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Who bought the extended battery and why?

I thought about it and even on employee discount I couldn't justify it. It's such minimal difference I can't bring myself to do it. I'll stick with my car charger and 3500MaH Boost Pak.

Why? lol shouldn't that be obvious?
The difference is actually pretty large. With the 2100mAh battery in there it drains about the same speed as my Galaxy S II (bit slower, actually)...and that's on LTE. Granted, I haven't been using the phone *too* much, but even on Standby LTE eats up the battery fairly quickly.
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Like I said, I haven't been using it too much, but I've done enough (downloaded some things, browsed a bit, messaging, facebook, etc...). For awhile it hovered around 58%, then it actually went back up to 60%. I know the phone doesn't have a completely accurate reading, but my battery widget measures voltages to get a % and it's always been dead accurate. As it stands it looks like this thing will have no trouble making it through the day.
Screen on-time is 1:40. Not very much, but not bad considering how much LTE usually drains.

i think uninstalling TasKiller might actually be better for your battery life than having it installed on your phone. it was either after 2.0, 2.1 or 2.2 that taskillers ended up eating more battery life than they were saving.

hotleadsingerguy said:
Why? lol shouldn't that be obvious?
The difference is actually pretty large. With the 2100mAh battery in there it drains about the same speed as my Galaxy S II (bit slower, actually)...and that's on LTE. Granted, I haven't been using the phone *too* much, but even on Standby LTE eats up the battery fairly quickly.
Like I said, I haven't been using it too much, but I've done enough (downloaded some things, browsed a bit, messaging, facebook, etc...). For awhile it hovered around 58%, then it actually went back up to 60%. I know the phone doesn't have a completely accurate reading, but my battery widget measures voltages to get a % and it's always been dead accurate. As it stands it looks like this thing will have no trouble making it through the day.
Screen on-time is 1:40. Not very much, but not bad considering how much LTE usually drains.
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Well it's not obvious for me because im spending $50 for an extra 13%. That's one of the weakest extended battery jumps I have ever seen. I just can't justify spending $50 to basically get an extra 30 minutes with my phone.
Honestly, I've gotten so tired of such the break through in technology and watch battery technology progress so little in terms of size goes. With the way the phones are progressing, We should have a 3500mah at this size.

DarkKnight62 said:
i think uninstalling TasKiller might actually be better for your battery life than having it installed on your phone. it was either after 2.0, 2.1 or 2.2 that taskillers ended up eating more battery life than they were saving.
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It was dependent on the model if im not mistaken, not so much the platform of android it was on. A lot of phones started coming out with integrated task managers already installed.

You guys know that if you walk into a Verizon corporate store to buy the extended battery, it's 50 percent off, right? Making it 24.99. I purchased mine today. I called my store beforehand to make sure they had stock and made sure they knew about the discount. At first they told me it was only for the extra stock battery with the external charger, but after looking it up, they found it. Even though I didn't have a Verizon account setup at that point (phone is being delivered tomorrow and I'm a new customer), I walked in and got the discount with no issues.

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You guys know that if you walk into a Verizon corporate store to buy the extended battery, it's 50 percent off, right? Making it 24.99. I purchased mine today. I called my store beforehand to make sure they had stock and made sure they knew about the discount. At first they told me it was only for the extra stock battery with the external charger, but after looking it up, they found it. Even though I didn't have a Verizon account setup at that point (phone is being delivered tomorrow and I'm a new customer), I walked in and got the discount with no issues.
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Same here. I didn't even have to ask if it was 50% off. They told me. I think it's $25 well spent.

S4 vs. Note 2 thoughts - Finale

This will be based off the Snap 600 Variant of the S4, Exynos should be the same or perform better.
There are lots of us, who have considered hopping. Many have & many have regretted it while some of us do enjoy the change. Lets ignore the spec battle for a few.
GS4 Pros:
* Easier to Handle
*IR Blaster
*Faster SOC
*Better Camera
*Better LT Support - Due to i9505 roms being compatible with S600 Variants of the device it seems to all be the same until kernel & modem. it means wider support
GS4 Cons:
*Still Laggy on custom Roms/Touchwiz bases
* AOSP would make you lose the features that makes S4 worth it
* 20-30% less battery life then GN2.
GN2 Pros:
*Great battery
*Bigger screen
*Spen features
*more support as of now
GN2 Cons:
* Sometimes can be battle to hold
* PPI
Both devices share a outdoor usage crutch, even on full brightness both are a pain sometimes if in direct sunlight.
Size:
The GN2 Has some more side bezel & is obviously slightly larger due to its .5inch larger display. The S4 takes a more curved approach to the edges which I think looks neater. The S4 Body also feels tighter then the GN2.
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Bezels:
The S4 to me personally has the nicer body. Coming from the N2 you will feel at home with button placement, something some find awkward since they aren't used to it.
Camera:
13MP sounds may fancier then 8MP for sure, especially when the sensor is obviously larger on the S4 which makes the GN2s look dwarfed. But realtime shots?
GN2:
Downfall of GN2s slower shutter speed:
GS4:
Macro Quality:
Battery Life:
Depending on Kernel, Rom & usage Average Screen-time for the GS4 is 2.5- 5.5 Hours. GN2 Is way above this going for 7-9 Hours screen-ontime. You will lose battery an average of 20% faster. idle that left my GN2 at 92% after work put my GS4 at 72% with airplane mode, I had a day I left it alone at 71% and after work with no use my GS4 was 19% battery. I was able to juice that 19% for 1 hour and 40 minutes of use with kik after underclocking to 500mhz... else I would have been stranded with no ride.
Thoughts:
If you just bought a N2, I would stick with it unless your under remorse and think its too big. The S4 is an amazing device but you trade off battery life for an IR blaster, slightly better camera...and no Spen. If you want to switch because "Better specs" is all you see, dont. Touchwiz is lagging the S4 & Even custom roms slightly resolve the issue. Exynos 4 may not perform better in benchmarks but real time is were it currently outshines. The GN2 opens everything faster in tests I conducted even if by fractions of a second.
Another thing you will lose is the note taking abilities of the note & drawing capabilities. Using a Wacom stylus is 100x better then your finger.
There is no way to really say which is better. They are two different beasts and in the end you just have to follow your gut on whats more important within their feature sets. Both devices values WILL degrade the S4 will eventually be cheaply contracted & the NOTE2 will be replaced by the N3 without its contract price really dropping much (299/149 STILL!) so there's no reason to factor pricing anymore as choice, rather features at this point.
Both devices have amazing Rom support, if you are ok with battery life sacrifice for a newer feature set and something that is pocketable, Go GS4. If you want a device that will let your creative juices flow, or something to show off your note taking prowess & also is great as both a phone and tablet replacement and need something that you dont have to worry about battery life, go Note 2 if you are a extreme power user.
Either way you wont be disappointed.
~ Happy GN2 to GS4 user
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If you think I should add more to this, feel free to point out what I missed/can add.

Pros:
Gn2 has by far the most superior battery life ever .
Not to laggy,
Loud speakers
Cons :
Spen was useless to me .
To big to hold by the end of the day.
Really it was made for size , but in the end I believe size was its only downfall as a phone it made a better tablet.
Im sure some didn't mind but I think we all know it grew to become uncomfortable as a phone to carry.
I still owned it 3 times over lol
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Any considering upgrading to v10 for $172 black friday deal?

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Honestly I would do this before the 200gb microSD promotion ends. That 200gb microSD sells for a pretty penny ($200). Honestly I would buy the phone, get the free battery+travel charger+200gb microSD, sell the microSD, and call it a day.
My cousin just got the V10 and its pretty slick. The 2nd screen is awesome for quick shortcuts and favorite apps. However the 2nd screen is LCD and when it is on all the time, at night, it looks kinda sucky. I wish they would have put an AMOLED screen up there so it only powered the actual pixels it needs while the rest can be off. It is pretty cool that it uses the proximity sensor to shut the 2nd screen down when in your pocket and face.
1 problem I see is the proximity sensor kinda sucks at keeping the screen off. And the proximity sensor seems to be off to 1 side. I can see this being a problem when on the phone and your ear constantly launching apps from the second screen.
The second screen would be really cool once development starts up on custom uses for it, but with the way LG is locking their devices down, it will be harder and harder to achieve root and unlocks for custom roms. Fortunately I like the LG software so much that I prefer it over most. But if the 2nd screen gets annoying, you may just have to turn it off and possibly have little to no options for the community to fix/tweak/customize the 2nd screen information.
I think if you have a LG G4... it would be stupid to spend money to move to this phone unless you just want to tinker and swap phones. There is really no benefit and the devices are pretty much the same. I held both in my hand last night and they felt the same. The 2nd screen could really make or break it. I don't really need it, nor want it on all the time (glaring at me at night). I would recommend you do a lot of homework on the functionality of that thing before jumping in (unless swapping phones is a hobby, which is fine).
The V10 seems to be the solid choice if looking to upgrade (from another device) but if you already have a G4... then it isn't worth it IMO.

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Honestly I would do this before the 200gb microSD promotion ends. That 200gb microSD sells for a pretty penny ($200). Honestly I would buy the phone, get the free battery+travel charger+200gb microSD, sell the microSD, and call it a day.
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I think that's already dead, the 200 GB microSD promotion ended on 11/15. So you won't get both, the current rebate and the microSD.
Personally, I consider the V10 more of a side-grade rather than an up-grade. The internals are pretty much the same (save for that 1 GB of extra RAM you probably won't notice). I think Snapdragon 820 next year will give us a reason to upgrade, the V10 doesn't have much that the G4 doesn't have. And it's bigger to boot, the G4 is about as big as I can handle.

konradsa said:
Personally, I consider the V10 more of a side-grade rather than an up-grade. The internals are pretty much the same (save for that 1 GB of extra RAM you probably won't notice). I think Snapdragon 820 next year will give us a reason to upgrade, the V10 doesn't have much that the G4 doesn't have. And it's bigger to boot, the G4 is about as big as I can handle.
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Exynos 9825 very disappointing compared to SD855

When you buy the top notch phone that retails more than $1000 you expect to get the best performance. Not only Samsung didn't equipt the Note 10+ with the new SD885+, the new Global version of the phone comes with the Exynos 9825 that lacks in performance against the old SD855. That's not acceptable. What do you think?

The Exynos wins in single core performance and app launch time, they have comparable battery life and the SD wins in multi threaded workloads and GPU. But if you look at the 9820 vs sd855 anandtech review, the gpu is actually almost on par with the SD version and while the 9825 is very slightly overclocked it shouldnt lose this hard. Looks like an optimization issue to me rather than a raw power one. At the end of the day they perform similar in everyday use, but since more people use sd devices than exynos once they will be more optimized for games and such. Dont worry about it too much imo, yes it sucks that we got a worse version globally but its not a huge deal and definitely not a dealbreaker.

I would of thought more people used the Exynos version considering it's pretty much the entire world, while SD is mainly just north america or are samsung's sales outside America really that bad?

Pretty much to be expected as always.

I guess that optimization will improve the 9825 but not sure if it will make it to the SD855 performance. AFAIK Samsung can't use the Exynos chip in the USA because of patent protections so they using SD's. At least they should sell the Exynos version cheaper...

I Think that it's about time I stop buying an exynos note. It performs way worse than the snapdragon variant 3rd year in a row.
For me it is a deal breaker.
A phone asking 1000+ $ and flagged as flagship must have the latest soc, fact.
But....they wouldn't dare putting 855+ in comparison with the exynos9825 that maybe can compete with the almost 2 years old 845 soc. Really a shame.
No upgrading for me, sticking to my note9 and waiting for a proper flagship with flagship specs, means 855+ soc.

I already bought the Note 10+ Exynos before I knew it was inferior to the SD version. But if the next samsung flagship will not fix this, it will be the last Exynos device I'm buying maybe the last Samsung device altogether.

liamR said:
I already bought the Note 10+ Exynos before I knew it was inferior to the SD version. But if the next samsung flagship will not fix this, it will be the last Exynos device I'm buying maybe the last Samsung device altogether.
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Well, aside from performance, if you are into rooting your device, the SD is pretty much not a choice unless you get the Hong Kong version. AFAIK, the only fully rootable version is the Exynos. I personally, would never consider the locked down version of the SD just based on principle. If I own the device and pay over $1000, I want to be the judge of what I can and can't do to it. It's like buying a Ferrari and being told the insurance company has disabled parts of it and it won't drive more than 60 mph. Weather you actually root or not becomes irrelevant. It's the principle.
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I have no issues with the Exynos, it runs smoothly, performance is perfectly acceptable, yes the 855 might be slightly better in certain areas, but I think its marginal.....

Eudeferrer said:
Well, aside from performance, if you are into rooting your device, the SD is pretty much not a choice unless you get the Hong Kong version. AFAIK, the only fully rootable version is the Exynos. I personally, would never consider the locked down version of the SD just based on principle. If I own the device and pay over $1000, I want to be the judge of what I can and can't do to it. It's like buying a Ferrari and being told the insurance company has disabled parts of it and it won't drive more than 60 mph. Weather you actually root or not becomes irrelevant. It's the principle.
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In my last 3 phones from Samsung I didn't feel the need to root so that not a deal breaker for me. If you pay for Ferrari you don't want to end up with Maserati

Have you seen the battery on exynos version. https://youtu.be/RTezwqJgo5M
7 h and 47 min on gaming and rec 4k 60fp. Beat all competitors flagship without p30 pro Exynos is awesome even if is surpass in performance. Lets be real. Exynos will manage anything we drop at him no matter what.Battery is important. And so far by youre complains on xda compare to exynos sd is a failure.
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Have you seen the battery on exynos version. https://youtu.be/RTezwqJgo5M
7 h and 47 min on gaming and rec 4k 60fp. Beat all competitors flagship without p30 pro Exynos is awesome even if is surpass in performance. Lets be real. Exynos will manage anything we drop at him no matter what.Battery is important. And so far by youre complains on xda compare to exynos sd is a failure.
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I saw this test, but I didn't see the SD version tested. Also I have no problem to sacrifice some battery time for more performance (within reason).

I backup my opinion with my eperience. 1 day with note 10+ exynos version. Litle bit waze, 1h talk, 7 h youtube, 1/2 4g 1/2 wifi, some 3d attemp, heavy usage. Phenomenal battery. Exynos from s10+ and note 10+ is a win.
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S20 FE exynos 990 Overheat

Hello friends. I bought S20 fe exynos 990 and gets very hotting during phone calls. I feel it in my ear. Before that,I was using s9+, it did not have such a problem. Is there anything that can be done to fix this problem?

Dear @Okan94:
Unfortunately, this processor got huge problems with overheating. I've also bought S20 (first realease) a year ago, and after a week i've returned back that, cause its almost "went into flames" in a mostly simple operations. I heard about some Class Action LawSuit WorldWide against this processor, but don't know how this ended.
As an extreme example (?):
It happened during a car driving ( i always use three apps simultanesouly - Google Maps + Music + Yanosik [polish antiradar app] with Vidoe Recording)...that ended really badly = the brilliant(!) "Safe&Secure" built-in chip simply disabled/closed running apps, to reduce the overheats from 70-80C down to around 60C! it happened to me 3 time during couple of car trips, but never before on other Galaxys.
I think this is still a problem with Exynos 990 and apparently Samsung will still be pushing this crap into other devices.
I ended up finally with S20 FE 5G 8/256GB...i'm more than happy now
Good luck Man!

And this is the answer you will get like 100% of the time.
The thing is, when I bought it, it tended to heat and stay that way, since it was constatly running heavy background tasks, especially when you clone old device to new (I consider overheating if it goes above 45* which only does when I play demanding games for hours) or charging on 25w fast charging. The only other time it gets close to 45 is when I expose it directly to sun and outside is easily 28+ degrees (celsius) show me the phone who remains cold on direct sunlight when it's scorching.
The unit will start to heat and etc much less - including prologue battery sustainability as days go by, but what I dont get is how are you people getting 60c ?
For me it never went beyond 45 to begin with, and it stays at stable 27-37 when I use it moderately to extensively - the same thing you get with SD, don't sell empty stories, plus not all of us are willing or can switch back and forth.
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The period when it's at the lowest is when I was using phone just for some social media activity and etc or in idle mode. I actually even went ahead and allowed the threshold to increase for 2 C more before throttling.
The icons here can be confusing but basically Third level (orange unhappy smiley means that it's above 35 and closing to 42-45. And that's by no means hot potato temperature.
Not ideal but also fairly normal. My suggestion is to install thermal apps to identify what exactly is overusing your phone CPU in the background all the time because that's what causing overheating and doze it when you don't need it.

Samsung have stopped production of the S20FE in the Exynos 990 variant.
apparently it will be replaced by a snapdragon 4G version and the existing stock will be sold off cheap.
I'd google that lawsuit and see about trying to get Sammy to swap your phones for something else (if that's at all achievable).
LOTS of unhappy ''Exytoast'' users on reddit r/Samsung Galaxy S20FE

Try a network reset.
Clear system cache.

Okan94 said:
Hello friends. I bought S20 fe exynos 990 and gets very hotting during phone calls. I feel it in my ear. Before that,I was using s9+, it did not have such a problem. Is there anything that can be done to fix this problem?
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It will always have a heating issue, such a bad processor, that's why I spend the extra 100 pounds and got the snapdragon, hasn't overheated once even when playing cod mobile on high settings

I've got the exy version, and two weeks later it was completely replaced by the Snapdragon version in Brazil markets. I've got pissed and called Samsung to switch my Exynos by a snapdragon version. They told me I can send the phone for assistance and evaluation, but before I should try a new FW version they launched - but not in Brazil yet.
SW version endings with BTL1 (mine is CUCC from April). I'll wait for more or less one month. If nothing happens I can send it to Samsung (to a replacement, I hope so)

Samsung is notorious for substituting parts during a production run including smaller chipsets and... heat pipes.
This can and does cause consumer issues. The most common one is firmware updates producing erratic results with the substituted chipsets that didn't recieve that correct instructions
That can be one reason why Samsung asks for the unit; to physically inspect it to see what they used in it as they can't tell otherwise
For a box full of rabid gerbils they do pretty good...

How frustrating....I'll wait some time, and return the unit to them - obviously asking for an snapdragon version
They removed Exynos from market and are selling the SD version CHEAPER ¬¬