taken the battery out and left it out for the installation and another 12-24 hours after installation to avoid an issue such as this. Live and learn though. I've installed them 4 different times and have done the same each time, leaving the battery out for at least 12 hours, though usually closer to 18-20 hours and the first time, a full day.
i dont know why people use those type of screen protection. it gives orange peel feel.
any way, you can always call custom support and told them your phone keep freezing and reboot. they will send u a refurbish one. if your phone is rooted or running other rom, dont do it.
lol dunking your phone in alcohol, have you even done that yourself?
zeke1988 said:
any way, you can always call custom support and told them your phone keep freezing and reboot. they will send u a refurbish one. if your phone is rooted or running other rom, dont do it.
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Yes, commit fraud AFTER posting about it online. If you ever wonder why devices and insurance costs are going up (and then you complain about them), this is the reason right here.
Go to hobby lobby and buy some silica or what ever its called. The stuff that comes in new shoes to collect moisture. Put in a zip lock bag with that stuff for a couple days. It'll works better than rice.
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ddgarcia05 said:
Go to hobby lobby and buy some silica or what ever its called. The stuff that comes in new shoes to collect moisture. Put in a zip lock bag with that stuff for a couple days. It'll works better than rice.
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This and rice will leave tiny particles under the screen unless u rinse it first...... which will negate the whole process anyways. Isopropyl rubbing alcohol will work. Look for the 100% stuff
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Yes, commit fraud AFTER posting about it online. If you ever wonder why devices and insurance costs are going up (and then you complain about them), this is the reason right here.
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Phones are getting more expensive because someone returns it after it stops working, after applying a screen protector? Are you sure it's not from the advancements in technology and the increasing demands for rare minerals.
Please tell us more
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Had you followed the instructions for the ZAGG invisible shield, you would have taken the battery out and left it out for the installation and another 12-24 hours after installation to avoid an issue such as this. Live and learn though. I've installed them 4 different times and have done the same each time, leaving the battery out for at least 12 hours, though usually closer to 18-20 hours and the first time, a full day.
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i turned the phone off and took out the battery for the installation, but i powered it on like 30min after that, i didn't a warning anywhere where it said to leave it for additional time off, plus all these people on youtube apply it without even turning the phone off.
i didn't do the alcohol trick though, as my phone didn't fall into a swimming pool, i'm kinda hoping the amount of liquid the entered was not that big, plus it's not water, it's that special solution that comes with the screen protector, it usually has a bigger density and also evaporates quicker than water, so i'm hoping the corrosion won't be big. anyways, it's stilll inside a closed bag of rice, it's been in there for ~21hrs , will keep it maybe for an additional day just in case. the problem is i powered the phone on when it started freezing a couple of times, instead of putting it right away to dry.
Phones are not getting more expensive due to "insurance fraud". Load of crap.
The simplest reason is because we pay.
Good luck with your phone.
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Rubbing alcohol? I presume you're trying to make sure the guy's phone dies completely so he can get a new one.
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i turned the phone off and took out the battery for the installation, but i powered it on like 30min after that, i didn't a warning anywhere where it said to leave it for additional time off, plus all these people on youtube apply it without even turning the phone off.
i didn't do the alcohol trick though, as my phone didn't fall into a swimming pool, i'm kinda hoping the amount of liquid the entered was not that big, plus it's not water, it's that special solution that comes with the screen protector, it usually has a bigger density and also evaporates quicker than water, so i'm hoping the corrosion won't be big. anyways, it's stilll inside a closed bag of rice, it's been in there for ~21hrs , will keep it maybe for an additional day just in case. the problem is i powered the phone on when it started freezing a couple of times, instead of putting it right away to dry.
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The "special" liquid is just water and soap...
zeke1988 said:
i dont know why people use those type of screen protection. it gives orange peel feel.
any way, you can always call custom support and told them your phone keep freezing and reboot. they will send u a refurbish one. if your phone is rooted or running other rom, dont do it.
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XO screen protector here with no orange peel, and feels much smoother than a dry apply. You were saying?
The rubbing alcohol has drying properties. It evaporates very quickly and takes the water residue with it
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This and rice will leave tiny particles under the screen unless u rinse it first...... which will negate the whole process anyways. Isopropyl rubbing alcohol will work. Look for the 100% stuff
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Consumers can't buy 100% pure alcohol, even if you could, I still wouldn't use it as alcohol isn't that chemically different from water, so it would still be bad for the internals of the device.
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Phones are getting more expensive because someone returns it after it stops working, after applying a screen protector? Are you sure it's not from the advancements in technology and the increasing demands for rare minerals.
Please tell us more
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Phones are not getting more expensive due to "insurance fraud". Load of crap.
The simplest reason is because we pay.
Good luck with your phone.
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People returning phones that they knew they had broken and voided the warranty is why companies make it that much harder to get warranty replacements now. You think that Sprint, VZW, and Asurion raised the cost of insurance plus the deductible just to make extra money? How naive are people? I also like the fact that three different people suggested returning the phone after it almost certainly had water damage. If the water set off one of the indicators in the phone, then the OP would be screwed and get charged full retail for the replacement.
i agree with the rubbing alcohol theory, it helps against possible future corrosion issues, but as my phone didn't fall into a swimming pool or washing machine i didn't want to go extreme on it, so i picked the rice method, looked all over for silica gel bags, i know i have them somewhere ,but couldn't find them, so i only ended up with the rice method. i took the phone out now, after being 25 hrs in the rice package, it powered up well, got passed the pin screen (where it used to freeze) with no problems, and so far so good, tried the speaker it worked, also tried calling myself from another phone and in-call speaker is also working. will keep an eye on it, hopefully i won't have any wifi or signal issues (like other people reported), my only fear is corrosion on the long run, but getting it to work now with no issues would satisfy me at the moment.
edit: the water indicator still looks like this , so hopefully not a lot of liquid entered..
Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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put it in a bag with uncooked rice. forget you own a phone for at least 24 hours.
Ok the rice wont damage it any more will it.
It wasnt in it for long. And it was a very small puddle....[emoji35] [emoji35] [emoji35]
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Uncooked rice, the more the better, will absorb the moisture. Leave it in long enough, and you should be good to go
Did the phone rest any longer in the water? If yes you should use rice and cotton pad if it wasnt all that long you don't need tovworry about it cause it's splash proof
Do not try to turn it on until the rice absorb the moisture.
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Hello, proper panicking put my phone down in some water. What should i do?
Help please...!
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I wouldn't be that worried buddy, watch this vid. The rice for a day is like a guarantee just to be safe. Chances are its fine though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh6ypmNwSg
I just put it in the airing cup oars seems good. Thanks.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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Damn. If mine broke I'd claim on house insurance. But mine seems OK.
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I accidently dropped my phone in water yesterday although I took it out almost immediately it's just totally died on me and won't start up at all, totally gutted how an expenisive phone like this can't even withstand a little bit of water.
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That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.
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That's weird, someone on YouTube dunked their 10 in a bowl of water for like a some amount of minutes and it worked fine afterwards. Not sure if sound was working though.
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Mine's just gone dead, nothing at all, it heats up if I put it on charge.
I'll call HTC tomorrow to see if I can do a deal of some sort with them.
The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
#killthericemyth
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The rice won't do anything since the water you want it to absorb is inside the phone, where the rice won't reach anyway. The best thing you can do is open the phone up and dry it up with a blow dryer or heat gun. If this is something you can't do or are uncomfortable with doing, putting it in the oven at around 120°f (50°c) is the next best thing.
#killthericemyth
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This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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This Popular Mechanics article contradicts all of your claims:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a3419/dry-out-your-cell-phone/
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With the battery safely set aside, you now have one goal--dry your phone, and dry it fast. If you let the moisture evaporate naturally, the chance of corrosion damaging the phone's innards increases. Instead, blow or suck the water out. But don't use a hair dryer--its heat can fry your phone's insides. Instead, opt for a can of compressed air, an air compressor set to a low psi or a vacuum cleaner (a wet/dry Shop-Vac would be perfect). The idea is to use air to push or pull moisture out through the same channels it entered.
The key here is, as in so many other cases, common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil your phone.
Finally, use a desiccant to wick away any leftover moisture.*The most convenient choice is uncooked rice.*Just leave the phone (and its disconnected battery) submerged in a bowl of grains overnight. If you're worried about rice dust getting inside your phone, you can instead use the packets of silica gel that often come stuffed in the pockets of new clothes. But acting fast is far more important than avoiding a little dust, so don't waste time shopping if you don't already have a drawer full of silica gel.
The most important thing to remember is to avoid heat. That means no hair dryers, ovens, microwaves or extended periods in direct sunlight. While heat will certainly evaporate the moisture, it could also warp components and melt adhesives.
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Believe what you want; I'm IPC certified and have been doing PCB-repairs for over four years. I'm simply sharing the knowledge you need to best deal with an issue like this.
The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
The key here is common sense. Don't go crazy with a 1200°f heat gun and don't broil or microwave your phone.
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The only thing that can actually get fried from the heat that a hair dryer produces is the battery. If you for some reason hold the hair dryer ON the battery for an extended period of time. Not that I know why you'd want to do that. Any surface mounted component on the board should be perfectly fine with direct heat up to almost 500°f.
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I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370°F [edit]361°F (pardon)[/edit].
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.
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I believe that uncooked rice is a desiccant, and can wick-up proximate moisture.
You can stick your phone (battery removed, of course) in the oven at 500�°F.
I decline in spite of your "qualifications" on the grounds that 63/37 has a melting point of 370�°F.
If you told me you never messed up a single component by holding the iron on it too long, I wouldn't believe you.
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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.
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Proximate moisture as in moisture it is in fact in contact with. The water the rice is able to absorb isn't water that does any harm to the phone anyway, hence the uselessness. Or are you saying that the rice somehow magically sucks the moisture out through the speaker and microphone grills?
63/37 does indeed melt at 370°f, but applying 500°f using a heat gun for a minute or two from a couple of inches distance will not make the solder reach that kind of temperature. I never recommended anyone to put their phone in an oven at 500°f.
If I said that I never messed up a single component by applying too much heat I'd be lying. I've done it too many times to count.
Anyway people, feel free to put your phone in a bag filled with edible seed of your choice , but don't be surprised if starts acting up a couple of days later.
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In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.
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In hindsight of my original reply to the OP, it would have been wise to include instructions on drying the phone by means of draining through the introduction path and using compressed air. The OP would have benefited from the information.
It is unnecessary for a desiccant to have direct contact with water. If desiccants didn't absorb moisture, they wouldn't be in the packaging of everything from shoes to medicine to electronics.
It is important that most water be eliminated by other means first, but the dry rice will absorb, with time, remaining moisture, just like dry air climates reduce drenching sweat from your body on a hot day.
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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.
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Okay so let's say that the rice somehow WILL absorb the moisture. Even in this case it will work way too slow, things start to corrode within hours (or minutes, dependent on what kind of liquid the phone has been dropped in). You don't want a fix that takes days or weeks, you want the moisture out as soon as possible.
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I admit, I would like to get to the bottom of this.
After some more research, I agree, it may take more time than ideal.
Cat litter has even more drying power than rice. Its cheap and readily available.
Infact, the article I get that info from http://smartphones.wonderhowto.com/...st-way-save-your-water-damaged-phone-0154799/ places uncooked rice low on their list of drying power:
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Pre-weighed sponges soaked with water (and then weighed again) were used in this experiment.
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Each sponge was placed on top of wax paper, to prevent direct contact with the drying agents, since in a smartphone, there is normally no direct contact with the drying agent.
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After 24 hours, the sponges were weighed again to see how much weight had been lost. And would you believe it—according to the results, uncooked white rice placed dead last in effectiveness as a drying agent. Here's the list, from best to worst.
Open-air sponge - 7.6 mL lost
Silica gel - 6.1 mL lost
Cat litter - 5.5 mL lost
Instant couscous - 5.0 mL lost
Instant rice - 5.0 mL lost
Instant oatmeal - 5.0 mL lost
Uncooked white rice - 4.0 mL lost
Sealed-container sponge - 0.7 mL lost
Cat litter, instant couscous, instant rice, and instant oatmeal all performed better than uncooked white rice—everyone's favorite damn drying agent.
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I rescind my argument for rice. I give you credit for calling it pretty much useless. There are better desiccant alternatives.
Personally, I'd rather use cat litter than blow-dryer--not because I argue that it works better, but that I have cat litter, and no blow-dryer.
We agree that 500°F in the oven is ill-advised, and I am glad for that.
So got my phone 2 days ago and finally decided to take my phone for a swim in my salt water pool. Everything was fine until I dipped my phone underwater for 2 seconds. Phone then started to malfunction like crazy! Power button stopped working, camera would randomly open every few seconds, google on tap would Activate every few seconds. I turned my phone on and off and let it dry for one hour and the phone was still acting crazy. Even while the phone was on the lock screen or on the always on display screen it would go crazy and turn the camera on! I was getting ready to return my phone the next day as defective. I then took the phone and dipped it in regular sink water for a few seconds and now it works fine! Does anyone know if this phone is only resistent to fresh water and not salt water?? Lesson learned, never put this phone near water again. Hope I dont experience permanent damage after only having the phone for a few days!
I am not surprised at the reaction that your phone went through. The only thing seperating your Note's innards and water are some rubber. Even though it's rated at IP68, it speaks nothing of it's ability to withstand what mother nature is capable of. But I recommend that you stop dipping your phone in water for no reason. Unless of course you have a YouTube channel to which I will say I am looking forward to hot nickel ball vs Note 7. I am a sucker for those.
I actually had gone to the lake yesterday and tested this out, of course after watching a youtube of someone else using the phone under water, and can't say that I've experienced any issues. Then again the lake is freshwater, but I'm interested in knowing more about the affects of saltwater on this phone... Probably because the charger port is still exposed?
The ports are sealed which means there shouldn't be water getting into the phone itself to mess with the internals. I don't think salt makes a difference except it might confuse the screen input.
The phone shouldn't be acting in this way if the seals are doing their job. If indeed there is water ingress, go to Samsung for an exchange.
Along those same lines of salt vs fresh water, what about hot vs cold/room temperature? Regular tap water from the sink, the pool, getting sprayed with the hose...all fine. But what about a jacuzzi, a natural hot spring or a hot steamy shower? I took mine in the shower yesterday, but at a lower temp than usual to test it out, it was warm water, and the phone did fine. Nervous to try a full blown hot shower or jacuzzi. Anyone have experience with it in hot water yet?
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Along those same lines of salt vs fresh water, what about hot vs cold/room temperature? Regular tap water from the sink, the pool, getting sprayed with the hose...all fine. But what about a jacuzzi, a natural hot spring or a hot steamy shower? I took mine in the shower yesterday, but at a lower temp than usual to test it out, it was warm water, and the phone did fine. Nervous to try a full blown hot shower or jacuzzi. Anyone have experience with it in hot water yet?
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Interesting because my pool was also Heated and was probably 85 degrees. I wonder if the heat along with the salt water affected the phone. It's weird but once I dipped it in fresh water for a few second everything went back to normal. However, I really think it was the salt for some reason. Must have been something Electrical that made the phone go crazy!
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I am not surprised at the reaction that your phone went through. The only thing seperating your Note's innards and water are some rubber. Even though it's rated at IP68, it speaks nothing of it's ability to withstand what mother nature is capable of. But I recommend that you stop dipping your phone in water for no reason. Unless of course you have a YouTube channel to which I will say I am looking forward to hot nickel ball vs Note 7. I am a sucker for those.
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I literally dipped in for no more than 5 seconds! I didnt even use it underwater. If the phone cannot withstand 5 seconds being submerged in water than it should not be IP68!
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Interesting because my pool was also Heated and was probably 85 degrees. I wonder if the heat along with the salt water affected the phone. It's weird but once I dipped it in fresh water for a few second everything went back to normal. However, I really think it was the salt for some reason. Must have been something Electrical that made the phone go crazy!
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Judging by my warm shower (not sure the temp, but not nearly as hot as usual for myself) I wouldn't think your heated pool would be much different as far as temp goes. I would guess the salt probably had more to do with the erratic behavior and random inputs than the temperature of the heated pool.
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Judging by my warm shower (not sure the temp, but not nearly as hot as usual for myself) I wouldn't think your heated pool would be much different as far as temp goes. I would guess the salt probably had more to do with the erratic behavior and random inputs than the temperature of the heated pool.
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My friend who has the Samsung Galaxy Edge 7 used his phone to take pictures underwater with his phone and didn't have any problems. That's another reason why I'm concerned.
Actually it is the salt waters fault...
Salt water is more conductive than freshwater due to the sodium and chlorine ions within it. This has probably meant the screen has freaked out as it works on conductivity etc.
Even after drying out there was probably a residual coating of salt on the screen and when you washed it in freshwater it was removed and it started being OK again.
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Really interested about people testing the Note 7's water resistance.
This was one of the big selling points for the Note 7 for me, but from what I've seen with Galaxy S7 tests and Note 7 tests, it still seems like a risk using your phone in water. I think I'll wait until at least next year before testing out the water resistance. I'd like to get some use out of my new $950 phone before I intentionally submerge and it blows up or something.
Do NOT put the phone in saltwater. That IP68 certification is for freshwater. The saltwater was definitely the problem. I've heard Samsung will not cover the replacement if they find out it has been in saltwater.
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My friend who has the Samsung Galaxy Edge 7 used his phone to take pictures underwater with his phone and didn't have any problems. That's another reason why I'm concerned.
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Unless your friend has a salt water pool, or was in yours, I wouldn't be concerned about it. I would assume the ocean would have the same type of effect on the phone unfortunately. In regular water circumstances it should be fine, as I've experienced so far. I'm just curious about how the hotter end of the spectrum effects the phone.
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Well seems we have our answers about salt water
salt water conducts electricity better than sweet water.
in fact, you should be fine dipping an open non-WR device in perfectly clean water as it doesn't conduct electricity at all(not easy to find)
water resistance with this phone refers to it's capability of keeping the water away from the internals, which it does well enough(i read somewhere the rating means at least 30 minutes at 1 meter depth)
your phone wasn't affected by water on the inside, but traces of highly conductive salt water on the screen's surface which mimicked tapping from your fingers.
you should definitely avoid "extreme" temperatures (freezing or hot water) as these will cause both the casing and the sealing material to change shape a bit which can create gaps.
and also avoid soap, as it weakens the water's surface tension allowing it to leak through smaller gaps.
I think Samsung should at the very least tell people not to use the phone in Salt Water in it's Ads!!! Alot of the answers in this thread make sense and it seems that it's not a good idea to use these Samsungs in salt water....
I went to the beach yesterday...i didnt even go in the water with the phone (too cold) when i was driving home I had a warning about my charge port having water.
Interesting.
Good info about no salt water... glad I didnt trat it the waves.....phew!
It's in the manual: no salt water, no washing with soap etc...
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See this guy putting his note 7 into coca cola flor 11hours
Phone do it great
Youtu.be/8eL7d55g994
Your best bet is to treat this water resistance as a precaution. Yes, Samsung even uses shows the s7 series (includes the note) as being able to handle taking pictures underwater. I am sure this is the case, but the warranty for this phone VERY SPECIFICALLY says that if the water resistance fails, they are not responsible. There is even liquid damage indicators in the sim slot. So, again, this will be at your own risk.
Also, salt is more conductive, etc, as everyone has already said. What is more important, and an effect that can't be washed off with freshwater, is the corrosive nature of salt on electronics, and rubber. The salt, overtime, will eat away at a water sealing gasket. If any salt gets into the sealed portion of the phone....game over.
I owned a S7 for 2 weeks, before returning it and getting an s7 edge (I now have the note 7). I was talking on the phone when I got drenched by a drunk buddy with a hose. Guess what? The LDI did not trip, and there was no signs of water damage. The phone worked fine...but the mic never worked again, for the remaining week I owned the phone. I even told the store I returned it to, and they were nice enough to take the phone back anyway. But if the mic malfunction was the result of the water exposure, and I assume it is, Samsung would not have been obligated to fix it for free.
I take advantage of the water resistance, but I don't flirt with it either.
Now I'm nervous that I somehow did some permanent damage to my phone. Seems to be working fine right now with no issues whatsoever. Speaker seems to be working fine. Anyone know other possible permanent damage to the phone I should be on the lookout for to determine if I should return it during the warranty period?
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any damage to your phone by doing this demonstration.
I am half-crazy/half-scared today and thought what kind of protection does my phone have? What if it rains and I want take a picture or video of a wonderful scene or event?What if I accidentally drop my phone on a puddle or in a sink filled with water? So without further ado, please watch this very short video that demonstrates the level of protection in the Le Pro 3.
https://youtu.be/RgMyI_vmu4c
https://youtu.be/wCI5R1esqPw
IMHO, the phone may survive rainfall or quick dip in the water. The phone case may have helped as well. It feels good that our phone has this kind of protection when you need it. Again, I am not encouraging you to perform this test but just providing you some confidence that Le Pro 3 may survive accidental drop in or splash of the water.
P.S. The phone still works and I am still using it right after the test. No issue so far. =D
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Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any damage to your phone by doing this demonstration.
I am half-crazy/half-scared today and thought what kind of protection does my phone have? What if it rains and I want take a picture or video of a wonderful scene or event?What if I accidentally drop my phone on a puddle or in a sink filled with water? So without further ado, please watch this very short video that demonstrates the level of protection in the Le Pro 3.
https://youtu.be/RgMyI_vmu4c
IMHO, the phone may survive rainfall or quick dip in the water. The phone case may have helped as well. It feels good that our phone has this kind of protection when you need it. Again, I am not encouraging you to perform this test but just providing you some confidence that Le Pro 3 may survive accidental drop in or splash of the water.
P.S. The phone still works and I am still using it right after the test. No issue so far. =D
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damn, that's to much of a risk.
I think for a sealed phone like this the most risk is the speakers.... I hope your speakers are functioning properly. I recommend doing a rice treatment just to be safe. Even if it looks okay for now, the moisture can sip in over time.
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damn, that's to much of a risk.
I think for a sealed phone like this the most risk is the speakers.... I hope your speakers are functioning properly. I recommend doing a rice treatment just to be safe. Even if it looks okay for now, the moisture can sip in over time.
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Or do an intensive benchmark so that heat will dissipate the moisture? I might do the rice trick later when I get home.
Quick update:
Phone still works 100%, even the speaker is as loud as before. And I did not do the rice trick yet. ^_^
You are great!!
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Quick update:
Phone still works 100%, even the speaker is as loud as before. And I did not do the rice trick yet. ^_^
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That's quite impressive for such a low priced phone. Just icing on the cake!
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That's quite impressive for such a low priced phone. Just icing on the cake!
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I guess the Le Pro 3 has a typical IP53 certification but just not advertised.
P.S Phone still works 100%, now I am tempted to take it to the next level. =D
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I guess the Le Pro 3 has a typical IP53 certification but just not advertised.
P.S Phone still works 100%, now I am tempted to take it to the next level. =D
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I would like to caution you one more time.
Most phones include a water damage sticker inside them, I think LP3 should also have one or two. Even if your phone works just fine, you might lose your warranty for future purposes, if those stickers get in touch of water.
Happy New Year!
Lets end the year with a bang!
https://youtu.be/wCI5R1esqPw
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Lets end the year with a bang!
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How about testing without a case
Regardless, you are crazy, careless, or wealthy to risk this!
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How about testing without a case
Regardless, you are crazy, careless, or wealthy to risk this!
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Let's be realistic here, do you use your phone without a case at all? I don't, because it needs to be protected from scratches, bumps and fall (my daughter dropped it already 3.5 feet face down on cement floor).
The case was never designed to protect Le Pro 3 from water test like this but may have helped somehow because water will pass through case holes first before going into the phone itself.
I maybe crazy or careless but not wealthy LoL.
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Let's be realistic here, do you use your phone without a case at all? I don't, because it needs to be protected from scratches, bumps and fall (my daughter dropped it already 3.5 feet face down on cement floor).
The case was never designed to protect Le Pro 3 from water test like this but may have helped somehow because water will pass through case holes first before going into the phone itself.
I maybe crazy or careless but not wealthy LoL.
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This is my first most-expensive phone I have bought. (I know some of you American/European guys might be laughing at me but living in a country where an 'honors post-grad' earns average 600$/month and being married, it is hard to actually dedicate half of my monthly salary for buying a phone). I don't regret buying it but I agree with your every bit.
Thank you for testing this phone's resilience and reliability for rainy weather. Although camera isn't top notch but it will work for a carry-around instant snapshot purpose. (My G3 still beats this phone in camera quality but I care less, I don't even use camera at all )
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This is my first most-expensive phone I have bought. (I know some of you American/European guys might be laughing at me but living in a country where an 'honors post-grad' earns average 600$/month and being married, it is hard to actually dedicate half of my monthly salary for buying a phone). I don't regret buying it but I agree with your every bit.
Thank you for testing this phone's resilience and reliability for rainy weather. Although camera isn't top notch but it will work for a carry-around instant snapshot purpose. (My G3 still beats this phone in camera quality but I care less, I don't even use camera at all )
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No problem, have you tried Google Camera App? It will bring the IQ to few notches up up to level of Galaxy S6 or iPhone 7. Yes iPhone 7 IQ is horrendous by comparison even with Nexus 5X.
Hey guys,
today I dropped some beer over my Le Pro 3 and I instantly cleaned it (sucked out the liquid out of the charging port and speakers etc.)
But then I got a reboot from my phone, it says I'm out of battery (it got 40% at this moment)..
After reboot, my home button doesn't work anymore, no vibration, no interaction or something else..
I tried to dry it through put it in a bag of rice, but after 3 hours it doesn't changed the situation.
I'm now very desperately about this, do you guys got any tips for me?
Or should I just send it back through my reseller to LeEco for a retail?
Thank you for reading and replying to me!
Greetz
You could try the old trick of leaving your phone in a bag of rice over night to pull out all the moisture.
You can try to clean the usb c port, patiently and with care, with something very moist that can melt the sugars and absorb/remove all the beer residues on the contacts. Then dry out the area with the help of an hairdryer and try to turn on or reset your phone from recovery, if it starts! Good luck!
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Ok guys, I just wrapped my phone in a tshirt (didn't found any rice in my home haha) and after 10 hours, my home hutton work again <3
I'm so happy rn!
Sony make.belive said:
Ok guys, I just wrapped my phone in a tshirt (didn't found any rice in my home haha) and after 10 hours, my home hutton work again <3
I'm so happy rn!
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Good for you, the rice trick and hair blower saved mine last time when it plunged into a salty pool.
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Good for you, the rice trick and hair blower saved mine last time when it plunged into a salty pool.
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in what order do we need to do it? first hair blower and then rice trick?
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in what order do we need to do it? first hair blower and then rice trick?
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- Turn off the phone right away
- Wash with clean water if phone was soiled/dunked in dirty/sweet/salty water
- Shake/Suck the water out
- Hair Blower for at least 15 mins
- Rice trick overnight
Good luck!