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Any updates or improvements in 3D scans? Anyone one using it to generate 3d models?

The 3D scan capability of the N10+ is what intrigued me most about the phone. However, after release, most tests/examples of scans were disappointing. I read that the software was problematic and expected to be improved. Has this happened? Anyone actually using the phone to create exportable 3d files? If not, is improved 3d tech expected in the next version of the phone?

I tried it a bunch of times and could never get it to work. I mostly gave up since then though I did see that at least a couple of updates to the 3D scanner were released since then. I am yet to try this again.

I see so little about this feature. I really hoped there was more info.

CalypsoDroid said:
I see so little about this feature. I really hoped there was more info.
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I've tried it a few times, some of them recently. It still works like garbage. It was a really cool idea but the execution has been totally worthless. I think they found the greenest intern they could find and had them randomly copy/paste code from StackOverflow until a program aaaaaaaallllmost formed. Then the intern went back to college and the company janitor took over development. It's just so completely stupid to put a 3D ToF sensor on the phone then totally bork the software and just never fix it. I suppose I shouldn't expect any less from the idiots who built LinuxOnDex then just suddenly aborted development even though it was working perfectly fine. Samsung is the new Google. Never trust anything either of them start. They're 90% likely to never finish it and just discontinue it suddenly.

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I've tried it a few times, some of them recently. It still works like garbage. It was a really cool idea but the execution has been totally worthless. I think they found the greenest intern they could find and had them randomly copy/paste code from StackOverflow until a program aaaaaaaallllmost formed. Then the intern went back to college and the company janitor took over development. It's just so completely stupid to put a 3D ToF sensor on the phone then totally bork the software and just never fix it. I suppose I shouldn't expect any less from the idiots who built LinuxOnDex then just suddenly aborted development even though it was working perfectly fine. Samsung is the new Google. Never trust anything either of them start. They're 90% likely to never finish it and just discontinue it suddenly.
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There is so much truth in this it's scary. Samsung Cloud was just going through my head as I was reading this. Launched, billed as the next best thing to happen to Android devices, then failed to roll out with any sort of desktop support, followed by failure to support buying more storage in almost all regions followed by scrapping of the whole thing and some quasi-partnership with Microsoft to use OneDrive. I can think of a bunch more features like this that Samsung devised and that never took off. The fact that the ToF sensor is not being utilized for better photography is also baffling to me. Samsung's default implementation of DoF is absolutely horrible.

A couple of days ago there was a new update. This doesn't make it suddenly scan things properly. I tried several things, mostly stuffed animals / dog toys as those are about the right size and don't move. Still works like crap. It does an OK job sometimes but the 3D sensor is very picky. I tried to scan a very large mug that is plastic and some of the pieces were too shiny and hardly showed up. I tried to scan a rubber dog toy and it kind of worked but the process was irritating. I tried to scan a large stuffed animal chicken. It's probably 3 feet tall, plush, and covered in fake fur (why would a chicken be furry? The world may never know). This worked OK, the model is decent. But, it was tough to keep my phone at the proper distance as I moved around it. That's mostly my problem but the app is super brittle. If you move too abruptly or you accidentally point your camera too far away it just immediately aborts. I've got programs for the PC that use a Kinect sensor from the XBOX to do scanning and those work similarly but generally tell you if you're getting off course and allow you to try to move back into position rather than just suddenly aborting the scan.
Forget trying to scan your pets. Animals move far too much. Probably forget trying to scan a person. It's hard for a person to sit perfectly still for long enough and this software isn't very forgiving. Though, scanning either pets or people does allow for some bazaar lovecraftian horrors to emerge. If you want to transform your pet into the Thing then this is the way to do it.
I think the problem is that they've got too large a mission. The app supports all kinds of dumb stuff like animating your 3D model after you capture it, etc. They really needed to focus on actually being able to capture models reliably before implementing all the cutesy garbage on top of it. The sad thing is that, for all the crap I give them about how bad it is, it's actually almost there. It's just right on the cusp of working. I can capture models of stuff. They're just very difficult to get working and when I do I see some aberrations that shouldn't be there. It's close to working and if they'd just hunker down and fix the weirdness in capture it could be great in short order. But, it seems like development on this is very slow and too spread out across all the other needless stuff it can do. It needs to scan stuff reliably and then they can work on the other gee-whiz features.
For your viewing pleasure, I've attached the best model I've gotten captured so far - the fuzzy chicken. It's large, it's in charge, it worked pretty well. Behold, the best the 3D Scanner on a Note 10+ can do. I attached both the model output from the 3d Scanner app and a picture of the base model (with no texturing) from Blender so you can see the smoothness and detail of the model without the texture obscuring it. I suppose it's fairly decent but I wouldn't directly use it to 3D print something.

Collin80 said:
A couple of days ago there was a new update. This doesn't make it suddenly scan things properly. I tried several things, mostly stuffed animals / dog toys as those are about the right size and don't move. Still works like crap. It does an OK job sometimes but the 3D sensor is very picky. I tried to scan a very large mug that is plastic and some of the pieces were too shiny and hardly showed up. I tried to scan a rubber dog toy and it kind of worked but the process was irritating. I tried to scan a large stuffed animal chicken. It's probably 3 feet tall, plush, and covered in fake fur (why would a chicken be furry? The world may never know). This worked OK, the model is decent. But, it was tough to keep my phone at the proper distance as I moved around it. That's mostly my problem but the app is super brittle. If you move too abruptly or you accidentally point your camera too far away it just immediately aborts. I've got programs for the PC that use a Kinect sensor from the XBOX to do scanning and those work similarly but generally tell you if you're getting off course and allow you to try to move back into position rather than just suddenly aborting the scan.
Forget trying to scan your pets. Animals move far too much. Probably forget trying to scan a person. It's hard for a person to sit perfectly still for long enough and this software isn't very forgiving. Though, scanning either pets or people does allow for some bazaar lovecraftian horrors to emerge. If you want to transform your pet into the Thing then this is the way to do it.
I think the problem is that they've got too large a mission. The app supports all kinds of dumb stuff like animating your 3D model after you capture it, etc. They really needed to focus on actually being able to capture models reliably before implementing all the cutesy garbage on top of it. The sad thing is that, for all the crap I give them about how bad it is, it's actually almost there. It's just right on the cusp of working. I can capture models of stuff. They're just very difficult to get working and when I do I see some aberrations that shouldn't be there. It's close to working and if they'd just hunker down and fix the weirdness in capture it could be great in short order. But, it seems like development on this is very slow and too spread out across all the other needless stuff it can do. It needs to scan stuff reliably and then they can work on the other gee-whiz features.
For your viewing pleasure, I've attached the best model I've gotten captured so far - the fuzzy chicken. It's large, it's in charge, it worked pretty well. Behold, the best the 3D Scanner on a Note 10+ can do. I attached both the model output from the 3d Scanner app and a picture of the base model (with no texturing) from Blender so you can see the smoothness and detail of the model without the texture obscuring it. I suppose it's fairly decent but I wouldn't directly use it to 3D print something.
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How did you manage to put it in blender?

I played with it but more a curiosity than a useful tool. It really ate cpu cycles/current like crazy though. I guess if I needed a hand warmer I might use it again

may i know how do you scan a 3d model? been finding the app for some time already but cant find it

conanDO98 said:
may i know how do you scan a 3d model? been finding the app for some time already but cant find it
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Search for "3D Scanner" in the Galaxy Store (not Google Play Store) and download the app.

When is Samsung going to fix auto focus on the s20 Ultra in USA

Anyone have a timeline on when Samsung is going to fix their crap auto focus on the s20 Ultra? I have a 512gb which is out of stock everywhere but I don't want to be stuck with this garbage auto focus as I bought the phone for the camera and it's really bad like fix it or recall it bad. My guess is they will release something after the 15 days and it won't fix it and I will be stuck with garbage but whatever hopefully I get a high value on their fixed phone for trade in.

I too would like to know. However I am keeping mine as I have already traded in my iPhone 11 pro. I am just kinda stuck right now, and am just as frustrated that NO info is available for the snapdragon version. I am also unsure if my unlocked version will get it direct or if I will need to wait for it.

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Anyone have a timeline on when Samsung is going to fix their crap auto focus on the s20 Ultra? I have a 512gb which is out of stock everywhere but I don't want to be stuck with this garbage auto focus as I bought the phone for the camera and it's really bad like fix it or recall it bad. My guess is they will release something after the 15 days and it won't fix it and I will be stuck with garbage but whatever hopefully I get a high value on their fixed phone for trade in.
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Nobody has a crystal ball and return it if your unhappy.

We're just gonna have to wait it out. Samsung is SLOW with their updates.

April update.

I've found a sort of fix . (For me anyway) I noticed when I was doing the hand swipe focus test (moving hand in front of sensor... Then moving when focuses and repeating).. and I noticed it was struggling until the little grey circle turned yellow from the "Shot Suggestion" feature... It looks like the phone is prioritizing getting a "good shot" to focusing... When I turned it off my focus sped up and seems to work instantly 99.5% of the time... Let me know if this works for any of you... Also I didn't read through the post so I don't know if this was posted or not.

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Anyone have a timeline on when Samsung is going to fix their crap auto focus on the s20 Ultra? I have a 512gb which is out of stock everywhere but I don't want to be stuck with this garbage auto focus as I bought the phone for the camera and it's really bad like fix it or recall it bad. My guess is they will release something after the 15 days and it won't fix it and I will be stuck with garbage but whatever hopefully I get a high value on their fixed phone for trade in.
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It can be made better to where it works really well in daytime brightness. But will never be very good in low light. Most likely Manual Focus will be needed for very low light situations. That is because the S20 and s20+ use Dual Pixel Auto Focus (DPAF) and the Ultra uses a Phase Detection Auto Focus (PDAF) which is good for fast auto focusing in bright situations like daytime but terrible in low light.

nique0201 said:
I've found a sort of fix . (For me anyway) I noticed when I was doing the hand swipe focus test (moving hand in front of sensor... Then moving when focuses and repeating).. and I noticed it was struggling until the little grey circle turned yellow from the "Shot Suggestion" feature... It looks like the phone is prioritizing getting a "good shot" to focusing... When I turned it off my focus sped up and seems to work instantly 99.5% of the time... Let me know if this works for any of you... Also I didn't read through the post so I don't know if this was posted or not.
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Shot suggestion was off by default on mine and I disabled scene optimizer as well.

Better question is why aren't the android sites or blogs picking up the auto focus/ camera story? Maybe a little more exposure will hurry Samsung to fix due to bad press.

HigherSensation said:
Better question is why aren't the android sites or blogs picking up the auto focus/ camera story? Maybe a little more exposure will hurry Samsung to fix due to bad press.
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I got Banned for pushing the issue in Samsung community. They obviously don't like the bad press.

Apparently Samsung has released a fix for Exynos variant https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s20-firmware-update-rolling-out-fix-camera-autofocus/

The only early review I saw that mentioned it was MKBHD and by that time my phone was already in transit heading to me.

Am so disappointed with Samsung i always buy the Galaxy/Note phone yearly and am doubtful i will continue.how can Samsung release such a god damn camera this horrible?? I have literally taken 0 good photos with this piece of **** phone. Every god damn photo I take seems like it was take with a phone from 15years ago. Am surprised no one has sued the crap out of them most people have already used up the 15 days return period or traded in an phone for credit and are stuck with this 1.4k piece of crap phone with no concrete info if or when it will be fixed.

nique0201 said:
I've found a sort of fix . (For me anyway) I noticed when I was doing the hand swipe focus test (moving hand in front of sensor... Then moving when focuses and repeating).. and I noticed it was struggling until the little grey circle turned yellow from the "Shot Suggestion" feature... It looks like the phone is prioritizing getting a "good shot" to focusing... When I turned it off my focus sped up and seems to work instantly 99.5% of the time... Let me know if this works for any of you... Also I didn't read through the post so I don't know if this was posted or not.
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Am so disappointed with Samsung i always buy the Galaxy/Note phone yearly and am doubtful i will continue.how can Samsung release such a god damn camera this horrible?? I have literally taken 0 good photos with this piece of **** phone. Every god damn photo I take seems like it was take with a phone from 15years ago. Am surprised no one has sued the crap out of them most people have already used up the 15 days return period or traded in an phone for credit and are stuck with this 1.4k piece of crap phone with no concrete info if or when it will be fixed.
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Tell us how you really feel....Nobody forced you to buy it and why didnt you return it within the 15 days then?

Man, have some patience. This is a minor issue which only affects a small amount of people. Relax.

There is going to be an update in the next few days. https://www.androidcentral.com/late...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

Commies said:
Man, have some patience. This is a minor issue which only affects a small amount of people. Relax.
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Seems to me it's pretty much across the board, not just on a small amount of people.
I cancelled an Ultra 512GB due to the many problems discussed in multiple places about the phone. If they ever fix it, I'll reconsider a purchase; but it has to be fixed first.
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There is going to be an update in the next few days. https://www.androidcentral.com/late...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
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But not yet for the Qualcomm phones.

DUTCH Van Atlanta said:
Seems to me it's pretty much across the board, not just on a small amount of people.
I cancelled an Ultra 512GB due to the many problems discussed in multiple places about the phone. If they ever fix it, I'll reconsider a purchase; but it has to be fixed first.
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But not yet for the Qualcomm phones.
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It's not across the board. Not a single person I know (including myself) who bought the phone is having the issues. Just a select few online.

nique0201 said:
I've found a sort of fix . (For me anyway) I noticed when I was doing the hand swipe focus test (moving hand in front of sensor... Then moving when focuses and repeating).. and I noticed it was struggling until the little grey circle turned yellow from the "Shot Suggestion" feature... It looks like the phone is prioritizing getting a "good shot" to focusing... When I turned it off my focus sped up and seems to work instantly 99.5% of the time... Let me know if this works for any of you... Also I didn't read through the post so I don't know if this was posted or not.
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Am so disappointed with Samsung i always buy the Galaxy/Note phone yearly and am doubtful i will continue.how can Samsung release such a god damn camera this horrible?? I have literally taken 0 good photos with this piece of **** phone. Every god damn photo I take seems like it was take with a phone from 15years ago. Am surprised no one has sued the crap out of them most people have already used up the 15 days return period or traded in an phone for credit and are stuck with this 1.4k piece of crap phone with no concrete info if or when it will be fixed.
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Commies said:
It's not across the board. Not a single person I know (including myself) who bought the phone is having the issues. Just a select few online.
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Thta's not accurate, the auto-focus is unusable on anything close.

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Thta's not accurate, the auto-focus is unusable on anything close.
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Maybe for you. It's fine for me and everyone I know with Snapdragon. My point isn't that it's not happening. It's that it's not happening to the majority of people and even if it was, it's not something that would be considered high priority.

General Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 faulty

I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.

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I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.
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You didn't turn the sensor off in developer options did you? This will make the big screen unresponsive and stay off when you open it

neilfer said:
I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.
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Did you try a factory data reset?

​lawtq​
I have never been in the developer options so it cant be that.
Mr. Orange 645​
A factory data reset didnt fix the problem.

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​lawtq​
I have never been in the developer options so it cant be that.
Mr. Orange 645​
A factory data reset didnt fix the problem.
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Damn. Sounds like a real hardware problem. Hope the new one is flawless

A mates fold was shipped without download mode - really odd fault

Meh, the fail is strong with Samsung this year.
At least hold off a bit if you want this phone; let others take the ride before you decide.
Latter production runs might also have issues fixed by then.
Issues with the S21U are also cropping up.

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Damn. Sounds like a real hardware problem. Hope the new one is flawless
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I won’t be getting another Fold 3. if the display fails in under 2 weeks there’s a good chance it could happen again.

neilfer said:
I won’t be getting another Fold 3. if the display fails in under 2 weeks there’s a good chance it could happen again.
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LMFAO. You act like every phone has this issue. Sounds like you just don't really want it.

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LMFAO. You act like every phone has this issue. Sounds like you just don't really want it.
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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.

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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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I think the probability of getting two Folds in a row with defective screens is very low. You'll be fine.

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I think the probability of getting two Folds in a row with defective screens is very low. You'll be fine.
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Maybe not. Samsung's been imploding across the board this year. With their apps and multiple device hardware failures. No joke. Multiple threads on XDA of issues and phone returns.
Just had a Wearables update puke all over me last night. It has defied a solution so far and the Buds+ only work right on phone calls.
Never saw that before.
Samsung's Good Lock app homepage graphics look horrible now too with little critters jumping around.
The Fail is strong with Samsung... now.

neilfer said:
That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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If you really want it, then do the warranty exchange and get a new one. No product line is 100% perfect. There will always be defective units. But that doesn't mean every single device will fail within two weeks. That's the most asinine thing I've heard all day.

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If you really want it, then do the warranty exchange and get a new one. No product line is 100% perfect. There will always be defective units. But that doesn't mean every single device will fail within two weeks. That's the most asinine thing I've heard all day.
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The best possible failure scenario is that a device does it within its return window.
So the OP was lucky in that respect.
I be pi$$ed too for all that trouble.
Meh... once bitten, twice shy.

If you preordered, Samsung included Care+ for 1 year for free. Not sure if this is offered outside of the US. It's really a great device kind of a game changer for me.

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Maybe not. Samsung's been imploding across the board this year. With their apps and multiple device hardware failures. No joke. Multiple threads on XDA of issues and phone returns.
Just had a Wearables update puke all over me last night. It has defied a solution so far and the Buds+ only work right on phone calls.
Never saw that before.
Samsung's Good Lock app homepage graphics look horrible now too with little critters jumping around.
The Fail is strong with Samsung... now.
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Samsung isn't imploding. Realize that they sell tens of millions of devices and a small minority of people who purchase their products are here complaining about things on XDA. There is no widespread news coverage of Samsung making faulty devices, well, not since the Note 7. Your post is an exaggeration.

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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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What he is trying to say is everyone phone ever released had failures in the 1st few weeks. Its not abnormal and why they have a warranty.

Semantics said:
Samsung isn't imploding. Realize that they sell tens of millions of devices and a small minority of people who purchase their products are here complaining about things on XDA. There is no widespread news coverage of Samsung making faulty devices, well, not since the Note 7. Your post is an exaggeration.
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Time will tell
Just order my second new 10+.
I don't share your optimism or wuv of storage deficient devices.
My first 10+ still looks, runs like it's new, fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission with 1tb of storage, soon to be expanded to 1.5tb.
I rejected the Note 20U because of poorer run time, Adroid 10, poorer color rendering and unreasonable price. Not enough bang for the buck.
So imagine what I think about every release from Samsung since then... and I'm not near as kind as you.
2021 is already a dead year for Sammy

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I won’t be getting another Fold 3. if the display fails in under 2 weeks there’s a good chance it could happen again.
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That's a good choice... Look for golden reviewer on YouTube and you'll see that this phone while it has Snapdragon 888 performs even worse than 855/865 phones lmao.
It throttles so hard that on games that other phones run at 90fps+ it scores 30 FPS sustained with dips below 10 FPS lmao ( pubg and genshin )
It's a shet performer, buy yourself a better device

Rstment ^m^ said:
That's a good choice... Look for golden reviewer on YouTube and you'll see that this phone while it has Snapdragon 888 performs even worse than 855/865 phones lmao.
It throttles so hard that on games that other phones run at 90fps+ it scores 30 FPS sustained with dips below 10 FPS lmao ( pubg and genshin )
It's a shet performer, buy yourself a better device
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There's literally a setting to make it run at max capability. From factory it doesn't run at max. You just flip the setting and it will run at max. They did it to preserve battery. Because realistically only games will utilize the entire power of an 888.
Phone cpus are progressing faster than use case. Oneplus just got in a debacle about this, mainly because they did it without giving you the ability to stop the throttling.

Question Anyone else have Green Bar down their dispaly?

I was a work with my phone on my desk and when I went to pick it up there a green bar down the right side of the screen. this phone is only 1 week old. i cropped the picture due to not wanting to have faces on the internet lol, but its the whole side.

Looks like the display is broken. Those kinds of lines appear when there's a fault.

That definitely looks like your display has gone bye-bye. I mean you could always try a factory reset, but I highly doubt it will help in any way.
Might be hardware fault, might be drop damage, or something else.
In any case, you need a replacement.

Morgrain said:
That definitely looks like your display has gone bye-bye. I mean you could always try a factory reset, but I highly doubt it will help in any way.
Might be hardware fault, might be drop damage, or something else.
In any case, you need a replacement.
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I contacted the google insurance company and they are sending me a new one.

speakeasy2 said:
I contacted the google insurance company and they are sending me a new one.
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That's good to hear. Nice that it worked out so quickly for you.
I am a bit surprised. Usually Googles support is mediocre and a joke, but I have not yet a single story about the P6 support that was terrible.

Morgrain said:
That's good to hear. Nice that it worked out so quickly for you.
I am a bit surprised. Usually Googles support is mediocre and a joke, but I have not yet a single story about the P6 support that was terrible.
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Im guessing since this is a company they contract with it may be a little easier. my first 6pro slipped while putting a case on it and it cracked. so this a replacement for that one. i didn't have to go through google for this process. they do have lackluster customer service.

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I contacted the google insurance company and they are sending me a new one.
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If the 2nd one's a dud get a full refund... if purchased with a MC or Visa inform the bank of the issue... document.

blackhawk said:
If the 2nd one's a dud get a full refund... if purchased with a MC or Visa inform the bank of the issue... document.
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wil do. thank you

make sure it is not a refurbished phone too

The green line thing seems to be a "common" defect on OLED screens. I've seen posts of it happened to Samsung, OnePlus, Apple, and Google devices. It's reported to be an electrical fault so I'd definitely get it replaced.

Guyinlaca said:
The green line thing seems to be a "common" defect on OLED screens. I've seen posts of it happened to Samsung, OnePlus, Apple, and Google devices. It's reported to be an electrical fault so I'd definitely get it replaced.
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There are more problems with the variable frequency refresh rate displays in general.
Color rendering/calibration suffers as well. This model though just seems to have display issues a plenty.
Yours was a defective unit that never should've passed QC. WTF?
I recently went with a second new N10+ because the issues with the variable rate displays; poor color rendering is very noticeable to me and for other reasons. Both displays are dead on perfect.
After 2 years of heavy usage I can find no signs of screen degradation on the oldest one. These are solid work horses that look and run great.
The newest isn't necessarily the best candidate...

blackhawk said:
There are more problems with the variable frequency refresh rate displays in general.
Color rendering/calibration suffers as well. This model though just seems to have display issues a plenty.
Yours was a defective unit that never should've passed QC. WTF?
I recently went with a second new N10+ because the issues with the variable rate displays; poor color rendering is very noticeable to me and for other reasons. Both displays are dead on perfect.
After 2 years of heavy usage I can find no signs of screen degradation on the oldest one. These are solid work horses that look and run great.
The newest isn't necessarily the best candidate...
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I def understand that. just though they would have figured alot of the kinks out. I am using my oneplus 9 pro until they figure it out. having to argue with them that 1:30pm is before 2:30pm...ugh

speakeasy2 said:
I def understand that. just though they would have figured alot of the kinks out. I am using my oneplus 9 pro until they figure it out. having to argue with them that 1:30pm is before 2:30pm...ugh
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Get a refund and chill until something good comes along.
The only manufacturer I really hawk is Samsung and this year has been a disaster. It seems it's across the board with most of the manufacturers and not just the displays.
Trying to integrate a functional UI for Android 10, and especially 11 and 12 hasn't helped one bit. Even Google struggles with the mess they engineered.
Lol, how deep will this rabbit hole go?
Developers are estimating 2-3 years to straighten out scoped storage alone. Variable refresh rate has turned into a color calibration* nightmare. Add the mess of 5G implementation* to that mix. Issues aren't isolated but common on all the newer devices it seems. 2021 has sucked for Android, I think 2022 will be just as bad.
My confidence level isn't high... this fubar won't be cleaned up soon.
*Google Android should've put their energy and resources into properly implementing these critical features instead of scoped storage as even Android 9 is secure if used properly.

blackhawk said:
Get a refund and chill until something good comes along.
The only manufacturer I really hawk is Samsung and this year has been a disaster. It seems it's across the board with most of the manufacturers and not just the displays.
Trying to integrate a functional UI for Android 10, and especially 11 and 12 hasn't helped one bit. Even Google struggles with the mess they engineered.
Lol, how deep will this rabbit hole go?
Developers are estimating 2-3 years to straighten out scoped storage alone. Variable refresh rate has turned into a color calibration* nightmare. Add the mess of 5G implementation* to that mix. Issues aren't isolated but common on all the newer devices it seems. 2021 has sucked for Android, I think 2022 will be just as bad.
My confidence level isn't high... this fubar won't be cleaned up soon.
*Google Android should've put their energy and resources into properly implementing these critical features instead of scoped storage as even Android 9 is secure if used properly.
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I know who your allegiance is with now. My Pixel so far has been rock solid,as was my V40 and 60 before it.

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
I know who your allegiance is with now. My Pixel so far has been rock solid,as was my V40 and 60 before it.
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I use whatever comes in handy... and looks/works well.
The Pixel UI is barren and dysfunction in my opinion. This what a stock N10+ UI homepage can look like.
I'm glad you're having a good experience...

Question Google sucks !!

So coming from a Pixel 3xl and then the Pixel xl and then before that the Nexus 6 and then before that every moto phone all the way down to the og droid. Where does Google get off sending out a phone to the public that doesn't work. I've had this piece of junk now for 2 weeks and it is garbage. 1st thing right out of the gates the fingerprint scanner doesn't work but may maybe 1 in 5 trys. Why would they move it to the front. Who decided that was better. Cause it isn't. The fingerprint scanner sensors whatever they are on my previous two pixels worked fine once in awhile they didn't work they just worked this one just doesn't work. It's the most basic form of the phone it's the first thing you do when you turn the phone on. It's the first thing you do when you pick up the phone and to open it with your finger you would think that they would at the very least have that part right. Then 5G I don't know about where you are I live in Southern California, Ventura county which is just North of Los Angeles county. In every instance that I've used 5G to have 5G on my phone and I'm trying to do something on internet it is slower than 3G it's like we've taken two steps back. I have to wonder if it's like this for everybody I mean all the phones all the manufacturers I got a feeling this 5G wasn't ready yet and they just pushed it out anyway cuz they had to have the next good best thing but then work though it doesn't work. Why would Google push out a phone that just didn't work I thought the whole point of the pixel experience was that everything just worked. It didn't have to have the best specs they didn't have to have the greatest screen or the most memory. But they worked well without all those specs and screens. They worked and worked well cause they were well put together on proven hardware. Then Google brought in their software unmolested. Completely vanilla and the phone's working they worked better than the other phones that had all those high specs and lots of memories high refresh rate screens. The original Pixel XL and the Pixel 3XL they worked ? I'm starting to think that that was in spite of Google. Whoever ran their phone department put one past the bosses there and sent out some phones that just actually worked. My brand new Pro pixel 6 it doesn't work and I'm writing this on my pixel 3 xl you know why ? Cuz I'm done with it. After 2 weeks I put it in the drawer I'm done with it and it will stay there until there is some kind of major update they going to fix everything. I want nothing to do with that piece of junk. But here's the deal there's nothing else out there unless you want Samsung and I dont. I've had a plastic Samsung before I was not impressed I sent that back after about 2 weeks as well. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place what happened to the good old days of Motorola and HTC when the phone companies were competing against each other to actually put out good product and we'd have root for these phones before even they came out. Before they even hit the streets. What happened to the good old days when they had cheesecake..I had the bionic I don't know if you guys remember the whole story with the bionic but we had we had cheesecake for it for over a year before before they finally released what 4.0 or something like that. But I think they skipped ice cream and went straight to jelly bean ( os's ) because Verizon couldn't pull their heads out of their butt in and approve the final version of the os...but Motorola was writing a new one every day and since we had cheesecake and we would take it every single night we would have a new rom just about every morning. We were overclocking our phones.. they were cracked flashing ROMs. These phones were fun I miss those days of samurai and living chaos all those guys there's a different form once you guys probably don't even know about I probably shouldn't say the name of here but it was we had them we had a thread it was probably the busiest thread on all the internet in regards to phones and it was pretty much run by a guy named samurai and he had designed some tool ( House of bionic ? ) to help you root your phone and put these new ROMs in it. Anyways the thread went sideways after a while to say the least but drama was fun and it was over these phones we all lived for these phones now it is these phones are Just junk they don't even work anymore and no one cares no one cares they justice deal with it to do a work around where to work around barely work too I'm not going to do a workaround anything either. The fingerprint scanner should just work and it doesn't.. It's so frustrating. Why did Google even send this phone out to the wild...is ridiculous they should have had the fingerprint scanner running first thing. That should have been the first priority but it's not and then they send it out to the wild with a broken feature like that ? Just seems to me like they're cutting their own throat by doing that back in the day Google would have cared today they don't care. Just get it out there start selling it make money lie to the people. . It's a crying shame what this whole community has turned into and not I'm not speaking about us I'm speaking about the equipment they're forcing us to use. We choices do we have anymore we really don't whatever happens to that phone Google is going to make where you can buy your bits and pieces and put together yourself whatever happened to that that was a good idea. It was probably too good of an idea.. but doing that that way they probably would not make amy money. The bits of pieces we provide will probably be too good in the last forever .I'm going to rant again. I'm going to stop sorry guys. Just just how I feel about things now. I'm just so very very disappointed in this phone to say the very least very disappointed..

tombaldwin6 said:
So coming from a Pixel 3xl and then the Pixel xl and then before that the Nexus 6 and then before that every moto phone all the way down to the og droid. Where does Google get off sending out a phone to the public that doesn't work. I've had this piece of junk now for 2 weeks and it is garbage. 1st thing right out of the gates the fingerprint scanner doesn't work but may maybe 1 in 5 trys. Why would they move it to the front. Who decided that was better. Cause it isn't. The fingerprint scanner sensors whatever they are on my previous two pixels worked fine once in awhile they didn't work they just worked this one just doesn't work. It's the most basic form of the phone it's the first thing you do when you turn the phone on. It's the first thing you do when you pick up the phone and to open it with your finger you would think that they would at the very least have that part right. Then 5G I don't know about where you are I live in Southern California, Ventura county which is just North of Los Angeles county. In every instance that I've used 5G to have 5G on my phone and I'm trying to do something on internet it is slower than 3G it's like we've taken two steps back. I have to wonder if it's like this for everybody I mean all the phones all the manufacturers I got a feeling this 5G wasn't ready yet and they just pushed it out anyway cuz they had to have the next good best thing but then work though it doesn't work. Why would Google push out a phone that just didn't work I thought the whole point of the pixel experience was that everything just worked. It didn't have to have the best specs they didn't have to have the greatest screen or the most memory. But they worked well without all those specs and screens. They worked and worked well cause they were well put together on proven hardware. Then Google brought in their software unmolested. Completely vanilla and the phone's working they worked better than the other phones that had all those high specs and lots of memories high refresh rate screens. The original Pixel XL and the Pixel 3XL they worked ? I'm starting to think that that was in spite of Google. Whoever ran their phone department put one past the bosses there and sent out some phones that just actually worked. My brand new Pro pixel 6 it doesn't work and I'm writing this on my pixel 3 xl you know why ? Cuz I'm done with it. After 2 weeks I put it in the drawer I'm done with it and it will stay there until there is some kind of major update they going to fix everything. I want nothing to do with that piece of junk. But here's the deal there's nothing else out there unless you want Samsung and I dont. I've had a plastic Samsung before I was not impressed I sent that back after about 2 weeks as well. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place what happened to the good old days of Motorola and HTC when the phone companies were competing against each other to actually put out good product and we'd have root for these phones before even they came out. Before they even hit the streets. What happened to the good old days when they had cheesecake..I had the bionic I don't know if you guys remember the whole story with the bionic but we had we had cheesecake for it for over a year before before they finally released what 4.0 or something like that. But I think they skipped ice cream and went straight to jelly bean ( os's ) because Verizon couldn't pull their heads out of their butt in and approve the final version of the os...but Motorola was writing a new one every day and since we had cheesecake and we would take it every single night we would have a new rom just about every morning. We were overclocking our phones.. they were cracked flashing ROMs. These phones were fun I miss those days of samurai and living chaos all those guys there's a different form once you guys probably don't even know about I probably shouldn't say the name of here but it was we had them we had a thread it was probably the busiest thread on all the internet in regards to phones and it was pretty much run by a guy named samurai and he had designed some tool ( House of bionic ? ) to help you root your phone and put these new ROMs in it. Anyways the thread went sideways after a while to say the least but drama was fun and it was over these phones we all lived for these phones now it is these phones are Just junk they don't even work anymore and no one cares no one cares they justice deal with it to do a work around where to work around barely work too I'm not going to do a workaround anything either. The fingerprint scanner should just work and it doesn't.. It's so frustrating. Why did Google even send this phone out to the wild...is ridiculous they should have had the fingerprint scanner running first thing. That should have been the first priority but it's not and then they send it out to the wild with a broken feature like that ? Just seems to me like they're cutting their own throat by doing that back in the day Google would have cared today they don't care. Just get it out there start selling it make money lie to the people. . It's a crying shame what this whole community has turned into and not I'm not speaking about us I'm speaking about the equipment they're forcing us to use. We choices do we have anymore we really don't whatever happens to that phone Google is going to make where you can buy your bits and pieces and put together yourself whatever happened to that that was a good idea. It was probably too good of an idea.. but doing that that way they probably would not make amy money. The bits of pieces we provide will probably be too good in the last forever .I'm going to rant again. I'm going to stop sorry guys. Just just how I feel about things now. I'm just so very very disappointed in this phone to say the very least very disappointed..
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I've had my pixel 6 Pro since launch!! And yes I do agree with the finger print scanner. Had my share of disappoints with it but update after update it just get better... I'm on custom ROM my preference.. it's actually closer to stock with minimal tweaks added.. Also note I've had all the pixel including the nexus line and by far this is the best pixel I've used... And the 5 g problems none here I live in Canada Telus network.. everyone has their gripe!! Best thing just return it

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Bro... Samurai? You talking the Droidrzr forum that I WAS A PART OF? Dude...that was like 10 years ago...let it die...the thing is they were INNOVATIVE back then, they were creating new things that have never been tried before, and pumping out things that "could" work. We are now at the point where we just want a good screen, long lasting battery and a great camera. All of which the Pixel 6 Pro do NOT do
As the owner of the pixel 6 pro, from a LAUNCH DAY T-Mobile oneplus 6T, I am not going to lie. The 6T was faster after 3 years. I just couldn't stand the camera anymore. But my SERVICE on that phone was great. And the battery life I would squeeze 10+ hours SOT like I do basically every phone that I have anymore.
For overclocking, you realize we're pushing over 2GHZ right? Overclockimg back theb was taking an 800mhz chip and pushing it to 1Ghz. That was MONUMENTAL for such a small chip back then. But you need to google a few things before you rage over some abilities. The CPUS back then were 45+nm small!!. That's effing TINY compared to a human hair of 80,000nm! But we are at 5nm in THIS phone. That's 9 times smaller. There's only so much heat you can push through a chip, but we're also running wayyyy more complex screens, GPU's, GPS, bluetooth, everything. It's all done on one tiny chip. So there's going to be some give and take.
As for the fingerprint scanner, you gotta put the same finger in the phone at least twice and move it around, slight movements alllll around the finger and you will have a perfect scanner. Mine only fails if it is laying on the table and I try to unlock it without picking it up. But in hand? Every. Time. It works. Also? Wash your hands.
And for 5G? Fam...I get wicked stupid fast speed...the problem is if you are in an area that is congested...which it totally sounds like you are, your speeds are going to be horrific. Terrible radio aside, this is just the gamble you're in and you're losing. I recommend just switching it to 4G anyways since battery life increases by a literal hour or two just by that move andddd 4G travels further.
And did you mean "Cupcake"? Wth is cheesecake? I have been with android since Froyo, and don't remember cheesecake I could be wrong.
But my thing is reality vs. expectations piss even ME off at times, and usually it's like,"Okay...my bad...I figured for $1200 this phone would be great."
My biggest disappointment? The 50MP sensor. It's just 12mp. Just like everyyyyy other pixel. My 3a XL takes better pictures than the 6 pro. Fight me. It does. But I gave it to my mom. Are the 6 pro pictures bad? Not really. But it's not as capable as they touted it to be. And considering MY PHONE overheats anytime I try to use it really blows. But because my phone decided to crack itself in the heat one day google wants me to pay for the screen to fix their hardware BS which I refuse for the 4th time.
And Samsungs are not plastic anymore my dude...you need to get in your time machine...my girlfriend's S21 Ultra is wayyyyyy more premium feeling compared to my 6 Pro hand in hand. A better phone all around. It is faster, charges faster, takes better pictures, wayyy better video, last longer SOT, doesn't EVER get hot, charges STUPID. QUICK. He phone was at 20% and she has it capped st 85 for longevity but we started using the "fast charge" with my Easeus 100 watt cables and charger? Bro...her phone charges in 20 minutes. If that. We were BLOWN. AWAY. and it DOES NOT GET HOT. So I recommend trying then again and not letting past experiences from 7+ years ago fool you...
But yes, you're correct in some ways, they went backwards with "quality of feel" but you did get what you paid for...a phone that is overpowered with a slightly underpowered chip. But without proper thermal handover, an "overclock" would just throttle and ruin the experience more...
Sorry fam.

Oh yeah, the old Bionic days...that phone was a little tank! And then you get a forum like droidrzr where the devs and owners were all easily accessible and incredibly helpful and yeah we had a lot of fun there. The landscape has changed a lot since then (like Gytole said), and imho I think the rom scene took the worst hit when Google shut down G+. G+ was the one stop shop for roms and their devs, and when they shut G+ down everyone just kind of scattered like ants on a destroyed anthill although most of them came here. But yeah, although I am disappointed with my P6P I won't rage about how things have gotten worse because, hey, at least Google hasn't gone the Apple route and completely locked down their phones and ecosystem (yet lol) and they still do offer AOSP and we still have awesome devs around who are willing to use their time to give us our custom rom fix.

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My fingerprint scanner is about 98% accurate these days, it is very rare for it not to unlock my Pixel 6 Pro on the first attempt. that said i'd still prefer a capacitive on in the rear.

tombaldwin6 said:
So coming from a Pixel 3xl and then the Pixel xl and then before that the Nexus 6 and then before that every moto phone all the way down to the og droid. Where does Google get off sending out a phone to the public that doesn't work. I've had this piece of junk now for 2 weeks and it is garbage.
1st thing right out of the gates the fingerprint scanner doesn't work but may maybe 1 in 5 trys. Why would they move it to the front. Who decided that was better. Cause it isn't. The fingerprint scanner sensors whatever they are on my previous two pixels worked fine once in awhile they didn't work they just worked this one just doesn't work. It's the most basic form of the phone it's the first thing you do when you turn the phone on. It's the first thing you do when you pick up the phone and to open it with your finger you would think that they would at the very least have that part right.
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Funny you say that. It takes 1-5 times for the Fingerprint scanner to unlock the phone, but put it in you cargo pants pocket and it will open half your apps, turn Bluetooth off, DND on, and call 3 different people on your contacts list
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Then 5G I don't know about where you are I live in Southern California, Ventura county which is just North of Los Angeles county. In every instance that I've used 5G to have 5G on my phone and I'm trying to do something on internet it is slower than 3G it's like we've taken two steps back. I have to wonder if it's like this for everybody I mean all the phones all the manufacturers I got a feeling this 5G wasn't ready yet and they just pushed it out anyway cuz they had to have the next good best thing but then work though it doesn't work.
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5G is probably the carrier. You said VZW?? I had VZW, but the 5G was crap as well as the insane billing. I have T-Mobile and my 5G is fast but yeah, the radios in the P6 have been criticized from Day 1
tombaldwin6 said:
Why would Google push out a phone that just didn't work I thought the whole point of the pixel experience was that everything just worked. It didn't have to have the best specs they didn't have to have the greatest screen or the most memory. But they worked well without all those specs and screens. They worked and worked well cause they were well put together on proven hardware. Then Google brought in their software unmolested. Completely vanilla and the phone's working they worked better than the other phones that had all those high specs and lots of memories high refresh rate screens. The original Pixel XL and the Pixel 3XL they worked ? I'm starting to think that that was in spite of Google. Whoever ran their phone department put one past the bosses there and sent out some phones that just actually worked. My brand new Pro pixel 6 it doesn't work and I'm writing this on my pixel 3 xl you know why ? Cuz I'm done with it.
After 2 weeks I put it in the drawer I'm done with it and it will stay there until there is some kind of major update they going to fix everything. I want nothing to do with that piece of junk. But here's the deal there's nothing else out there unless you want Samsung and I dont. I've had a plastic Samsung before I was not impressed I sent that back after about 2 weeks as well. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place what happened to the good old days of Motorola and HTC when the phone companies were competing against each other to actually put out good product and we'd have root for these phones before even they came out. Before they even hit the streets.
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I miss HTC!
tombaldwin6 said:
What happened to the good old days when they had cheesecake..I had the bionic I don't know if you guys remember the whole story with the bionic but we had we had cheesecake for it for over a year before before they finally released what 4.0 or something like that. But I think they skipped ice cream and went straight to jelly bean ( os's ) because Verizon couldn't pull their heads out of their butt in and approve the final version of the os...but Motorola was writing a new one every day and since we had cheesecake and we would take it every single night we would have a new rom just about every morning. We were overclocking our phones.. they were cracked flashing ROMs.
These phones were fun I miss those days of samurai and living chaos all those guys there's a different form once you guys probably don't even know about I probably shouldn't say the name of here but it was we had them we had a thread it was probably the busiest thread on all the internet in regards to phones and it was pretty much run by a guy named samurai and he had designed some tool ( House of bionic ? ) to help you root your phone and put these new ROMs in it. Anyways the thread went sideways after a while to say the least but drama was fun and it was over these phones we all lived for.
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For me, it was SDX-Developers and guys like Joey Krim who were the masterminds of early Android development, when everything was open source and amateur development was encouraged.
tombaldwin6 said:
These phones now it is these phones are Just junk they don't even work anymore and no one cares no one cares they justice deal with it to do a work around where to work around barely work too I'm not going to do a workaround anything either.
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Umm English???
tombaldwin6 said:
The fingerprint scanner should just work and it doesn't.. It's so frustrating. Why did Google even send this phone out to the wild...is ridiculous they should have had the fingerprint scanner running first thing. That should have been the first priority but it's not and then they send it out to the wild with a broken feature like that ? Just seems to me like they're cutting their own throat by doing that.
Back in the day Google would have cared today they don't care. Just get it out there start selling it make money, lie to the people. . It's a crying shame what this whole community has turned into and not I'm not speaking about us I'm speaking about the equipment they're forcing us to use.
We choices do we have anymore we really don't whatever happens to that phone Google is going to make where you can buy your bits and pieces and put together yourself whatever happened to that that was a good idea. It was probably too good of an idea.. but doing that that way they probably would not make amy money. The bits of pieces we provide will probably be too good in the last forever .I'm going to rant again. I'm going to stop sorry guys. Just just how I feel about things now. I'm just so very very disappointed in this phone to say the very least very disappointed..
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Did you notice the cool thing I did to your post?? They're called line breaks, It makes it easier to read without your eyes wanting to start bleeding

Man, I can't read that poop. Ever heard of paragraphs?
Want your phone to work well? Ditch the factory OS builds and install graphene.
Set it to enable fingerprint security, but NOT fingerprint UNLOCK.
You should never use biometric unlock because it isn't knowledge based and therefore not protected by your right aginst self incrimination.

Holy wall of text Batman!

Fingerprint sensor was slow on mine, but the first update I got in April, corrected that.

I totally agreed with your answer. My Problem is Solved
Have a nice day to all

HipKat said:
Funny you say that. It takes 1-5 times for the Fingerprint scanner to unlock the phone, but put it in you cargo pants pocket and it will open half your apps, turn Bluetooth off, DND on, and call 3 different people on your contacts list
5G is probably the carrier. You said VZW?? I had VZW, but the 5G was crap as well as the insane billing. I have T-Mobile and my 5G is fast but yeah, the radios in the P6 have been criticized from Day 1
I miss HTC!
For me, it was SDX-Developers and guys like Joey Krim who were the masterminds of early Android development, when everything was open source and amateur development was encouraged.
Umm English???
Did you notice the cool thing I did to your post?? They're called line breaks, It makes it easier to read without your eyes wanting to start bleeding
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You're right, I needed to put brakes in there absolutely right? I was on a tirad. I was on a rant. I'm sorry I was so frustrated with that stupid phone. But thanks all your all your points are well taken..

tombaldwin6 said:
You're right, I needed to put brakes in there absolutely right? I was on a tirad. I was on a rant. I'm sorry I was so frustrated with that stupid phone. But thanks all your all your points are well taken..
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It’s all good man, I could feel the rant when I was reading it. I was like, this dude is voice to texting with furious anger right now lol

tombaldwin6 said:
So coming from a Pixel 3xl and then the Pixel xl and then before that the Nexus 6 and then before that every moto phone all the way down to the og droid. Where does Google get off sending out a phone to the public that doesn't work. I've had this piece of junk now for 2 weeks and it is garbage. 1st thing right out of the gates the fingerprint scanner doesn't work but may maybe 1 in 5 trys. Why would they move it to the front. Who decided that was better. Cause it isn't. The fingerprint scanner sensors whatever they are on my previous two pixels worked fine once in awhile they didn't work they just worked this one just doesn't work. It's the most basic form of the phone it's the first thing you do when you turn the phone on. It's the first thing you do when you pick up the phone and to open it with your finger you would think that they would at the very least have that part right. Then 5G I don't know about where you are I live in Southern California, Ventura county which is just North of Los Angeles county. In every instance that I've used 5G to have 5G on my phone and I'm trying to do something on internet it is slower than 3G it's like we've taken two steps back. I have to wonder if it's like this for everybody I mean all the phones all the manufacturers I got a feeling this 5G wasn't ready yet and they just pushed it out anyway cuz they had to have the next good best thing but then work though it doesn't work. Why would Google push out a phone that just didn't work I thought the whole point of the pixel experience was that everything just worked. It didn't have to have the best specs they didn't have to have the greatest screen or the most memory. But they worked well without all those specs and screens. They worked and worked well cause they were well put together on proven hardware. Then Google brought in their software unmolested. Completely vanilla and the phone's working they worked better than the other phones that had all those high specs and lots of memories high refresh rate screens. The original Pixel XL and the Pixel 3XL they worked ? I'm starting to think that that was in spite of Google. Whoever ran their phone department put one past the bosses there and sent out some phones that just actually worked. My brand new Pro pixel 6 it doesn't work and I'm writing this on my pixel 3 xl you know why ? Cuz I'm done with it. After 2 weeks I put it in the drawer I'm done with it and it will stay there until there is some kind of major update they going to fix everything. I want nothing to do with that piece of junk. But here's the deal there's nothing else out there unless you want Samsung and I dont. I've had a plastic Samsung before I was not impressed I sent that back after about 2 weeks as well. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place what happened to the good old days of Motorola and HTC when the phone companies were competing against each other to actually put out good product and we'd have root for these phones before even they came out. Before they even hit the streets. What happened to the good old days when they had cheesecake..I had the bionic I don't know if you guys remember the whole story with the bionic but we had we had cheesecake for it for over a year before before they finally released what 4.0 or something like that. But I think they skipped ice cream and went straight to jelly bean ( os's ) because Verizon couldn't pull their heads out of their butt in and approve the final version of the os...but Motorola was writing a new one every day and since we had cheesecake and we would take it every single night we would have a new rom just about every morning. We were overclocking our phones.. they were cracked flashing ROMs. These phones were fun I miss those days of samurai and living chaos all those guys there's a different form once you guys probably don't even know about I probably shouldn't say the name of here but it was we had them we had a thread it was probably the busiest thread on all the internet in regards to phones and it was pretty much run by a guy named samurai and he had designed some tool ( House of bionic ? ) to help you root your phone and put these new ROMs in it. Anyways the thread went sideways after a while to say the least but drama was fun and it was over these phones we all lived for these phones now it is these phones are Just junk they don't even work anymore and no one cares no one cares they justice deal with it to do a work around where to work around barely work too I'm not going to do a workaround anything either. The fingerprint scanner should just work and it doesn't.. It's so frustrating. Why did Google even send this phone out to the wild...is ridiculous they should have had the fingerprint scanner running first thing. That should have been the first priority but it's not and then they send it out to the wild with a broken feature like that ? Just seems to me like they're cutting their own throat by doing that back in the day Google would have cared today they don't care. Just get it out there start selling it make money lie to the people. . It's a crying shame what this whole community has turned into and not I'm not speaking about us I'm speaking about the equipment they're forcing us to use. We choices do we have anymore we really don't whatever happens to that phone Google is going to make where you can buy your bits and pieces and put together yourself whatever happened to that that was a good idea. It was probably too good of an idea.. but doing that that way they probably would not make amy money. The bits of pieces we provide will probably be too good in the last forever .I'm going to rant again. I'm going to stop sorry guys. Just just how I feel about things now. I'm just so very very disappointed in this phone to say the very least very disappointed..
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Wow, I'm glad I stick with my OnePlus 8 Pro.

Gytole said:
Bro... Samurai? You talking the Droidrzr forum that I WAS A PART OF? Dude...that was like 10 years ago...let it die...the thing is they were INNOVATIVE back then, they were creating new things that have never been tried before, and pumping out things that "could" work. We are now at the point where we just want a good screen, long lasting battery and a great camera. All of which the Pixel 6 Pro do NOT do
As the owner of the pixel 6 pro, from a LAUNCH DAY T-Mobile oneplus 6T, I am not going to lie. The 6T was faster after 3 years. I just couldn't stand the camera anymore. But my SERVICE on that phone was great. And the battery life I would squeeze 10+ hours SOT like I do basically every phone that I have anymore.
For overclocking, you realize we're pushing over 2GHZ right? Overclockimg back theb was taking an 800mhz chip and pushing it to 1Ghz. That was MONUMENTAL for such a small chip back then. But you need to google a few things before you rage over some abilities. The CPUS back then were 45+nm small!!. That's effing TINY compared to a human hair of 80,000nm! But we are at 5nm in THIS phone. That's 9 times smaller. There's only so much heat you can push through a chip, but we're also running wayyyy more complex screens, GPU's, GPS, bluetooth, everything. It's all done on one tiny chip. So there's going to be some give and take.
As for the fingerprint scanner, you gotta put the same finger in the phone at least twice and move it around, slight movements alllll around the finger and you will have a perfect scanner. Mine only fails if it is laying on the table and I try to unlock it without picking it up. But in hand? Every. Time. It works. Also? Wash your hands.
And for 5G? Fam...I get wicked stupid fast speed...the problem is if you are in an area that is congested...which it totally sounds like you are, your speeds are going to be horrific. Terrible radio aside, this is just the gamble you're in and you're losing. I recommend just switching it to 4G anyways since battery life increases by a literal hour or two just by that move andddd 4G travels further.
And did you mean "Cupcake"? Wth is cheesecake? I have been with android since Froyo, and don't remember cheesecake I could be wrong.
But my thing is reality vs. expectations piss even ME off at times, and usually it's like,"Okay...my bad...I figured for $1200 this phone would be great."
My biggest disappointment? The 50MP sensor. It's just 12mp. Just like everyyyyy other pixel. My 3a XL takes better pictures than the 6 pro. Fight me. It does. But I gave it to my mom. Are the 6 pro pictures bad? Not really. But it's not as capable as they touted it to be. And considering MY PHONE overheats anytime I try to use it really blows. But because my phone decided to crack itself in the heat one day google wants me to pay for the screen to fix their hardware BS which I refuse for the 4th time.
And Samsungs are not plastic anymore my dude...you need to get in your time machine...my girlfriend's S21 Ultra is wayyyyyy more premium feeling compared to my 6 Pro hand in hand. A better phone all around. It is faster, charges faster, takes better pictures, wayyy better video, last longer SOT, doesn't EVER get hot, charges STUPID. QUICK. He phone was at 20% and she has it capped st 85 for longevity but we started using the "fast charge" with my Easeus 100 watt cables and charger? Bro...her phone charges in 20 minutes. If that. We were BLOWN. AWAY. and it DOES NOT GET HOT. So I recommend trying then again and not letting past experiences from 7+ years ago fool you...
But yes, you're correct in some ways, they went backwards with "quality of feel" but you did get what you paid for...a phone that is overpowered with a slightly underpowered chip. But without proper thermal handover, an "overclock" would just throttle and ruin the experience more...
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Gytole said:
Bro... Samurai? You talking the Droidrzr forum that I WAS A PART OF? Dude...that was like 10 years ago...let it die...the thing is they were INNOVATIVE back then, they were creating new things that have never been tried before, and pumping out things that "could" work. We are now at the point where we just want a good screen, long lasting battery and a great camera. All of which the Pixel 6 Pro do NOT do
As the owner of the pixel 6 pro, from a LAUNCH DAY T-Mobile oneplus 6T, I am not going to lie. The 6T was faster after 3 years. I just couldn't stand the camera anymore. But my SERVICE on that phone was great. And the battery life I would squeeze 10+ hours SOT like I do basically every phone that I have anymore.
For overclocking, you realize we're pushing over 2GHZ right? Overclockimg back theb was taking an 800mhz chip and pushing it to 1Ghz. That was MONUMENTAL for such a small chip back then. But you need to google a few things before you rage over some abilities. The CPUS back then were 45+nm small!!. That's effing TINY compared to a human hair of 80,000nm! But we are at 5nm in THIS phone. That's 9 times smaller. There's only so much heat you can push through a chip, but we're also running wayyyy more complex screens, GPU's, GPS, bluetooth, everything. It's all done on one tiny chip. So there's going to be some give and take.
As for the fingerprint scanner, you gotta put the same finger in the phone at least twice and move it around, slight movements alllll around the finger and you will have a perfect scanner. Mine only fails if it is laying on the table and I try to unlock it without picking it up. But in hand? Every. Time. It works. Also? Wash your hands.
And for 5G? Fam...I get wicked stupid fast speed...the problem is if you are in an area that is congested...which it totally sounds like you are, your speeds are going to be horrific. Terrible radio aside, this is just the gamble you're in and you're losing. I recommend just switching it to 4G anyways since battery life increases by a literal hour or two just by that move andddd 4G travels further.
And did you mean "Cupcake"? Wth is cheesecake? I have been with android since Froyo, and don't remember cheesecake I could be wrong.
But my thing is reality vs. expectations piss even ME off at times, and usually it's like,"Okay...my bad...I figured for $1200 this phone would be great."
My biggest disappointment? The 50MP sensor. It's just 12mp. Just like everyyyyy other pixel. My 3a XL takes better pictures than the 6 pro. Fight me. It does. But I gave it to my mom. Are the 6 pro pictures bad? Not really. But it's not as capable as they touted it to be. And considering MY PHONE overheats anytime I try to use it really blows. But because my phone decided to crack itself in the heat one day google wants me to pay for the screen to fix their hardware BS which I refuse for the 4th time.
And Samsungs are not plastic anymore my dude...you need to get in your time machine...my girlfriend's S21 Ultra is wayyyyyy more premium feeling compared to my 6 Pro hand in hand. A better phone all around. It is faster, charges faster, takes better pictures, wayyy better video, last longer SOT, doesn't EVER get hot, charges STUPID. QUICK. He phone was at 20% and she has it capped st 85 for longevity but we started using the "fast charge" with my Easeus 100 watt cables and charger? Bro...her phone charges in 20 minutes. If that. We were BLOWN. AWAY. and it DOES NOT GET HOT. So I recommend trying then again and not letting past experiences from 7+ years ago fool you...
But yes, you're correct in some ways, they went backwards with "quality of feel" but you did get what you paid for...a phone that is overpowered with a slightly underpowered chip. But without proper thermal handover, an "overclock" would just throttle and ruin the experience more...
Sorry fam.
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Cheesecake was a tool they used to go after the Motorola servers to pull down the latest ROM every night. Motorola was rewriting the ROM for Verizon every single day and they used cheesecake to pull those rewritten ROMs off of the Motorola servers that were used to send it out to the wild on thier test phones. Something like that. That's how we had it. If you were part of it you would have remembered that. It ended on Droid razr.com. It all
started on the droidforms.net and it went to Razrforums afterwards after we got kicked off Droid forums. I was talking about the overclocking only because it was something we were doing then I'm not saying we need to do it now. My whole point about bringing up those times was because it was so much fun. Everyday was something new and the drama and then The politics of it. We had daily reports from livingchaos who had like an insider inside Motorola of it was just it was all fun. I don't know how much a part of it you were, but I was right in the middle of it. I was one of reasons it all got switched from one form to the next. I had a fight with a guy named foxcat He was a moderator on Droid forms. He said something to me. Samurai thought he said it to him and it all blew up. The next day, the whole thing that moved to Droid razr forms. Anyhow, sorry if I perturbed anybody with my rant. My my ill written rant next time I just won't..

Welcome to the 36% (https://tradingplatforms.com/blog/2...s-with-36-planning-to-switch-to-other-brands/)
I made it 4 months between January and May before I got fed up and gave my phone away. I went back to my pixel 3 xl. Just like you and I'm currectly in the market for a non-pixel phone. They have completely ruined the brand for me.
My previous phone was the nexus 6 and I still have it. I turned it on a week ago and it is so buttery smooth compared to even my pixel 3 with whatever ROM I put on it. If it wasn't for the old battery and camera I would love to switch back. It has Android 11 on it thanks to the modding community. It might support later versions but I haven't tinkered with it much lately. I'm getting off track.
I say I'm going to leave the brand but it is tough. It's all the small things that you get from Google that I'm afraid I'm going to miss. The notification of what song is playing, call screening, and call hold are all features I use regularly.
I've ordered a new phone and I'm going to test the waters. See what it is like outside of the Google ecosystem. I'm afraid but what choice has Google given me. I either try an alternatives or get stuck with an aging phone.

icanrule said:
My previous phone was the nexus 6 and I still have it. I turned it on a week ago and it is so buttery smooth compared to even my pixel 3 with whatever ROM I put on it. If it wasn't for the old battery and camera I would love to switch back. It has Android 11 on it thanks to the modding community. It might support later versions but I haven't tinkered with it much lately. I'm getting off track.
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Android 12 works well on the Nexus 6, but anything close to that recent is pretty slow on it. Battery is not hard to swap on it since unlike newer phones where you have to probably destroy the display to open up, you can just peel the back cover off of it.

icanrule said:
Welcome to the 36% (https://tradingplatforms.com/blog/2...s-with-36-planning-to-switch-to-other-brands/)
I made it 4 months between January and May before I got fed up and gave my phone away. I went back to my pixel 3 xl. Just like you and I'm currectly in the market for a non-pixel phone. They have completely ruined the brand for me.
My previous phone was the nexus 6 and I still have it. I turned it on a week ago and it is so buttery smooth compared to even my pixel 3 with whatever ROM I put on it. If it wasn't for the old battery and camera I would love to switch back. It has Android 11 on it thanks to the modding community. It might support later versions but I haven't tinkered with it much lately. I'm getting off track.
I say I'm going to leave the brand but it is tough. It's all the small things that you get from Google that I'm afraid I'm going to miss. The notification of what song is playing, call screening, and call hold are all features I use regularly.
I've ordered a new phone and I'm going to test the waters. See what it is like outside of the Google ecosystem. I'm afraid but what choice has Google given me. I either try an alternatives or get stuck with an aging phone.
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Hey I had the Nexus 6 too and loved that phone. It's been downhill since. Goodluck on your venture. I hope you find a phone that suits your needs. If you do come back here and tell us about it. I'm nearly desperate at this point....goodluck !!!

icanrule said:
Welcome to the 36% (https://tradingplatforms.com/blog/2...s-with-36-planning-to-switch-to-other-brands/)
I made it 4 months between January and May before I got fed up and gave my phone away. I went back to my pixel 3 xl. Just like you and I'm currectly in the market for a non-pixel phone. They have completely ruined the brand for me.
My previous phone was the nexus 6 and I still have it. I turned it on a week ago and it is so buttery smooth compared to even my pixel 3 with whatever ROM I put on it. If it wasn't for the old battery and camera I would love to switch back. It has Android 11 on it thanks to the modding community. It might support later versions but I haven't tinkered with it much lately. I'm getting off track.
I say I'm going to leave the brand but it is tough. It's all the small things that you get from Google that I'm afraid I'm going to miss. The notification of what song is playing, call screening, and call hold are all features I use regularly.
I've ordered a new phone and I'm going to test the waters. See what it is like outside of the Google ecosystem. I'm afraid but what choice has Google given me. I either try an alternatives or get stuck with an aging phone.
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When I had my Nexus 6, (Sitting in the drawer next to me), the last phone I could easily root and modify, a co-worker seeing it told me my phone was like a Muscle Car, and she was right. It was.