Steam is going to be released on chrome os very soon and was wondering if it's possible to port chrome os on the z fold 3 to potentially be about to install steam nativity? Imagine being able to play your steam library anywhere for those not lucky enough to get a steam deck
I'm gonna guess that's a solid "no."
A very long shot here, but you could install UserLAnd, install a Linux environment and then stream into that environment. But I don't know if steam is available for arm64 on eg. Ubuntu, if the game you want to play is available for arm64 and if the graphics system of the Fold is able and powerful enough to play that game
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Steam is going to be released on chrome os very soon and was wondering if it's possible to port chrome os on the z fold 3 to potentially be about to install steam nativity? Imagine being able to play your steam library anywhere for those not lucky enough to get a steam deck
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thats why there is xcloud and geforce now and steam
I know there is geforce now and x cloud I was just wondering about having it native instead of streaming. I figured It was a long shot just hopeful since Chrome os is getting steam soon that maybe there was a way
AssAssiN FtC said:
Steam is going to be released on chrome os very soon and was wondering if it's possible to port chrome os on the z fold 3 to potentially be about to install steam nativity? Imagine being able to play your steam library anywhere for those not lucky enough to get a steam deck
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Running chromeos to get steam support is really convoluted, Steam works on chromeos via a Linux container, you'd be better off trying to get steamOS working as a Linux container directly.
The main issue is that the zfold3 has an arm64 cpu, and valve are only just experimenting with arm support, using several abstraction layers such as proton and moltenvk.
Once the new steam deck comes out, I'm sure others will work on porting steamos to other devices if its possible.
That'd be amazing. But do you really want local play on that chip?
You already have options, really good ones too if you have an Nvidia card in your PC.
Right now on a pixel 4a5g I have both steam link installed as well as moonlight (moonlight streaming). Both work incredibly well for streaming games from my PC at home and even out and about, though we have 5g all over Taipei so that helps. Steam link works out of the box, moonlight takes a bit of config, both though once set up are great.
I'm actually considering the zfold because Samsung actually supports HDMI over usbc unlike google which has apparently hardware locked it in my phone? Anyway with my PC having my entire steam library installed, as well as an nes, SNES, N64, gb, GBA, DS, 3ds, GameCube, Wii, Wii u, PS2, and PS3 emulators with libraries on it, I have in my pocket the best gaming rig I've ever had in my life.
I am still really looking forward to the steam deck though
Here's a quick screen I took last night testing onscreen controls for moonlight while running a GameCube emulator. Stream was flawless over 5g.
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I was wondering if the technology is available to connect an xbox controller to a WM7 phone. If this could be accomplished, Microsoft wouldn't have to stick to the terrible arcade game intergration, but could expand it to include Actual Xbox 360 games, downloaded as application games for retail prices (or less), or the games might be transferrable from your xbox (with the disk in it) to your phone as a one time download. This would truly make the WM7 phone the ultimate entertainment device, and it would distinguish it from any other phone company out there.
Any thoughts on how to make this happen, or if it's even possible?
In theory it's possible but you'd have to have a computer hooked up to the controller running a web service that the game communicates with. It would be much too slow to be useable.
So a 2 ghz processor (which is potentially entering the market next year) and a 4g connection with Sprint wouldn't make this concept possible?
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So a 2 ghz processor (which is potentially entering the market next year) and a 4g connection with Sprint wouldn't make this concept possible?
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no. Too much lag. Even on WiFi it would be too laggy for most games.
If Microsoft did a massive change in their policies or somehow sanctioned this, you would have to have some sort of hardware dongle connected to the phone that would allow the phone to communicate to the controller. Then you wouldn't have the lag. But that's not gonna happen.
Yea, the tech is there, but is it worth it? The addition steps and input latency would just ruin it. A Much easier concept would be using the wii mote or PS3 controller since they both have Bluetooth connectivity. There have already been hacks with android, winmo 6.5, and the Iphone where people have used the Wiimote/PS3 controller for gaming. I see no reason for it unless your running a console emulator.
... or they could just make the controller with the proper port (likely microUSB) and just create a driver for it in WP7
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... or they could just make the controller with the proper port (likely microUSB) and just create a driver for it in WP7
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Still have the ol host-peripheral problem. Both devices are expecting to be a peripheral. The Xbox controller also expects to get power from the host. Possible? Most likely (depends on the hardware in the phone). Practical? Absolutely not.
As long as the Phones will be able to play some of the more indy 3d games on xbox (the little $10 or less games on there) that should be enough. No reason to try and play Halo 3 on the phone, but a lot of those smaller games on the xbox actually are really dang good.
Could you imagine games like Geometry Wars 2, PvZ, Worms 2 Armageddon, Sam & Max, and countless others? Similar to some of the good iPhone games, but with DirectX 9 capable graphics, we can seriously get some good games ported. I have been dying for a full Worms game port (WM Worms World Party was a bit of a cut down letdown), and many other games that should have been ported but never were. Tyrian, Ultrabots, Red Alert 1, etc. Hopefully this OS will change some of that.
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As long as the Phones will be able to play some of the more indy 3d games on xbox (the little $10 or less games on there) that should be enough. No reason to try and play Halo 3 on the phone, but a lot of those smaller games on the xbox actually are really dang good.
Could you imagine games like Geometry Wars 2, PvZ, Worms 2 Armageddon, Sam & Max, and countless others? Similar to some of the good iPhone games, but with DirectX 9 capable graphics, we can seriously get some good games ported. I have been dying for a full Worms game port (WM Worms World Party was a bit of a cut down letdown), and many other games that should have been ported but never were. Tyrian, Ultrabots, Red Alert 1, etc. Hopefully this OS will change some of that.
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good news is the games are all written in XNA so a port would be simple, its just up to the developers to do it & figure out touch controls
I can just imagine, the emulator ports you smart guys at xda will be able to come up with. I will have a mobile beast in my hands.
Have you guys searched Youtube for some of the awesome games already in production for WP7? Their are a lot of new guys making simple XNA games that look promising then their are games like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp7UHk1k4xY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLLp6kLe1IA&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZksEnvA_hQA&feature=fvwas well as Apps like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnkWbUxFqNk&feature=related coming out. Seriously sweet stuff.
no link to Harvest?
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PaperBall
Next War
Twin Blade
Grand Piano
Harvest looks alright but the rest looks like crap...
So with the raw power that the M9 has, would it be possible to play console games on it or even PC games? Im talking like dying light, FC4, BF4, etc. maybe through an emulator or something? I would love to play my PC games on my phone
i tried god of war the psp game using psp emulator
its run like 8-10 FPS without any enhancement
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i tried god of war the psp game using psp emulator
its run like 8-10 FPS without any enhancement
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And thats PSP? huh...
So i guess bf4, if it were possible, would get terrible frame rates. bummer.
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And thats PSP? huh...
So i guess bf4, if it were possible, would get terrible frame rates. bummer.
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beside , there is no BF4 on android
Quadrider10 said:
So with the raw power that the M9 has, would it be possible to play console games on it or even PC games? Im talking like dying light, FC4, BF4, etc. maybe through an emulator or something? I would love to play my PC games on my phone
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All due respect mate, if you're talking about emulation, even the ps2 is problematic and that's on a high end gaming rig, the problem is the complex processing it uses whilst not the most powerful processor in the world it is difficult to emulate, as for anything like the the ps3 or ps4, I'm afraid at the moment its not possible and if it were it would be utterly awful and that is on a high end gaming rig.
On a phone it really is impossible, high end games like battlefield 4 would have to be created with arm architecture in mind, and even if they did decide to do that, the phone would die quickly and the game would run like a dying dog.
Sorry mate, for now and the foreseeable future the best you can expect is psx, PSP, n64 and maybe ( and this is a big maybe) emulation for the GameCube and Wii, which has been done to a degree but again, runs like a dog.
The only games which are console like which you may be able to get to run are the ones which have been created for the nvidia shield, like portal and half life 2, hardly mind blowing graphics but a really big deal for mobile gaming, I'm not too sure on the nvidia shields processor or GPU but I do know its superior to the adreno in our m9's with that in mind, even if it is possible to get it to run, you have to expect issues.
The only option you have to play games on your phone is to grab a decent pad like the Moga pro and splash top to stream the game to your device. An nvidia graphics card for your pc is preferable for this and a rock solid internet connection for your phone, even then you should expect a fair bit of input lag on those games, this technique has been around for a few years now.
Sorry its not better news mate I'd love to play black ops 2 or even cod 2 on my phone, LAN parties in work when its quiet would be epic.. I think with games like call of duty 2 its quite possible as the hardware in our phones could probably handle most of the graphics but again it'd have to be created instead of ported.
Apparently doom 3 has been ported, that's quite cool.
I'm surprised nobody is talking about this here. This is pretty big.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...05/nintendo-wii-gamecube-nvidia-shield-china/
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I'm surprised nobody is talking about this here. This is pretty big.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...05/nintendo-wii-gamecube-nvidia-shield-china/
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Yeah I've been checking on here to see if anyone had mentioned anything about it. I'm curious to see what the difference is between the Chinese version of the Shield and the current one.
I'm presuming there will be a TV version of the JD.com app but I'm wondering if there will be any different framework in the ROM so that this app and the Wii/GC games only work on that variant.
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Yeah I've been checking on here to see if anyone had mentioned anything about it. I'm curious to see what the difference is between the Chinese version of the Shield and the current one.
I'm presuming there will be a TV version of the JD.com app but I'm wondering if there will be any different framework in the ROM so that this app and the Wii/GC games only work on that variant.
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according to sources, its gonna be HD remakes of the games and all upscaled to 1080p, and people are speculating that they'll be downloads so ppl might make APK mods and end up being free.
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according to sources, its gonna be HD remakes of the games and all upscaled to 1080p, and people are speculating that they'll be downloads so ppl might make APK mods and end up being free.
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When I say ROM I specifically mean the Nvidia firmware. When Nvidia released shield exclusive games in the past they put certain checks in them and referenced Nvidia graphics libraries to play the games.
Hopefully we will have the same graphics libraries in the firmware but if we have different framework information then I'm guessing that would have to be bypassed in the APK or spoofed/installed on our Shield TV version.
It's too early to say if all this is possible I guess.
has not been talked about here because this is old news. Before the second gen shield tv was released, before the nintendo switch was released, it was stated that nintendo would be porting over a couple of games to the shield and they would not receive a North American release. Most likely part of the nvidia nintendo switch deal. Doubt nintendo does the actual porting though. Also shows how easily wii games could be ported to the switch. Goes to show, the shield tv isn't really meant to be much of a gaming system though, not in nvidias eyes. I say this because nvidia could have partnered with game developers to bring AAA ports and AAA exclusives. Look at all the game developer love the switch has gotten and continues to get, in theory all of those games should run on the shield. Afterall, the switch is a shield tv with an extra gb of ram, but the switch cpu gpu and ram are under clocked and under voltage to allow longer battery life.
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has not been talked about here because this is old news. Before the second gen shield tv was released, before the nintendo switch was released, it was stated that nintendo would be porting over a couple of games to the shield and they would not receive a North American release. Most likely part of the nvidia nintendo switch deal. Doubt nintendo does the actual porting though. Also shows how easily wii games could be ported to the switch. Goes to show, the shield tv isn't really meant to be much of a gaming system though, not in nvidias eyes. I say this because nvidia could have partnered with game developers to bring AAA ports and AAA exclusives. Look at all the game developer love the switch has gotten and continues to get, in theory all of those games should run on the shield. Afterall, the switch is a shield tv with an extra gb of ram, but the switch cpu gpu and ram are under clocked and under voltage to allow longer battery life.
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its old news that it was supposed to happen. now its actually happening tho id think ppl would at least discuss it was my point in my question. its still big news im sure someone will find a way to spoof the games to run on USA versions of the shield like the guy above mentioned, i agree with everything you said except the part about the AAA games, they already did that and have some thats what geforce now is for.
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When I say ROM I specifically mean the Nvidia firmware. When Nvidia released shield exclusive games in the past they put certain checks in them and referenced Nvidia graphics libraries to play the games.
Hopefully we will have the same graphics libraries in the firmware but if we have different framework information then I'm guessing that would have to be bypassed in the APK or spoofed/installed on our Shield TV version.
It's too early to say if all this is possible I guess.
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yeah ik what u meant, i was just making the point about modded apks and such since the games do seem to be something that can be downloaded.
but i agree its too early to say, lets keep hope alive tho
Except they haven't done that. How many AAA games run on the shield? Hardly any, couple out dated games got ported. GeForce now is a joke & doesn't count as AAA titles for the shield since they aren't running on the shield. Any android device can stream games.
It's probably all down to money. I'm guessing they make a lot more from their Geforce Now service than they would porting games.
Shield TV also isn't portable like the Nintendo Switch so doesn't have that niche selling point (it's up against Sony and Microsoft if it pitches itself as a gaming device and it's always going to lose that one) and Nintendo has a fairly big die hard following so game developers are more inclined to make games for the Switch... they will sell.
It's a shame that we probably won't see the Shield reach its potential as a gaming device but to be honest I use it more as an all round media device that can do a lot of things so I'm fairly happy.
Did anybody have any luck with finding the APK files for the Nintendo games? I want to see if the games work with GLTools like Half Life and Portal does.
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Did anybody have any luck with finding the APK files for the Nintendo games? I want to see if the games work with GLTools like Half Life and Portal does.
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Isn't it only the Tegra 4 (shield portable) compatible games that work with GL Tools?
I am trying to figure out if there is any room to use this device with emulators.
I tried a GPD xd which was running great emulators on Android OS; and considering that the Gemini is running Android, I am trying to figure out if I can use the Gemini as emulator machine on the go too.
Getting mine in a week or so, so I want to be ready for it; or if the Gemini chipset is not powerful enough, I am probably going for a used Vita at this point.
Does anyone have some benchmarks or emulators running on the Gemini?
So, I had the chance to play with the device a bit, and must say that even with 10 core, it is quite slow.
I ran some of the standard benchmarks, like 3dmark, Antutu and few others, and the results are disappointing.
- GPUscore gave me 20390 as score
- Antutu gave me 103315, which get close to an Asus Zenfone 5 and a Samsung A9 from 2018
- 3dmark slingshot extreme came in at 1089 with OGLES 3.1 and 822 with Vulkan; regular slingshot gave me 1309 and Ice storm extreme did max out
Tried few emulated cores with retroarch and so far they did work fine (Arcade games, GBA, PC Engine). No luck running more advanced console; but I assume I need to get specific emulators for android.
I am going to try also performances under linux; as soon as I can get the installation done. From my understanding the installation of a new OS, even if I keep Android, will wipe Android and reset it; so I will loose all the current settings.
So far I think the Gemini is an OK device; nowhere near a shield of course; but it may be an interesting device, once you put some emulators and games on it, to go side by side with productivity apps. will update the thread as soon as I get linux installed, so I can try it out as development machine. If it can be faster than a raspberry pi; then it is more than enough for my needs.
Hi! I am using my Gemini as an emulation device and even if it is not as powerful as GPD XD, for example, I managed to get a lot of stuff working just fine.
- ePSXe (PSX emulator): works great and is playable even with some OpenGL enhancements.
- PPSSPP (PSP emulator): tests the limits of the device. Most games are playable only in the original 1x resolution with frameskip set to 1. Trying to use anything more leads to lag.
- Mupen64plu (N64 emulator): works OK.. ish. Tested with GoldenEye.
- anything less than PSX works great: GBA, SuperNES, GBC, NES...
- DeltaTouch (Doom source port): works excellently even with OpenGL effects and Brutal Doom.
I think that Planet never intended the Gemini to be used for retrogaming, but its small form-factor makes it actually a great portable emulation device. You will miss those shoulder-buttons though. For those, I suggest getting GPD XD instead (it is hell of a lot cheaper as well).
So i had this idea right, im sitting here in my apartment playing the shield, eating a burrito and then it hits me, with the release of google stadia coming quickly, a new shield with new hardware, and looking more and more likely that the shield might just go into abandonment, and i mean why not just do what all us tech guys do; take something slow/broken/outdated and make it fast/smooth/new, SOOOOOOO i need some thought and opinions on how i should go about this, the idea is too crack open and do a careful teardown of the hadware and case that currently makes up the latetest shield gaming edition, set it aside and fine a small case like a mini ITX, although im thinking i might go a lil smaller, wire the whole deal up using and I/O that comes already on the face of the case, 2+ TB hard disk, (External gpu??) then possibly configuring some kind of water cooling as i FULLY intend too then root the device and use SUperuser too overclock the cpu, and then I KNOWW this is a strech but i was looking into actually running a different OS on the sheild possibly?? WoA (windows on ARM) IS POSSIBLE and fully avalible too developers although the only issue being absolutely no driver support but any NATIVE x86 programs WILL RUN FINE, or possibly running steamOS and making her a steam machine but as newer distrobutions of linux looking like a pretty viable option for gaming nowadays.
aaaaaanyways lemme know what yall think and throw me some of your thoughts my way as any feedback is good feedback
A different Case might be nice, but I don't get the point of running a different OS on it. There are better (and cheaper) Options hardwarewise for other OSes.
jetson board cheaper
At the moment I also use Nvidia Shield. I am planning to add a hard drive to this build to keep my favorite movies in 4k. My library will expand in the future.
Why not get a Network Attached Storage and be able to access it from all the devices in your home?
Fill it with movies from your computer and watch them on your Shield TV (or any other device with a screen for that matter) .