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[Q] detection of free tethering with Verizon

Hi all
Please help ansswering any or all of the following:
1- can you tether with verizon without rooting the phone, just by somehow
creating new access point?
2- do you need to root in order to tether?
3- Will verizon find out you are tethering without the tethering plan and charge you for it?

i will bank everything that it is blocked !

We don't know yet how they will handle it because Verizon has never had a Nexus device. Sprint and AT&T block it, T-Mobile does not. On carriers where it is blocked, it has always been rather easily circumvented.
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This is what people are doing to get unlimited.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19887774
I had unlimited on my one line but added the gf so i can get the nexus. Not sure how long this will last.
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I believe you either need root, or one of the various apps like PDANet that might or might not work without root.
As far as being caught... easiest thing to do is not be stupid. If you've averaged 4GB/Month and then suddenly spike to 20 they'll probably suspect something. I tether with my rooted Incredible often enough, but I don't download torrents or anything... mainly MUDs or simply the want of a larger/more powerful means of web browsing.
Tapatalk Pro Sig. Yep, boring.

Wifi hot spot? VZW...

Hey can someone confirm whether the stock wifi hotspot feature works on the Verizon galaxy nexus without having to add a tethering plan?
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When I select to turn it on, it runs through a "checking for subscription" then pops up an Error window that I'm not authorized to run it and have to call Customer Service. It was the first thing I tried as soon as I walked out of the VZW store this morning.

Greg Tolan said:
Hey can someone confirm whether the stock wifi hotspot feature works on the Verizon galaxy nexus without having to add a tethering plan?
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I'd like to know this as well. Chances are though, you have to be rooted and the hotspot app will have to be hacked for it to be used without detection check by VZW. I am with Sprint OG Samsung Epic, and these were the necessary steps to get Sprint hotspot to work without having a plan. I am sure a dev will be able to get it done in time. In the meantime, suggest rooting and using either Barnacle tether or Wifi Tether, or if you want to stay stock: PDANet.

After root - wired tether will work.
After root - WiFi tether will NOT work. It has the 'blocktether' thing on there.

keatre said:
After root - wired tether will work.
After root - WiFi tether will NOT work. It has the 'blocktether' thing on there.
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Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.

Framework patch. Give it a week. Or just pay for it.
dohturdima said:
Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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dohturdima said:
Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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At this moment, you'll need an LTE rom or patch that disables the 'blocktether' methinks. I am running stock for the rest of the week, so I cannot test - apologies.

dohturdima said:
Ouch. Any available apps/workarounds to enable wireless tether? This is a make-or-break issue for me right now in terms of getting the phone.
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Just root your phone. There is no downside to that.

pharpe said:
Just root your phone. There is no downside to that.
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That's not the problem. Not being able to tether could potentially be a dealbreaker for some people (myself included).

Its blocked. You've got to root and remove the software they have for tracking tethering. Or wait for a CDMA custom ROM to come out that has unblocked tethering.
jumaaneface said:
Or just pay for it.
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LOL

If it's that big of a deal, pay for it then.

keatre said:
At this moment, you'll need an LTE rom or patch that disables the 'blocktether' methinks. I am running stock for the rest of the week, so I cannot test - apologies.
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Yup. You'll just have to get a rom that has tethering open for all of our hearts' content!

Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.

triunetehk said:
Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.
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Using a 3rd party app doesn't remove Verizon's tracking software. They'll still see you're doing it based on my experiences w/ VZW phones...

I'm assuming you guys have tried Google's Wireless Tether app. No dice?

triunetehk said:
Anyone tried this app ht tp://goo.gl/LZCZO or the paid version ? Can't believe VZW sucks so bad, makes sense now why the phone was delayed so long... Google arguing against VZW breaking and crippling their beautiful OS. But I just bought one this morning and being delivered tomorrow.
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Not letting people steal bandwidth is not crippling the OS. Don't get me wrong I think paying for tethering is beyond retarded but it is a paid service that they offer there is no reason for them to give it away for free.
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joshnichols189 said:
Not letting people steal bandwidth is not crippling the OS. Don't get me wrong I think paying for tethering is beyond retarded but it is a paid service that they offer there is no reason for them to give it away for free.
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People aren't "stealing" bandwidth. They're paying for it and using it. This isn't even an argument in a world of capped data plans. If you pay for 2GB or 4GB or 10GB+, you're buying that bandwidth from VZW. Its yours to use. And carriers are being beyond ridiculous, forcing consumers to pay for data twice.
And it is crippling (albeit thats a bit dramatic) the OS. ICS (and 2.2, 2.3) has wired/wireless tethering enabled. Removing that, is removing a feature that used to make the OS whole.

Just to clear the air -
Currently - no matter what App you use, you cannot WiFi tether.
Verizon is blocking ALL WiFi tether - you will need to remove the check.

Thanks for the update. What are the chances that this check can be removed? I know people with the Bionic were having problems tethering (still not sure if they can).
This is a deal breaker for me, so I'm hoping it isn't something too complicated for the devs to remove.
P.S. Let's not turn this into a morality thread. This is a place to discuss whether or not you can get WiFi tethering working without paying extra for it.

This is a huge problem, I need to tether by next Thursday.

Will the 5X have tether restrictions out of the box?

Just curious if people think we can tether freely out of the box on the 5X. I'm on Verizon, grandfathered Unlimited Data and I know on the Moto X Pure 2015 you could just pop your sim card in and tether without editing anything in the build.prop or whatever file it was.
I know there is no Verizon software baked in to the rom obviously, but I've heard default android can include a subscription check or something similar in the tethering for this sort of thing.

I believe tethering restrictions are based on the carrier back-end and not the phone. On T-Mobile USA, I was able to tether with my N6 without any problems.

Verizon actively restricts tethering on their branded devices by locking the bootloader. As the nexus is not branded by or sold by verizon, you should be able to tether without issue.

Jexx11 said:
Just curious if people think we can tether freely out of the box on the 5X. I'm on Verizon, grandfathered Unlimited Data and I know on the Moto X Pure 2015 you could just pop your sim card in and tether without editing anything in the build.prop or whatever file it was.
I know there is no Verizon software baked in to the rom obviously, but I've heard default android can include a subscription check or something similar in the tethering for this sort of thing.
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Just got my 5x today and unfortunately no, tethering does not work (on Verizon - I also have the grandfathered unlimited plan). I'm still looking into a work around (you can use FoxFi, which doesn't require rooting), but I'd rather have it through the ROM. I am considering rooting. However, I'm not sure if we know the long-term consequences of the setting off the QFuse.
Anyone know of a way to tether (without rooting - until we know more about QFuse)?

I am able to set up wifi hotspots from mine on AT&T without issue. I don't have a device handy to test out USB tethering but I don't know why that would be any different.

ckotten03 said:
Just got my 5x today and unfortunately no, tethering does not work (on Verizon - I also have the grandfathered unlimited plan). I'm still looking into a work around (you can use FoxFi, which doesn't require rooting), but I'd rather have it through the ROM. I am considering rooting. However, I'm not sure if we know the long-term consequences of the setting off the QFuse.
Anyone know of a way to tether (without rooting - until we know more about QFuse)?
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Did you actually try using FoxFi? Mine does not work. (I also have Verizon on the grandfathered unlimited plan.) I get an "android.permission.CONNECTIVITY_INTERNAL error".

I don't have my 5x yet to test on my own, but I did come across this and hopefully it works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/how-to-unlock-tethering-android-4-4-to-t3227206
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Jexx11 said:
I don't have my 5x yet to test on my own, but I did come across this and hopefully it works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/how-to-unlock-tethering-android-4-4-to-t3227206
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I just need my A to C cable to arrive to check it out! Thanks, I've been looking for this. My cable arrives tomorrow.

Hotspot worked on Nexus 5. Pixel XL now checks for a subscription. Whats different?

I never had a hotspot subscription, but my mobile hotspot seemed to work perfectly on my Nexus 5. Never did I see "checking for subscription" on my Nexus 5.
Today, after activating my nano SIM, I go to try mobile hotspot and now my Pixel XL checks for an AT&T subscription. This is a bummer since I have an unlimited data plan.
I understand that this is a service AT&T wants to sell, but I'm confused as to what the differences between the two phones are. Both phones are bought from Google directly.
Also, do any of you know of an app which can create a hotspot?
Thanks in advance.

This has come up over and over since the Nexus 6. Android itself now has it built into the back end to check with the carrier for hotspot provisioning. Some carriers don't care. Most do.
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arcanexvi said:
This has come up over and over since the Nexus 6. Android itself now has it built into the back end to check with the carrier for hotspot provisioning. Some carriers don't care. Most do.
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Hm, I did not know that. Any way around it?

guitarplayersteven said:
Hm, I did not know that. Any way around it?
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Once we get root there probably will be.

guitarplayersteven said:
Hm, I did not know that. Any way around it?
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Subscribe to the service?
For those of you still on UDP still, you have to be aware at this point that VZW doesn't really like that you still have it which is why they keep raising your prices. You're just giving them a really good reason to kick you off that plan tier by violating your ToS. Yes they can do this. Keep skirting it if you'd like but don't be surprised if it happens. The carriers can see what type of traffic is passing through the device. This how TMO caught people on old legacy plans before they started giving away hotspot.
I'm sure a workaround will pop up at some point but I've experienced it myself and known a few other people that lost old legacy plans this way.
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arcanexvi said:
Subscribe to the service?
For those of you still on UDP still, you have to be aware at this point that VZW doesn't really like that you still have it which is why they keep raising your prices. You're just giving them a really good reason to kick you off that plan tier by violating your ToS. Yes they can do this. Keep skirting it if you'd like but don't be surprised if it happens. The carriers can see what type of traffic is passing through the device. This how TMO caught people on old legacy plans before they started giving away hotspot.
I'm sure a workaround will pop up at some point but I've experienced it myself and known a few other people that lost old legacy plans this way.
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A representative at AT&T said this is a common problem with unlocked phones (One Plus owners specifically), and they have resolved this issue in the past. We'll see how far she gets. If she does not find a solution, I'll have to consider other options.
Thanks for your input.

Thrillhouse847 said:
Once we get root there probably will be.
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Check this out if you haven't seen it already: https://twitter.com/ChainfireXDA/status/791576935977644032

guitarplayersteven said:
Check this out if you haven't seen it already: https://twitter.com/ChainfireXDA/status/791576935977644032
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That was fast.

guitarplayersteven said:
I never had a hotspot subscription, but my mobile hotspot seemed to work perfectly on my Nexus 5. Never did I see "checking for subscription" on my Nexus 5.
Today, after activating my nano SIM, I go to try mobile hotspot and now my Pixel XL checks for an AT&T subscription. This is a bummer since I have an unlimited data plan.
I understand that this is a service AT&T wants to sell, but I'm confused as to what the differences between the two phones are. Both phones are bought from Google directly.
Also, do any of you know of an app which can create a hotspot? Thanks in advance.
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You can use this trick to get the hotspot going on your phone without root. I have tried it on my Pixel XL with ATT. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69229666&postcount=35
The Network Signal Refresher app you will need is here. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atejapps.networksignalrefresher&hl=en My N6 checked with the death star for hotspot permission. Rooting the N6 and modifying two files had me tethering all I wanted. It is nice to be able to tether without root using the network app. If you tether up a storm, ATT may very well send you a text. One of the files that got modified on the N6 told the phone not to send all the tethering data through a specific tethering path via ATT. So even though you can get a hotspot on the Pixel, it will be easy for ATT to know you are tethering.

Unlimited data hotspotting

I have been searching for a while now and can not find an answer anywhere. I have a Samsung Galaxy s7 Active, a Samsung Galaxy s5, and a Samsung Galaxy Express 3. I have AT&T service with grandfathered Unlimited data. As you all know AT&T will not let you hotspot with the unlimited package.
But SOMEBODY has to have a way around it for one of the three phones I have. Hotspot is my only option for Internet because I live way out in the Styx and I'm not paying the insane prices satellite Internet charges way out here for such a small data package.
If somebody has a way to use my unlimited data package on one of these three phones I will swap my SIM card out whenever I want to hotspot.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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As far as the s7 active goes I hear some people on the s7 active root (success) thread saying that the android 7.0 update they found allows you to use the native hotspot without having to root your phone and without having to subscribe to a hotspot plan. Don't know about the other phones as I never had them before.

Thanks I will try that
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raze5115 said:
As far as the s7 active goes I hear some people on the s7 active root (success) thread saying that the android 7.0 update they found allows you to use the native hotspot without having to root your phone and without having to subscribe to a hotspot plan. Don't know about the other phones as I never had them before.
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Hey man I am new to this but trying to learn. How exactly do I download this update? From the play store? Or do I have to have a laptop? Can you please point me in the right direction? I am sorry if this a silly question but like I said I am new
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