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Hey guys,
I wonder if the so called gaming SoC will get any better in terms of gaming performance with further updates from HTC. At the moment the games run barely as good as on my SGS2. I know..the resolution of the HOX is twice as high but the games graphics ar getting better and I cant even play NOVA 3 with my 'gaming device'... There is a way to make it a bit less laggy with new Base and franco kernel but it's still far away from beeing smooth. What I want to ask you is: Is there still potential for tegra 3 to run those games smooth and it's just a matter of time till an update comes that improves the framerates or is it just hardware limited? Are there other Tegra 3 devices which can run these games without any issues? I'm hoping that the 3.* kernel will improve something but actually I have no clue.
well u have to look at this from the point of view of the game/software/hardware
the one game u mentioned is not HOX compatible,
it's been force run on the device.... so as far as this go..... you'll need to wait for the game to be T3 optimized
software optimizations are still underway from both xda devs and htc.... and as u see they are getting better by the day
and finally not much to say about the hardware but... its more than capable just give it time.
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Hey guys,
I wonder if the so called gaming SoC will get any better in terms of gaming performance with further updates from HTC. At the moment the games run barely as good as on my SGS2. I know..the resolution of the HOX is twice as high but the games graphics ar getting better and I cant even play NOVA 3 with my 'gaming device'... There is a way to make it a bit less laggy with new Base and franco kernel but it's still far away from beeing smooth. What I want to ask you is: Is there still potential for tegra 3 to run those games smooth and it's just a matter of time till an update comes that improves the framerates or is it just hardware limited? Are there other Tegra 3 devices which can run these games without any issues? I'm hoping that the 3.* kernel will improve something but actually I have no clue.
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The initial Wild Blood 1.0.7 had full effects and it ran bad on Tegra 3 devices (especially the slower ones like the Nexus 7)
Gameloft quickly botched the game with the v1.0.8 update and downgraded most effects to make it run well on Most Tegra 3 device
check this post for screenshots comparison and how to return your game to v1.0.7
Interestingly the game runs well on stock 2.17 kernel with gaming boost, yet it runs very bad on the One X gaming optimized kernels like Faux, Tegrastats revealed it's using only one core, without gaming boost it rarely crossed 50% load and with boost it rarely crosses 82% load, in other words this game is not using the Tegra 3 CPU at all
Not only it doesn't even begin to use the CPU, Gameloft still fails to optimize their games for the Tegra 3 GPU shortcomings for example Wildblood has an high level of Anisotropic filtering and our GPU is pixel fill rate bound, a reduction to this filtering could have been enough to relief the GPU instead of killing off all the effects
The very best way to play wildblood v1.0.7 is using the One X base 2.17 stock with gaming boost 2.1 or even better with the custom gaming enhanced stock 2.17 kernel
For some very specific reason it runs perfectly playable on this kernel even with full effects as long as you use gaming boost
However if you like to force this game to run well on custom kernels like faux and franco, continue with the following methods
Since this game and many Gameloft games don't uses Tegra 3 cores, we will want the maximum out of our single core
How to Run Wildblood and many Gameloft games at the maximum possible performance on custom One X kernels
First Method: Dual Core lock
- Download the latest Renovate Gaming boost
- Download any CPU control app like SetCPU
- First Enable boost in the gaming boost app, this will set the maximum background free memory and tweak the GPU
- Then change the CPU Governor to Performance mode using your CPU app, this will lock Tegra 3 to dual core mode at maximum clock speed, since two cores are disabled for safety in this governor you don't have to worry about overheating
Run Wildblood 1.0.7, you will notice it runs at least 2 to 3x the performance of default values
Recommended custom kernel for this method is Faux 11 mainline but also works with stock kernel, make sure you don't use an OC kernel since this method will push the device and you don't want it to overheat
OCed kernel might have issues with this method
Don't use this method and game on the charger otherwise your device might overheat
This tips is for non Tegra optimized games, using it with the THD games will surely cause high heat
Once you are done gaming disable boost mode and restore your CPU governor to ondemand to conserve your battery
Alternative method: Quad Core + Throttle lock
This is a much more aggressive method and will heat the device
for some reason the game runs in full quad core on the userspace governor using faux 12b1 and it runs over 30fps with full effects v1.0.7
we also need an OC kernel like faux' variant free this is because we don't want it to throttle all the way down to 1200MHz which always cause a massive drop in speed, I think its related to linked memory speed, so faux variant free or ultra or beta, will throttle to 1350
I didn't try any other kernel like stock but Franco doesn't have userspace and ondemand is only single core on this game, the stock kernel has userspace but I didn't try
so using faux 12b1 enable gaming boost 2.1
using setcpu or ur fav CPU app switch to userpace gov and Noop scheduler
set the min and max clock to 1400, this will lock to the throttle speed of 1350mhz at full quad
run the game and be surprised
u can reduce the lock a little if u feel its too hot, but don't set min below 900 because this governor has a mind if its own
In theory this should also work on stock kernel but it will lock to throttle speed of 1200mhz at full quad
Don't use this method and game on the charger otherwise your device might overheat
This tips is for non Tegra optimized games, using it with the THD games will surely cause high heat
Once you are done gaming disable boost mode and restore your CPU governor to ondemand to conserve your battery
This is cool to use on stock kernels?
Nice tip thanks hammy! XD
Any other CPU tuners worth mentioning? I'm skint atm and cant afford to pay for it XD
The-Last-Hylian said:
This is cool to use on stock kernels?
Nice tip thanks hammy! XD
Any other CPU tuners worth mentioning? I'm skint atm and cant afford to pay for it XD
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yes tons of free CPU apps just search in google store, system tuner is one of them
AND YES it works on stock kernel, although it beyond me why you insist on not trying a custom kernel like faux (2 to 3x the frame rate in Beach buggy)
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yes tons of free CPU apps just search in google store, system tuner is one of them
AND YES it works on stock kernel, although it beyond me why you insist on not trying a custom kernel like faux (2 to 3x the frame rate in Beach buggy)
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TBH I can't seem to ever get round to flashing a custom kernel, also I'm still not 100% confident enough to do it. I'm not sure on which kernel to flash tbh and I'll be jumping up to ARHD 11.1 soon so don't see the point until after then.
I haven't played beach buggy yet.
Nice tip, thanks a lot!
This method is working perfectly for Faux 11 mainline and the device remains so cool :laugh:
Hamdir,
It's possible to get full effects whit v1.0.8?
What for?
This update addresses performance problems experienced by some users on Tegra 3 devices (including Nexus 7).
The update is NOT required for non-Tegra devices.
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They've changed only graphics, this update does not contain any bug fixes.
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Hamdir,
It's possible to get full effects whit v1.0.8?
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+1, updated to 1.0.8 since it went live - would be great if this can be done on this current version.:fingers-crossed:
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+1, updated to 1.0.8 since it went live - would be great if this can be done on this current version.:fingers-crossed:
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Both version is same, just for 1.0.8 version, they've decreased the graphic.. so hamdir just giving us how to revert back to 1.0.7 that hold full graphic enable for those have update to 1.0.8. So, this is the way to make it full effect enable.
@nashshafrulrezza im also getting freezes with the game, Faux11 mainline it's but not the kernel because i press home and i can exit the game, so i think there is something wrong with TB back of v1.0.7
extremely fun and smooth though , this method proves the real problem is that Gameloft is not using the CPU well
@everyone else v1.0.8 made the game smooth by killing effects so you don't really need this method, its only for those who want to play it with full effects enabled on v1.0.7
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@nashshafrulrezza im also getting freezes with the game, Faux11 mainline it's but not the kernel because i press home and i can exit the game, so i think there is something wrong with TB back of v1.0.8
extremely fun and smooth thought , this method proves the real problem is that Gameloft is not using the CPU well
@everyone else v1.0.8 made the game smooth by killing effects so you don't really need this method, its only for those who want to play it with full effects enabled on v1.0.7
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Guess you out of luck too hamdir. Have you try it with franco? I'm not in mood to change kernel today, so hoping for others to report it.
nashshafrulrezza said:
Guess you out of luck too hamdir. Have you try it with franco? I'm not in mood to change kernel today, so hoping for others to report it.
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no im sure it's the games fault, i remembered it also happened pre 1.0.8 update while i can play beach buggy with this method and it gets very hot but rock stable
plus didn't you hear? faux 11 mainline is now glued to my one X until JB source is released, me and my One X are exhausted :laugh:
hold on, i just remembered i have UV50, so next time i play ill try with out UV
anyway i don't think its the kernel fault, if the kernel the entire device would freeze and not just the game
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no im sure it's the games fault, i remembered it also happened pre 1.0.8 update while i can play beach buggy with this method and it gets very hot but rock stable
plus didn't you hear? faux 11 mainline is now glued to my one X until JB source is released, me and my One X are exhausted :laugh:
hold on, i just remembered i have UV50, so next time i play ill try with out UV
anyway i don't think its the kernel fault, if the kernel the entire device would freeze and not just the game
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It just the same.. already try it without uv and it really working great at 1st.. then when it comes to lot monster stage.. the game hang as before.
Agree.. it's the game could be.. just need anyone to test it with latest franco.. cause before this, franco kernel working better when it comes to wildblood.. Maybe we'll found out an answer to this freeze problem.
BTW, I don't want to glued my HOX yet.. Still hoping for better gaming experienced. Not because gaming experienced is bad with our HOX but I'm just hoping gaming will last longer with our HOX, maybe same as iphone.
nashshafrulrezza said:
It just the same.. already try it without uv and it really working great at 1st.. then when it comes to lot monster stage.. the game hang as before.
Agree.. it's the game could be.. just need anyone to test it with latest franco.. cause before this, franco kernel working better when it comes to wildblood.. Maybe we'll found out an answer to this freeze problem.
BTW, I don't want to glued my HOX yet.. Still hoping for better gaming experienced. Not because gaming experienced is bad with our HOX but I'm just hoping gaming will last longer with our HOX, maybe same as iphone.
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will last with all the focus Tegra is getting and not even a word about Tegra 4 so far
why dont u try Franco for us
but correct me if im wrong, when you had franco and no trouble before, you were using your own v1.0.8 and not my 1.0.7 TB
I did the tweaks: Enable Boost and Performance Mode
Beach Buggy Blitz is much smoother at full resolution. But the device still gets overheated I can blame either the chip in 'my' One x or like other people said the jb builds heat up while gaming.
I remember when playing beach buggy blitz normally without tweaks, the lag in the tunnel/dark areas was the most. With these tweaks the lag is barely there
Thanks Hamdir!
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I did the tweaks: Enable Boost and Performance Mode
Beach Buggy Blitz is much smoother at full resolution. But the device still gets overheated I can blame either the chip in 'my' One x or like other people said the jb builds heat up while gaming.
I remember when playing beach buggy blitz normally without tweaks, the lag in the tunnel/dark areas was the most. With these tweaks the lag is barely there
Thanks Hamdir!
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While it works great, this tip is not intended for Beach buggy ill make it clear in the first post
beach buggy and other real Tegra games uses the CPU core and GPU pretty well and they get heated as they are with gaming boost
unlike wildblood which is barely pushing the GPU or the CPU, with this tip it remains very cool
so yea this tip is for wildblood 1.0.7 and maybe other non Tegra optimized games like the ones from GL
the JB kernel is confirmed by many as hotter (so far) if they didnt' fix this, our kernel gods will deal with it, of course this means waiting for the kernel source, once the OTA roles out ill be annoying HTC with requests about the kernel source on Elevate
This is why im now happy that my devices has Asian OTA and will gladly update later when the gaming situation is clear
Alright. Thanks once again.
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will last with all the focus Tegra is getting and not even a word about Tegra 4 so far
why dont u try Franco for us
but correct me if im wrong, when you had franco and no trouble before, you were using your own v1.0.8 and not my 1.0.7 TB
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Nope, when I'm using Franco.. I'm owning the one from google play.. I'll test it after finish my work.. I really want to know the result.
nashshafrulrezza said:
Nope, when I'm using Franco.. I'm owning the one from google play.. I'll test it after finish my work.. I really want to know the result.
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oh and maybe we should trying playing it for while without the performance gov on faux, to see if the gov is to blame (i know its hard lol)
I've played many high end Apps on my SGS2 for quite some time (IE:Shadow Gun, Modern Combat, etc) with no problem or lag whatsoever. But now a days it feels as if those same games feel rather laggy on my same phone. (Stock but rooted). I found Need For Speed Most Wanted to be rather fun but there are times where it lags very badly. Is this everyone? And if so.. How can I over clock but stay as stock as possible? A guide would be lovely. Thanks in advance
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I have a few lag issues (unnoticeable). Maybe trying running an AOSP ROM like CM10 or AOKP? Also you could try the h0tcakez kernel, which also has GPU Overclock. Also trying using the CPU rendering = GPU rendering mod which helps to free up the CPU.
The adreno 220 chip in these phones is already past its prime guys. Be thankful the games even play half as well as they do.
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Comments like the one above are just so pointless.. Go away .
It's true though, three GPU in or phone was nothing new when it went in in the first place... but is far from not being good enough to play these new games.
I have also been play NFS most wanted, but i have not had any of the slow Downs of lag your seeing. Granted i am on paranoid android with my CPU and GPU OC'd'... but my wife's sensation also plays it super smooth and i have her CPU undercloxked to help with battery same CPU and GPU...
The game shows incompatible on my SGH-T989 with kodoo stock 4.04 firmware.
can someone help me sort it out?
Where can I get NFS MW?
Sent from an iPhone, ***** please it came from a T989 from the future
Who is playing this game. I need some SP points in carrer mode. I have login to Orgin and I am looking for some friends: 1adamos
unless you've been living under a rock, you must be aware by now about my performance mod for Need for Speed Most Wanted 1.0.28
This a poll about the Multiple Configuration Patch configuration patch
I have recently recommended 1300000 for internal view and 100000 for external view
I would like to know which setting you found best to play this game
will help us realize which is more important graphics/effect or speed/smoothness
1ghz version.
It is smoother, the phone doesnt gets so hot, so the battery consumtion is not that heavy and it is still eyecandy .
I just wish I could do this with shadowgun deadzone: I would give up this tasty shaders for good perfomance with 8+ players on the screen...(it goes down to aprx. 12 fps and its annoying in online game)
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Zlotin said:
1ghz version.
It is smoother, the phone doesnt gets so hot, so the battery consumtion is not that heavy and it is still eyecandy .
I just wish I could do this with shadowgun deadzone: I would give up this tasty shaders for good perfomance with 8+ players on the screen...(it goes down to aprx. 12 fps and its annoying in online game)
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good choice i found its best for outer view
as for shadowgun deadzone, you can! in the game just go to settings and reduce the graphics, by default it high or ultra
madfinger betrayed us on this one! they used tegra 3 to develop and test the game and in the final multi device version they ruined it for tegra it was so smooth in the beta
Zlotin you have to select an option to enter the poll please
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Neo's Kernel. @ 1.2GHz
Recommendation for the HTC One X Tegra 3
The Nexus 7 patch or the 1300000 mode is good in initial levels, except the lag during road blocks, sadly later on with faster cars fps does suffer, keeping in mind the internal view doesn't have to draw your car and has much higher fps, i have concluded the following:
- If you like to play from internal view, i recommended the Nexus 7/1300000 mode you get to enjoy the extra track effects at good fps, even road blocks lag is minimized
- If you like to play from external view, you will have to settle with the 100000 mode, this is the mode running on the Nexus 10, the graphics still look massively better than Asphalt 7 and there are two bright sides no lag whatsoever on roadblocks and with the fog removed you get to enjoy much further draw distance
- If you still like to play the external view plus 1300 i suggest you try Eternity Project kernel with my interactive script, fastest but complex kernel for gaming and runs 1300 mode very smooth
Thanks for your good work. I'll try it now.
Those using the gaming kernel i seriously recommend switching to SIO scheduler for much less micro stutters
Guys I need help with my G4, situation with gaming is kinda unbelievable... I'm running android 6.0, and most games can't hit over 20fps mark, practically gaming it's more of frustration than fun
Examples:
Dragons rise of berk - 15-16 fps
Real Racing 3 - 20-21 fps
Jurasic World - 18-19fps
FF lagacy - 25-26fps
And things gets more interesting, I have also G2 that makes on average 30% better fps on the same games. Did an Antutu test, G4 is way better than the same G2, huge difference in 3d test.
Checked the net for the issue and found on this site folks that have it but hadn't have in with the Lollipop before that. Please give me some pointers for a future actions, is it wise to try go back to 5.1 or maybe wait for the next update? Or anything at all, I'm open to all ideas as long as they don't cost me my warranty (these LGs are not the most durable devices out there...).
Thanks!
I swear its d3vice to d3vice. I use ps1 and other emulators all the time ive never really watched the frame rates but never noticed lag. I got a gear vr ive been doin a bunch of games on it and it runs killer.
But im on lolipop heavly debloated bare core system.
Stock rom is riddled with throttling while gaming, I did notice games like hearthstone and minecraft getting unplayable after 20 minutes or so, fix is the way of going custom kernel and disabling stock thermal settings, soc on our phone doesn't heat up as much as 810 anyways (also 1440p much more demanding than 1080p take that in to consideration as well)
Of course i tested the heating issue, when the phone is cold is just a bit better, but the same thing basically. For example it would be 1fps difference cold-hot. Also interestingly on Antutu my device scores more than the same G4 with the same soft. Just watching the 3d garden part the phone G4 kills G2, many times smother, but when you try real game is the other way around.
In the other threads people that can't play also score normal on benchmarks.
My phone came with 6.0 stock, so can anyone made the upgrade from Lollipop share their experience? Also if anyone with MM can actually play some on the games I mentioned above as an example?
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Of course i tested the heating issue, when the phone is cold is just a bit better, but the same thing basically. For example it would be 1fps difference cold-hot. Also interestingly on Antutu my device scores more than the same G4 with the same soft. Just watching the 3d garden part the phone G4 kills G2, many times smother, but when you try real game is the other way around.
In the other threads people that can't play also score normal on benchmarks.
My phone came with 6.0 stock, so can anyone made the upgrade from Lollipop share their experience? Also if anyone with MM can actually play some on the games I mentioned above as an example?
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wich kernel you use on G2? i wish there was a dorimanx for G4..
3.10.84 and the soft is V20d-EUR-XX. I'm definitely not a gamer, but can't accept having a G4 that performs like a 80$ lenovo neither... Honestly I was thinking of switching to Samsung, but 20min of reading and I was left with the feeling that this action would just gain me changing one problem with another ones. At lest here I have only that FPS issue...and besides it I like the phone and would strongly prefer not to switch with another brand.
The most irritating thing is that the phone has no signs of hardware problems. On the Gamebench site there's plenty of test done with the stock 5.1 rom - https://www.gamebench.net/en/node/117
As you can see the same games do on average 30fps, witch is as it should be.
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
vic1250 said:
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
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have you tried disabling the LOGD.?
vic1250 said:
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
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The g3 was a good one
G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
vic1250 said:
G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
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yes and no..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/finally-disable-logd-process-root-stock-t3343553
Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
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There is a setting that you can toggle in Settings > Battery & power saving, and then turn off Game optimizer. Don't know if it would help, but it's worth a shot.
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Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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I've mentioned it a few times in previous posts, I think the gaming performance on this device is just simply horrendous.
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Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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Like i said i play ps1 and loads of games on mine. never notice any lag. I just modded my gear vr to work on my g4 and all the vr apps and games run surprisingly very well. Ive never been one to do benchmarks. Look and feel is more important than numbers to me. Ive seen phones get low benchmarks and game really well.
Im on lolipop by the way
Tested another thing, picked 2 games from the gamebench site that have been tested on g4... So Modern Combat 5 - 29fps Boom Beach - 58fps, both run super fluid. And the scores are exactly like in their test.
Having said that Real Racing continues to be a lot worse but they do 32fps on average. How is this possible? Look like the problem is concentrated on some games, not logical to me? How would it be possible every device to chose individually what games it likes??
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Tested another thing, picked 2 games from the gamebench site that have been tested on g4... So Modern Combat 5 - 29fps Boom Beach - 58fps, both run super fluid. And the scores are exactly like in their test.
Having said that Real Racing continues to be a lot worse but they do 32fps on average. How is this possible? Look like the problem is concentrated on some games, not logical to me? How would it be possible every device to chose individually what games it likes??
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Try Sim City BuildIt out on your phone and follow the tutorial right through to Dans City and see how that runs, its pretty poor on mine.
Will try it, even better its a strategy one. Btw, phonearena had complains about underperforming gpu on this phone. Was playing in 1080p trick possible without root?
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Will try it, even better its a strategy one. Btw, phonearena had complains about underperforming gpu on this phone. Was playing in 1080p trick possible without root?
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Dont know about without root but that might be it. i forgot i had my resolution dropped to 1080 for a long time now.
Ive been runnin all my vr 3d intensives in 1080. And like i said ive never noticed lags.
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Dont know about without root but that might be it. i forgot i had my resolution dropped to 1080 for a long time now.
Ive been runnin all my vr 3d intensives in 1080. And like i said ive never noticed lags.
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When I play 3d scenes in Antutu they are 1080p, and G4 plays them a LOT smother than G2. So I guess that might solve the problem, 2k is absolutely unnecessary for gaming purposes on this small screen.
Also I'm not sure that the acctual intensity of the game is the main reason, thing looks more like game to game or optimizing issues.