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I'm considering purchasing the Defy. (completely in love with the idea of a waterproof phone)
I live in US and have AT&T. Seen topics about the T-Mobile version working on AT&T's 3G bands.
I plan on purchasing one from eBay and my question is, should I get the american "T-Mobile" version or should I get a European version. Which one has more/better roms available? Does the European version work on AT&T 3G? I'm a fan of the all black UK version as well. Are there any other hardware differences besides color of the phone?
Thanks alot! Hope to be visiting these defy forums more often!
Ok, if you buy the American (T-Mo?) you should be able to use it on AT&T 3G through the 850 freq, and of course, on T-Mo.
http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html
You will also be able to use it on the most common international freq, 2100. Looked at the Euro spec phone on the Moto site and they do not appear to be able to work on any USA 3G.
The USA T-Mo branded phone seems to be far less likely to developed the "failed earpiece", if that is even still an issue with current production.
Also, there is a thread with people complaining that the all black phone is structurally "cheaper". Maybe it's an appearance thing. Of course, the T-mo branded phone comes with wifi calling which you cannot use on AT&T... but should you ever switch...
Awesome! Thank you very much for the information.
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Awesome! Thank you very much for the information.
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Remember, I'm only passing on info on the 850 band but have never tried myself.
Just wanted to let everyone know that Bell is stating their LG Optimus LTE is actually the LG P930 Nitro HD (as per the box and the internal OS). Seems to be a bit of confusion on the 'Net. Anyone able to figure this out? Comparison??? Bell vs. AT&T
Doesn't seem to be any sort of a huge difference? Seems basically the same to me other than a few things.
Confusion?
The Optimus LTE is heavier, lacks the extra 2 GB ram, adds the 1700MHz spectrum so it is compatible with WIND, comes with only an 8GB TF SDHC card, no fm radio. some are big differences i would think?
if you go LG.com, it listed Optimus LTE p930 same as Nitro p930.
specs?
If you look, the P930 has different specs than the LTE specs listed all over the 'Net. hence why i started this [Q] to clear up the 2 models conflicting with what Bell is sending out to customers vs. AT&T's Nitro HD P930.
My original [Q] is still unanswered: Bell is handing out the Optimus LTE 4G with boxes and firmware showing it is a P930, yet the specs for the P930 are different from what they are handing out. Which is the right P930??? Bell's or AT&T's?
There ARE differences. see my previous post for them.
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Doesn't seem to be any sort of a huge difference? Seems basically the same to me other than a few things.
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Sorry little off topic what the hell happened to your phones lol. some are kia and others exploded.
BOOM?!
Little off topic is true. maybe he's had bad luck or bad units or the zerglings got him?
Going off topic/the record, I have had the worse luck when it comes to phone this year.
-Atrix sorta burst into a tiny flame while charging
- 1st BB drowned, 2nd had faulty keys and the 3rd one permanently froze
- Whatever bugs/defects that were reported with the Sensation, happened to me
- The Torch and Bold basically died and wouldnt charge or turn on.
Thankfully, I have the PEP plan from Best Buy <3. Technically saved me over $3000 haha
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Just wanted to let everyone know that Bell is stating their LG Optimus LTE is actually the LG P930 Nitro HD (as per the box and the internal OS). Seems to be a bit of confusion on the 'Net. Anyone able to figure this out? Comparison??? Bell vs. AT&T
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Wow, that's interesting. I knew they had differences in software but I didn't think they had some differences in hardware too, considering that they call the Optimus LTE a Nitro HD. Does my Nitro HD have a radio/FM antenna? How does one go about using it?
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Optimus LTE and LG Nitro is the same phone! both phone listed as P930 on lg.com !
optimus lacks the extra 2gb ram? on my nitro, it listed Internal storage available space 1.53GB. i not even sure nitro has 4gb to begin with.
so nitro has fm radio? the nitro never comes with headset (att is getting cheap! haha) and there is no FM app preinstalled on Nitro!
Bell vs AT&T
Check out GSMArena. They have both phones listed and they are different. One is manufactured for Bell Canada and one is manufactured for AT&T. "They are different". The AT&T model has a radio with RDS the Bell one has no radio.. The AT&T model has only the one "LTE 700" frequency. the Bell has 700 and 1700. AT&T has 4 gig but Bell only 2 gig. Bell Canada LTE is rated at 75 Mbps, AT&T 21 max. There may be other differences. Check the site for yourself and see.
I am still debating which new phone to purchase and leaning to the LG. My current phone does not have the worlds greatest battery life so not getting a full day out of the LT is not a major concern. And talking for three hours,I don't think so.
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Check out GSMArena. They have both phones listed and they are different. One is manufactured for Bell Canada and one is manufactured for AT&T. "They are different". The AT&T model has a radio with RDS the Bell one has no radio.. The AT&T model has only the one "LTE 700" frequency. the Bell has 700 and 1700. AT&T has 4 gig but Bell only 2 gig. Bell Canada LTE is rated at 75 Mbps, AT&T 21 max.
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you know how to check out gsmarena but not att.com, lg.com or get the Nitro user manual from lg.com?? radio is never mentioned on nitro!
just cus it' on gsmarena, it must be accurate?
att version maxed out at 21mb? is there such a thing as LTE maxed out 21mb? haha
21mb is hspa+
I just did a speedtests on nitro and get 27mb!
not exactly reliable sources...
If your phone doesn't say "AT&T" above the screen, then you're getting the Optimus LTE. Only AT&T has the Nitro HD (name wise), and unless they're gonna bother switching out the glass/digitizer, you didn't get the nitro hd.
New Thread for Optimus LTE??
So based on each carriers website, and the manufacturer admitting they are different models, would it be out of line to start a separate thread for the LTE P930 vs. the Nitro P930 and set the naming convention to differentiate between the two models and XDA support?
Can a Mod give their input on this please??? I am just trying to clarify this before this thread gets bloated with unnecessary posts that will eventually lead to confusion and eventually blurs the line between the two models and set up some sort of clarity for future posts and support...
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So based on each carriers website, and the manufacturer admitting they are different models, would it be out of line to start a separate thread for the LTE P930 vs. the Nitro P930 and set the naming convention to differentiate between the two models and XDA support?
Can a Mod give their input on this please??? I am just trying to clarify this before this thread gets bloated with unnecessary posts that will eventually lead to confusion and eventually blurs the line between the two models and set up some sort of clarity for future posts and support...
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dude, it doesn't even matter. The Nexus S had i9023, i9020t, and i9020A and they coexist fine. The difference in radio(freq) just means you can't put out roms that changes the baseband.
don't you mean the fact the Optimus LTE has only 2GB of internal memory vs. 4GB of internal memory on the Nitro is also a large difference as well as the lack of the dual LTE frequencies vs the Nitro? or do we need to go further into the other hardware differences (ie: screens etc?)
Hello,
I been looking for the perfect LG G3 Dual Sim model in terms of Specs..
and since i found more than one model.. D856 , D857, D858 and D859
can anyone help me figure out what is are the differences among them ?
thank u
Hi
I've just ordered the D856 which for me (being based in the UK) is the better option considering that includes the LTE 800 band. I know the D858 does not include this band but I'm not entirely sure about the other two variants.
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I've just ordered the D856 which for me (being based in the UK) is the better option considering that includes the LTE 800 band. I know the D858 does not include this band but I'm not entirely sure about the other two variants.
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Hi c1181427,
I'm interested in getting a dual sim LG G3, also based in the UK. I'm currently on Vodafone so the D856 would be the ideal version. Can I ask where you ordered your D856 from?
Thanks in advance,
philipkkan
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Hi c1181427,
I'm interested in getting a dual sim LG G3, also based in the UK. I'm currently on Vodafone so the D856 would be the ideal version. Can I ask where you ordered your D856 from?
Thanks in advance,
philipkkan
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D858HK would work fine on Vodafone as well as it has band 2600 which is LTE+ used by Vodafone UK
Hi.I got mine from a website called from.ae they are based in UAE and the phone was delivered in five days.
Tbh I still haven't worked out the difference between the d856 and d858
One thing I noticed is that on mine there's barely any LG app installed (I think 2) which is surprising coming from a Samsung s4...Not sure if this is standard on LG phones or it's just this version
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Hi c1181427,
Thanks for the info, I'll look into it now. Did you have to pay any customs on the phone?
Samsul,
Thanks but I live in Aberdeen, and work just outside the city. The 800mhz frequency already has poor coverage and so I don't even want to think about how little I will see 4G speeds if I am restricted to only the 2600mhz frequency. I'm not actually sure the 2600mhz frequency is in operation here anyway.
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I did have to pay customs
hi guys, my D856 has no LG apps pre-installed and it came with Google Play already installed. is this the case with the other dual sim variants too?
how much free RAM do you get on your G3's?
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hi guys, my D856 has no LG apps pre-installed and it came with Google Play already installed. is this the case with the other dual sim variants too?
how much free RAM do you get on your G3's?
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Hi guys, I bought a 858HK and it does not have the 800Mhz for 4G in UK
I also got slapped on import duty by £80
so the phone cost me £460
I am willing to sell if anyone wants it
Its a beautiful phone, very fast, the DUAL SIM is essential for work and personal and it comes with some LG apps that are much better than all my previous HTC phones
I've also had to pay £80 import duty but luckily the phone cost me a bit less
I was also hoping to get LTE 800 with my D856 (as advertized in the official LG spec sheet) but nothing...luckily LTE still works with my 3 UK SIM
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D858HK would work fine on Vodafone as well as it has band 2600 which is LTE+ used by Vodafone UK
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Not sure if that's the case...
Got one 858HK yesterday, and so far it doesn't want to do 4G on my Vodafone UK SIM even though it does 2600MHz.
Spoken to Vodafone support and the lady who did not have much clue about the subject, could not confirm if vodafone uses both 800 and 2600, she was saying that in the UK it is only 800Mhz for LTE which is a bit odd and doesn't tie up with information provided here:
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http://www.4g.co.uk/4g-frequencies-uk-need-know/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodafone_UK
On the wikipedia it says "LTE Advance" any body has an idea what that is?
The other thing is that the phone could be faulty as well. Need to try the EE SIM somewhere as that should be on 1800 and 2600Mhz.......
Edit: Apparently Voda UK does 2.6GHz in big agglomerations such as London, Birmingham, Manchester.... (this is not officially confirmed)
Hey everyone, as always i like to buy my phones direct from the manufacture if possible. I do this to avoid all the trivial crap like locked bootloaders, bloat etc. Im looking to buy a G4 that is "clean" without the garbage but can also support LTE in USA. Which model should we shoot for? I bought my Galaxy S6 from Samsung (SM-G920i) which i love since its "clean". Im going to be using it on AT&T in the US btw. Thank you.
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Hey everyone, as always i like to buy my phones direct from the manufacture if possible. I do this to avoid all the trivial crap like locked bootloaders, bloat etc. Im looking to buy a G4 that is "clean" without the garbage but can also support LTE in USA. Which model should we shoot for? I bought my Galaxy S6 from Samsung (SM-G920i) which i love since its "clean". Im going to be using it on AT&T in the US btw. Thank you.
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Good question - I'd like to know the answer, too.
Me three? Anybody know?
Did anyone figure this out? Or at least which supports tmobile/att 3g/4g bands? Like if there is no unlocked version does the tmobile version have all att bands?
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Did anyone figure this out? Or at least which supports tmobile/att 3g/4g bands? Like if there is no unlocked version does the tmobile version have all att bands?
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Good question. I've read that with the G4 international versions, LTE won't work on US GSM carriers, even if the LTE band is available.
But I can't say I've seen a reasonable explanation why.
The one I got from PCMag in their contest was listed in the rules as LG G4 Global Version the model # is LG-H815.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=7996&view=1&c=lg_g4_h815_lte-a_lg_p1 lists the frequencies and its a LOT.
For comparison here it is side by side with the T-mobile G3 my wife uses http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=6272&id2=7996&id3=8045&del_id=8045
I am using mine on T-Mobile with zero issue on 4g.
As for price and availability of this model, its anyone's guess. According to the rules on the contest I entered this phone was valued at $1000 and I had to give PCMag a W9 to claim my prize so they could report the device as income.
It came with very few pre-installed apps from LG.
If anyone has any questions, fire away!
serialtoon said:
Hey everyone, as always i like to buy my phones direct from the manufacture if possible. I do this to avoid all the trivial crap like locked bootloaders, bloat etc. Im looking to buy a G4 that is "clean" without the garbage but can also support LTE in USA. Which model should we shoot for? I bought my Galaxy S6 from Samsung (SM-G920i) which i love since its "clean". Im going to be using it on AT&T in the US btw. Thank you.
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Depending on the area of the US you live the H815 will give you LTE on quite a few bands in the AT&T market. In my area OC, CA band 17 is used for LTE quite a bit and I have a Korean version of the G3 which has no issues getting LTE. I have ordered the H815 which should work fine for me, here is a list of the LTE bands it supports
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 17(700), 20(800), 28(700)
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Depending on the area of the US you live the H815 will give you LTE on quite a few bands in the AT&T market. In my area OC, CA band 17 is used for LTE quite a bit and I have a Korean version of the G3 which has no issues getting LTE. I have ordered the H815 which should work fine for me, here is a list of the LTE bands it supports
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 17(700), 20(800), 28(700)
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Where did you order it from? Looks like I'll want the 815 too
As stated from @alwayslearning my H815 from LG G4 TRIAL 4G LTE work on TMO. And no W9 requires xD and they claimed that it's cost $329 what a deal. Maybe that the Cost to LG USA MOBILE and retailed @ $1000.
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Where did you order it from? Looks like I'll want the 815 too
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I got it on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LG-G4-H...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4196721570
$700.00 , it was cheaper than my wife's S6
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I got it on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LG-G4-H...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4196721570
$700.00 , it was cheaper than my wife's S6
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From Singapore ...pre ordered? Ship on 5/30? Will arrive here a week later hopefully.
Edited...further reading they said they'll ship from US too by FEDEX.
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From Singapore ...pre ordered? Ship on 5/30? Will arrive here a week later hopefully.
Edited...further reading they said they'll ship from US too by FEDEX.
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I have bought from them before and the shipping time is normally 2 to 3 days FEDEX
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I have bought from them before and the shipping time is normally 2 to 3 days FEDEX
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Did you ordered a leather back cover color? Not a bad price for $700.
I already enjoying this phone so much absolutely no lagging UX 4.0 is awesome, the camera will blow your mind away. The Quantum HD screen really fantastic only require min. brightness when watching video at dark compare with my G3. Simply love this phone. Can't wait to get it root and get some wireless charging cover.
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Did you ordered a leather back cover color? Not a bad price for $700.
I already enjoying this phone so much absolutely no lagging UX 4.0 is awesome, the camera will blow your mind away. The Quantum HD screen really fantastic only require min. brightness when watching video at dark compare with my G3. Simply love this phone. Can't wait to get it root and get some wireless charging cover.
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Yes I ordered a Black leather cover and I am also getting a yellow and red cover. I have the G3 now, how does the screen compare to the G3 screen? I have read that it is not as bright. Do you get to keep the phone or do you have to return it?
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Yes I ordered a Black leather cover and I am also getting a yellow and red cover. I have the G3 now, how does the screen compare to the G3 screen? I have read that it is not as bright. Do you get to keep the phone or do you have to return it?
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This screen is better than G3 for me. Where did ordered those leather cover? And yes I got to keep this phone.
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This screen is better than G3 for me. Where did ordered those leather cover? And yes I got to keep this phone.
Sent from LG G4 H815 using TMO 4G LTE
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ordered the covers from Ebay, just search LG G4 covers, they come from South Korea and take about a week to get here. I am hoping once the phones is released in US in the next two weeks BB would have them or the LG website and you might save on shipping
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This screen is better than G3 for me. Where did ordered those leather cover? And yes I got to keep this phone.
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I agree, my screen is better than my wifes G3 and my kids LG Stylo.
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I got it on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LG-G4-H...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4196721570
$700.00 , it was cheaper than my wife's S6
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Hmm...this seems like a good deal since it includes the leather back and has world wide LTE bands. I preordered the dual sim version here in the Philippines but may cancel now and pick this one up instead. More LTE bands and slightly less expensive then my preorder. One perk ordering from LG here is it includes 32gb sd card, second battery and stand alone charger but I can always buy those separately. Most important are the multiple LTE bands since I travel to states twice a year.
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Hmm...this seems like a good deal since it includes the leather back and has world wide LTE bands. I preordered the dual sim version here in the Philippines but may cancel now and pick this one up instead. More LTE bands and slightly less expensive then my preorder. One perk ordering from LG here is it includes 32gb sd card, second battery and stand alone charger but I can always buy those separately. Most important are the multiple LTE bands since I travel to states twice a year.
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Yes....LG did it right this time. When I received the H815 I thought it's H+ data connection in US as expected for International version but LTE is working. So [emoji106] Lucky Goldstar.
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That is way I got the 815 so I could go to Europe and still have LTE at home and the phone is unlocked
I'm looking to buy a refurbished G3 and although I'm on a T-Mobile MVNO and prefer T-Mobile devices for their unlocked bootloaders, an ebay reseller I trust is offering the VS985 in as new condition for a price that is about $50 less than the best I can find for the D851.
The Verizon development scene seems pretty healthy and root/TWRP seem to be readily available. I will probably stay with KitKat and install either CloudyG3 1.2 or Skydragon KK.
Is there any reason to prefer an unlocked AT&T D850 over the Verizon VS985? I realize that with either device I will not have T-Mobile wifi calling or VoLTE but I rarely make calls so that is not a priority,. Are there other significant reasons to avoid the Verizon/AT&T G3 in preference to the T-Mobile D851 I'm overlooking?
Thanks
PS - Still interested in this intellectually but I ended up buying a D851 for a very good price off Swappa.
One reason might be the LTE bands supported by the VS985 variant. It may not support the necessary ones to get 4G LTE on T-Mobile's network.
How much did you end up getting the 851 for after all was said and done?
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One reason might be the LTE bands supported by the VS985 variant. It may not support the necessary ones to get 4G LTE on T-Mobile's network.
How much did you end up getting the 851 for after all was said and done?
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I have had both unlocked AT&T and Verizon phones in the New York City area and both of them got LTE everywhere it was available. I don't travel to remote areas (and if I did I probably wouldn't use TMO) so I don't miss the missing bands.
I paid $300 for a mint D851 on Swappa vs $275 for a mint VS985 from a reseller I trust on ebay. The average low price on the D851 seems to be about $325 or more on both Swappa and ebay, given that there are relatively few D851s for sale.
Now just this past week T-Mobile took the G3 off their website (they are still selling the G2 new at ~$350 or pre-owned at $230) so I would expect there to be a lot more D851s in good condition at better prices on ebay as TMO gets rid of their overstock once the G4 is available. Be interesting to see if it goes as low as $250 for a mint "refurb" in a few months.